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Austin Gleeson Potentially the Greatest

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Potential is the key word here to be fair to the lad is still only 21

Two things I'd say in 20 years watching hurling he has as much natural talent as anyone I've seen and never seen anyone as effective in so many positions

If he fulfils his potential I think he could be 1 of the greats

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 21/08/2016 22:57:11    1904220

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I've seen great teams great players great forwards great backs but I've never seen anything like Austin Gleeson for me we are potentially looking at the greatest hurler of all time. Put him anywhere on the field he will Run amok , posters said "let's see how he does against Cats" will he destroyed them in both games so much so Cody had to tell the keeper to stop pucking the ball in Glesson's direction, for me at only 21 I can't think of a better hurler and I think we are looking at the greatest hurler that ever played the game."
I still stand over this post , what a player he is. Henry said last night he's the greatest dribbler he's ever seen the kid has it all.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/08/2017 10:55:21    2033121

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I can't believe that someone has actually suggested that Austin Gleeson is the greatest....this is laughable.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 14/08/2017 11:05:39    2033127

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Replying To rebeltrev:  "I can't believe that someone has actually suggested that Austin Gleeson is the greatest....this is laughable."
"Potentially"

Why is it so laughable?

I've never seen anyone this young this good who could play anywhere on the field.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/08/2017 11:20:24    2033140

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Potentially yes. Realistically will he be? No.
Still young but hasn't learnt to improve on his mistakes which are evident in every single game he plays. Mixes the good with the bad in seconds never mind within a game.
There's no question his shooting is aimless. He was blocked yesterday hitting a Hail Mary over the shoulder effort when their were two players in better positions and cork were the only defence he would've scored that goals against yesterday.worked out great but silly now to pass the ball
He has all the attributes to be one of the greats though having said all that

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/08/2017 11:25:33    2033142

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Is this one of those post a fella throws up when they come home from the pub. Best player of all time he isnt even the best player on the waterford team this year. Was fairly quiet both days against cork and only played the last 15 mins yesterday when we lost a player and space opened up. He is no where near the level he was last year and im not sure as it stands he will get an all star this year he would have needed a massive AI final and after his ridiculous action yesterday he wont be playing. So greatest of all time "its a no for me" Barron alone has been a significantly better player this season and Gleeson is a player in decline.

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 14/08/2017 11:38:35    2033148

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Potentially yes. Realistically will he be? No.
Still young but hasn't learnt to improve on his mistakes which are evident in every single game he plays. Mixes the good with the bad in seconds never mind within a game.
There's no question his shooting is aimless. He was blocked yesterday hitting a Hail Mary over the shoulder effort when their were two players in better positions and cork were the only defence he would've scored that goals against yesterday.worked out great but silly now to pass the ball
He has all the attributes to be one of the greats though having said all that"
Every player that hits a wide is aimless, the two points he got from ridiculous angles from way out on the wing that if he missed everyone would be saying that's aimless but there's no such thing with this kid cause he can pretty much score from anywhere beyond his teams 45. Every game this kid does something unbelievable that other players dream of doing , even when he was poor against Cork in Thurles the chip up and turn for a point was different class, his goal yesterday my god , Skill Speed power it had the lot.

I have seen all the greats the last 20 years and none of them were this good this young as Gleeson is. I've no agenda I've no Waterford blood , this is a special talent people.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/08/2017 12:05:47    2033169

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Every player that hits a wide is aimless, the two points he got from ridiculous angles from way out on the wing that if he missed everyone would be saying that's aimless but there's no such thing with this kid cause he can pretty much score from anywhere beyond his teams 45. Every game this kid does something unbelievable that other players dream of doing , even when he was poor against Cork in Thurles the chip up and turn for a point was different class, his goal yesterday my god , Skill Speed power it had the lot.

I have seen all the greats the last 20 years and none of them were this good this young as Gleeson is. I've no agenda I've no Waterford blood , this is a special talent people."
Joe Canning was as good at 19 in 2008 when he almost single handedly beat Cork in an All Ireland quarter final.

Brian Whelehan played minor and senior on the same day in 1989.

It's great to be so good at a young age but aplayer has to develop and sustain it through a long career.

It would be begrudging and childish to suggest Austin Gleeson isn't as good a talent as there has been at his age though... better than the rest? Not for me, kinks in his game he isn't ironing out.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 14/08/2017 12:26:08    2033190

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Every player that hits a wide is aimless, the two points he got from ridiculous angles from way out on the wing that if he missed everyone would be saying that's aimless but there's no such thing with this kid cause he can pretty much score from anywhere beyond his teams 45. Every game this kid does something unbelievable that other players dream of doing , even when he was poor against Cork in Thurles the chip up and turn for a point was different class, his goal yesterday my god , Skill Speed power it had the lot.

I have seen all the greats the last 20 years and none of them were this good this young as Gleeson is. I've no agenda I've no Waterford blood , this is a special talent people."
Great talent yes. Great player, not yet.

Should have played Brick Walsh in for a simple goal. His elaboration was brilliant but it left a lot of scope for the move to break down.

He's a little self indulgent. Silly shot selection. Puts himself ahead of the team. Discipline an issue since he emerged. Could have cost his team a place in the All ireland final with his helmet pull. Despite all the talk on this issue and Waterford losing De Burca he has a Dougal Maguire 'don't push the red button' moment. Couldn't see Shefflin, Canning, Whelehan etc doing similar.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 14/08/2017 13:15:06    2033216

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Replying To Laois76:  "Great talent yes. Great player, not yet.

Should have played Brick Walsh in for a simple goal. His elaboration was brilliant but it left a lot of scope for the move to break down.

He's a little self indulgent. Silly shot selection. Puts himself ahead of the team. Discipline an issue since he emerged. Could have cost his team a place in the All ireland final with his helmet pull. Despite all the talk on this issue and Waterford losing De Burca he has a Dougal Maguire 'don't push the red button' moment. Couldn't see Shefflin, Canning, Whelehan etc doing similar."
I've seen Henry Burst fella's open and only last week most posters on here said Joe should of been sent off in the Tipp game.

He scores one of the great goals yet he should of passed ? See this is what posters don't get he's so much ability he doesn't need to pass in certain situations just like yesterday, and then what a pass for Waterford's 2nd goal, he is a great player that could be Potentially the Greatest.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/08/2017 13:29:40    2033229

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I've seen Henry Burst fella's open and only last week most posters on here said Joe should of been sent off in the Tipp game.

He scores one of the great goals yet he should of passed ? See this is what posters don't get he's so much ability he doesn't need to pass in certain situations just like yesterday, and then what a pass for Waterford's 2nd goal, he is a great player that could be Potentially the Greatest."
Henry 'burst fellas open'??!

If you 'burst a fella open' in a clever way going for the ball i'd rather have that player than a fella who grips a helmet after all the recent comment and suspension.

That's rubbish about having so much talent you don't pass. He was in traffic and if hauled down it was a penalty. 60% of which are converted. The percentage play was to give it to Brick. Fabulous goal but it summed up the best and worst in him. Just because he scored doesn't make his decision making correst.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 14/08/2017 13:40:11    2033231

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "I've seen Henry Burst fella's open and only last week most posters on here said Joe should of been sent off in the Tipp game.

He scores one of the great goals yet he should of passed ? See this is what posters don't get he's so much ability he doesn't need to pass in certain situations just like yesterday, and then what a pass for Waterford's 2nd goal, he is a great player that could be Potentially the Greatest."
Very good pass but one at least 50% of inter county hurlers would make.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 14/08/2017 13:43:19    2033233

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I know nothing about hurling or the guy in question. However, canonising somebody too soon is unfair. I always remember the lesson in perspective I got a few years ago, from a Kerry fan, during Donaghy's first year. Remember, he lit up the championship, destroyed every defence he met, and was instrumental in Kerry's AI win. I thought he was astoundingly good, and said as much to a Kerry fan. Who paused, frowned, and said, 'ah, give him a few years to see how he goes and if he achieves anything'. In Kerry, no man is judged by one year, whether you win the all ireland or not, and perhaps similar restraint is called for here.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 14/08/2017 14:12:46    2033266

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Don't mistake talent for greatness.

He's extremely talented but he's too self-indulgent. A "glory-hunter" in playground parlance. His goal was brilliant to watch but the fact that he refused to pass to a wide open player and chose to take on 2 or 3 defenders on his own is testament to his self-indulgent streak. Great when it comes off, but it won't always. What made Shefflin great wasn't necessarily raw talent but his decision-making; always making the correct decision for the benefit of his team. Passing the ball when a teammate was in a better position. Eschewing the glory of going for goal with a last-minute penalty in an All-Ireland final, but instead going for the "boring" option of a point to put his team ahead.

Also, petulant. Ripping off Luke Meade's faceguard for absolutely no reason. He may get suspended, he may not, but the incident will doubtless create a circus for the next 3 weeks which will distract from his, his manager's and his team's preparation for the All-Ireland final. He could be facing into 3 weeks of suspensions, appeals, counter-appeals, video evidence, testimonies, you name it. Even if he's cleared, the whole process could leave him, McGrath and the team mentally exhausted. And for what? So he could have a little "ha-ha, got your helmet" moment at an opponent? Not the actions of a great player.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 14/08/2017 14:17:36    2033269

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Don't mistake talent for greatness.

He's extremely talented but he's too self-indulgent. A "glory-hunter" in playground parlance. His goal was brilliant to watch but the fact that he refused to pass to a wide open player and chose to take on 2 or 3 defenders on his own is testament to his self-indulgent streak. Great when it comes off, but it won't always. What made Shefflin great wasn't necessarily raw talent but his decision-making; always making the correct decision for the benefit of his team. Passing the ball when a teammate was in a better position. Eschewing the glory of going for goal with a last-minute penalty in an All-Ireland final, but instead going for the "boring" option of a point to put his team ahead.

Also, petulant. Ripping off Luke Meade's faceguard for absolutely no reason. He may get suspended, he may not, but the incident will doubtless create a circus for the next 3 weeks which will distract from his, his manager's and his team's preparation for the All-Ireland final. He could be facing into 3 weeks of suspensions, appeals, counter-appeals, video evidence, testimonies, you name it. Even if he's cleared, the whole process could leave him, McGrath and the team mentally exhausted. And for what? So he could have a little "ha-ha, got your helmet" moment at an opponent? Not the actions of a great player."
Accurate post in fairness. How many times did KK score goals where in that instance the ball would be handed off? Almost every game at their peak. Tipp have done the same regularly recently. Ok Waterford are in the final this year but Gleeson needs to use the ball properly and cut out the silly stuff. He was out of the game for most of it yesterday yet tried a ridiculous flick over a player instead of using possession.
Theres has been very few players like him with his ability but he isn't learning from his mistakes. McGrath needs to take responsibility for that. You don't have to take away some of his off the cuff type play to make him a better player either.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/08/2017 15:04:06    2033294

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Replying To KK1926:  "Henry 'burst fellas open'??!

If you 'burst a fella open' in a clever way going for the ball i'd rather have that player than a fella who grips a helmet after all the recent comment and suspension.

That's rubbish about having so much talent you don't pass. He was in traffic and if hauled down it was a penalty. 60% of which are converted. The percentage play was to give it to Brick. Fabulous goal but it summed up the best and worst in him. Just because he scored doesn't make his decision making correst."
It's only the wrong option if he misses he didn't miss , O Gara was through against Donegal in '14 he went for the unselfish pass to Brogan he messed it up he should of been selfish and went for it himself, now was he still right to pass?

Posters are nit picking here about Austin , the man is a freak and you should just enjoy what he does cause he does it better than most.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 14/08/2017 15:15:46    2033298

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Accurate post in fairness. How many times did KK score goals where in that instance the ball would be handed off? Almost every game at their peak. Tipp have done the same regularly recently. Ok Waterford are in the final this year but Gleeson needs to use the ball properly and cut out the silly stuff. He was out of the game for most of it yesterday yet tried a ridiculous flick over a player instead of using possession.
Theres has been very few players like him with his ability but he isn't learning from his mistakes. McGrath needs to take responsibility for that. You don't have to take away some of his off the cuff type play to make him a better player either."
Well said Tiobraid.

Do you know 2 great young players equally as effective as Gleeson and 2 yrs younger?

John McGrath Tipp. What an intelligent player with great skill.

Conor Whelan Galway. Great team player.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 14/08/2017 15:23:45    2033303

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Sorry John McGrath Tipp!!! Just shows how under rated, i messed up his name!

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 14/08/2017 15:25:24    2033305

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Replying To clondalkindub:  ""Potentially"

Why is it so laughable?

I've never seen anyone this young this good who could play anywhere on the field."
Taken off in two big matches last summer and 2017, if the Cork number seven had to hold his ground yesterday he might not have scoring the goal inexpierence I say by him.

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 306 - 14/08/2017 17:10:25    2033363

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He looks the real deal all right.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 14/08/2017 17:56:28    2033388

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