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I'd pick Gleeson first every time.
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And you are entitled to your opinion. But any hurling man worth his salt or with a knowledge of the game wouldnt. I limited my self to 5 but i could do my home work and give you 10 players this summer who have been better players more effective players made better team contributions than Austin and well be mentioned in 20 years time long ahead of austin. And reality is i hope austin or any of this family see this post. He is a gifted young man like countless others around the country and here he is on a forum being brought down to earth cause people like me and countless others in this forum can see week in week out that he isnt the Great you think he is. We see the huge room for improvement infront of him. I dont like saying these things about any young fella who is sacraficing so much of his life for the game he loves. But just like Aidan Walsh if him and his attitude and his awareness and his need for the lime light dont change you your self wont remember him in 10 years time. Best part about great players. ATTITUDE
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Replying To Laois76: "Ok Clondalkin i'm going to stick my head out here and make a prediction about Austin in the final. I'd be confident he'll play.
He'll do something rash that might lead to him being sent off or he'll stay on the pitch but the offence will be a sending off one. Due to demoralisation at not being in the game. He'll shout a 3 mad shots from 110 yds and he'll score with one. It'll be a tight game and i don't know who'll win. Remind me after the All Ireland if he delivers a complete team performance in the final.
You do realise if Ozzie started dribbling in with the ball through Noel Hickey, Jackie Tyrrell and JJ Delaney he would have been upended on the 21. Also the boys would have taken a chance on giving away a penalty as they gave away 2 in the drawn match against Tipp in 2014 and just gave away 2pts. Even before Sunday's game there were question marks over the Cork full back line going back to 2013. Also their full back Cahalane, who being a chip off the old block, probably would have taken Ozzie down before scoring the wonder goal. As posters pointed out Daren Gleeson of Tipp showed how you sniff out a goal chance at source against Galway when he upended Conor Cooney outside the box." Perfect post. I tried saying it a few different ways but that hit the nail on the head. We will let the All Ireland give the answers
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Replying To GaaGaa78: " Replying To KK1926: "[quote=clondalkindub: "[quote=ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." I'd pick Gleeson first every time."
It's pretty daft though, picking a loose canon hurler over fellas who'll do the right thing 9 times out of 10.
Think this thread should be renamed from 'Austin Gleeson Potentially the Greatest' to 'I Love Austin Gleeson' as the boy can do no wrong in your eyes."]"Well you're entitled to your opinion". Followed by "it's pretty daft though".
Should everyone's opinions be the same then?"]He made his opinion. He's entitled to make it. I have an opinion on his opinion. I'm entitled to form that opinion. My opinion is his opinion on choosing Austin Gleeson over Shefflin etc is daft. What exact problem do you have with that?
It's not as if daft is an inflammatory word or something. If Clondalkin thinks my opinion is daft that's perfectly fine. Are we not allowed to express an opinion on someone's opinion?
Have you ever thought someone's opinion was daft? Well why pussy foot around, say it if you're debating a point. Clondalkin hasn't ran home crying i'm sure because KK1926 felt he held a daft opinion.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 17:33:35
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Replying To ritchie: "Perfect post. I tried saying it a few different ways but that hit the nail on the head. We will let the All Ireland give the answers" It's hard to express what you want to say Richie as a wrong word may mean your post won't be allowed through.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 17:36:21
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Replying To ritchie: "Perfect post. I tried saying it a few different ways but that hit the nail on the head. We will let the All Ireland give the answers" Thanks Richie. It can be hard to sum up without going over the top. The same would apply to running into the Rock, Wayne Sherlock etc.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 15/08/2017 17:38:07
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Replying To KK1926: "I'd pick Gleeson first every time." Well you're entitled to your opinion.
It's pretty daft though, picking a loose canon hurler over fellas who'll do the right thing 9 times out of 10.
Think this thread should be renamed from 'Austin Gleeson Potentially the Greatest' to 'I Love Austin Gleeson' as the boy can do no wrong in your eyes."]"Well you're entitled to your opinion". Followed by "it's pretty daft though".
Should everyone's opinions be the same then?"]He made his opinion. He's entitled to make it. I have an opinion on his opinion. I'm entitled to form that opinion. My opinion is his opinion on choosing Austin Gleeson over Shefflin etc is daft. What exact problem do you have with that?
It's not as if daft is an inflammatory word or something. If Clondalkin thinks my opinion is daft that's perfectly fine. Are we not allowed to express an opinion on someone's opinion?
Have you ever thought someone's opinion was daft? Well why pussy foot around, say it if you're debating a point. Clondalkin hasn't ran home crying i'm sure because KK1926 felt he held a daft opinion."]Hilarious!!
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 15/08/2017 17:40:29
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When the pressure was on Waterford in the second half of Waterford /KK replay last year Gleeson wasnt in it
mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 533 - 15/08/2017 17:41:36
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Replying To ritchie: "I'd pick Gleeson first every time.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8712 - 15/08/2017 16:14:51 2033708
And you are entitled to your opinion. But any hurling man worth his salt or with a knowledge of the game wouldnt. I limited my self to 5 but i could do my home work and give you 10 players this summer who have been better players more effective players made better team contributions than Austin and well be mentioned in 20 years time long ahead of austin. And reality is i hope austin or any of this family see this post. He is a gifted young man like countless others around the country and here he is on a forum being brought down to earth cause people like me and countless others in this forum can see week in week out that he isnt the Great you think he is. We see the huge room for improvement infront of him. I dont like saying these things about any young fella who is sacraficing so much of his life for the game he loves. But just like Aidan Walsh if him and his attitude and his awareness and his need for the lime light dont change you your self wont remember him in 10 years time. Best part about great players. ATTITUDE" It is unfortunate to have so many having to point out the obvious to someone regarding a young fella who gives his heart and soul and loves the game passionately and playing for his county.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 15/08/2017 17:43:15
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Replying To GaaGaa78: " Replying To KK1926: "[quote=clondalkindub: "[quote=ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." I'd pick Gleeson first every time."
It's pretty daft though, picking a loose canon hurler over fellas who'll do the right thing 9 times out of 10.
Think this thread should be renamed from 'Austin Gleeson Potentially the Greatest' to 'I Love Austin Gleeson' as the boy can do no wrong in your eyes."]"Well you're entitled to your opinion". Followed by "it's pretty daft though".
Should everyone's opinions be the same then?"]No, everyone can have an opinion and are entitled to express it. Austin's brother just doesn't like it though.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 15/08/2017 17:53:48
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Replying To tiobraid: "You're a gas man. People obviously falling for your wind up post!
I assume you're a comedian or a blind man!" No way Tiobraid, he really believes it! Much too much passion about the opinion.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 17:55:18
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Agree with the sentiments surrounding Gleesons temperament at the moment. I would question Derek Mcgraths management of the kid. He seems to indulge Gleesons penchant for the Hail Mary shots...as do the Clare management with Tony Kelly's Hail Mary efforts. Neither Gleeson nor Kelly can be considered great until they cut out their shockingly indulgent shots. Kilkenny of the 00s deplored wides..couldnt stand them. The two boys could take note.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 15/08/2017 18:33:06
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Replying To clondalkindub: " Replying To ritchie: "Im really not getting this. YES he was player of the year LAST YEAR. So this tread is about greatness isnt it. So here are the facts. Subbed in the cork game in MSSF as was completely out of the game. Only came into the game on sunday when Cahalane was sent off. Made a complete meal for the first Yellow for cahalane and realistically shouldnt have been on the field him self. So what makes him great or even suggests he will be great. How do you define greatness. He has a great skill set and if i wanted a player to go into a free style competition then he would possibly be my pick. But this is a game of hurling. Its a team sport. And reality is for a team sport he is poor. He didnt contribute to waterford in any meaningful way on sunday till the last 10 mins. He has shocking shot selection missing more than he scores. He goes for glory and ingnores a player in a better position than him self. Is petulant and not blessed with great vision and awareness. So what makes him great. In my opinion AS A TEAM PLAYER he is average at best. Great players perform consistently. Brian Corcoran/Brian Whealan/ Joe Deane/Ken Mc Grath. They perform as a team. Look at Canning in the Leinster Final. Poor game by his standards yet got through mountains of work and set up scores. The commentators said it them selves 20 mins in to the game the last day Gleeson hadnt pucked a ball. And great players make the correct decision 90% of the time. Sheflin/ Carey / Walsh.
So to close this out ask your self this question. You can pick any of these five players all in their prime for an all ireland final which would you pick.
Sheflin
Tommy Walsh
Ken MC Grath
Bonner Maher
Austin Gleeson.
Reality is Gleeson would be your fifth pick not your first. Instead of worrying about his greatness maybe Gleeson would be better concentrating on cementing down a place on this team. The reason he is so versatile is he isnt Vital in any position. And the reason he isnt great is that he isnt even the greatest player in the current Waterford team." I'd pick Gleeson first every time."
Did you see the performance shefflin gave in the 2012 final. One of his finest performances imo. Id loved to have seen tommy mark gleeson.
fireinthebelly (Galway) - Posts: 89 - 15/08/2017 18:41:15
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Let's be honest, he isn't even in the top 5 or possibly even 10 for this year alone.
At the moment his own county men are out shining him, Moran, Barron, de burca.
Honestly he's had a poor year, yes absolutely scored a wonder goal on Sunday one of the best I've seen but didn't have a good game up until then.
There's a huge difference between those that have great moments that are remembered and those that are true greats of the game. Long long way to go to be even the greatest Waterford has produced in my eyes.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 15/08/2017 19:02:33
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Jaime Barron, Kevin Moran, fives..all better more consistent performers than Austin Gleeson. I think a Brian Cody type manager would suit Gleeson. Someone that would whip him off for 2 bad wides in a row or some stupid decision.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 15/08/2017 19:04:58
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Austin Gleeson is so good even the CCCC want to see him play in the final haha
Posters still believe the Connolly incident wasn't a witch hunt?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 15/08/2017 19:21:01
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Replying To bloodyban: "Agree with the sentiments surrounding Gleesons temperament at the moment. I would question Derek Mcgraths management of the kid. He seems to indulge Gleesons penchant for the Hail Mary shots...as do the Clare management with Tony Kelly's Hail Mary efforts. Neither Gleeson nor Kelly can be considered great until they cut out their shockingly indulgent shots. Kilkenny of the 00s deplored wides..couldnt stand them. The two boys could take note." Good post.
Nature abhors a vacuum and Kilkenny in the noughties abhorred wides.
Austin Gleeson and Tony Kelly hit more wides on their own every match than the whole Kilkenny team did against Waterford in 2008.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 20:44:46
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Austin Gleeson is so good even the CCCC want to see him play in the final haha
Posters still believe the Connolly incident wasn't a witch hunt?" Ha ha ha!
Waterford would be safer in the final playing Austin Powers.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 20:49:15
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Great article from the brilliant Eamonn Sweeney on Austin Gleeson. Worth a read.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-austin-gleeson-is-the-good-bad-and-ugly-that-embodies-waterford-36028661.html#comments
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Replying To KK1926: "Ha ha ha!
Waterford would be safer in the final playing Austin Powers." And they surely have an Austin Powers who plays hurling. Great Waterford surname.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 15/08/2017 20:54:03
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Cork 2003-2008 were a very tidy team also. A sophisticated team who always beat Waterford when it really mattered as they looked after possession so well.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 15/08/2017 20:57:02
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