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U17 Hurling Celtic Challenge Rnd 1

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Celtic Challenge Cup Hurling Group A Carlow 0-12 3-11 South Tipperary RESULT South Kilkenny 5-18 0-02 Waterford City RESULT Celtic Challenge Cup Hurling Group B North Wexford 1-10 0-16 Kildare RESULT Laois 3-19 1-03 Wicklow RESULT Celtic Challenge Cup Hurling Group C Westmeath 2-08 1-14 Offaly RESULT Dublin Clarke 2-19 2-09 Dublin Plunkett RESULT Celtic Challenge Cup Hurling Group D Limerick City 0-06 2-14 Kerry RESULT West Limerick 0-08 2-21 Cork City RESULT Celtic Challenge Cup Hurling Group E South/East Clare 5-21 0-09 Mayo, 7.30pm Roscommon 1-06 4-13 North Galway RESULT Galway City/West 3-12 3-11 North Clare RESULT Celtic Challenge Cup Hurling Group F Louth 1-09 1-05 Monaghan RESULT Sligo 6-11 1-09 Cavan RESULT Longford 1-09 3-08 Leitrim RESULT

keeper7 (Longford) - 05/05/2016 13:30:36    1852291

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good man keeper! From a parochial perspective, did antrim not play?

bumpernut (Antrim) - 05/05/2016 15:15:37    1852341

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I think the Ulster group (G) has already been played earlier in the year, due to exams .

lasttoknow (Tyrone) - 05/05/2016 15:25:49    1852352

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I was under the impression that in the stronger counties this competition was for players mainly from junior and intermediate clubs. However I see South Kilkenny had a number of Ballyhale lads playing (including a Shefflin which is ominous!) and gave Waterford City a heavy beating. The competition is a fine idea as long as everyone approaches it with the right attitude, which is to strengthen the game across the country.

Soma (UK) - 05/05/2016 15:30:11    1852357

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lasttoknow, Yeah I think I saw someone post that previously, I think antrim won it. Do the winners in each group not progress to knockout stages?

bumpernut (Antrim) - 06/05/2016 10:10:18    1852486

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lasttoknow, Yeah I think I saw someone post that previously, I think antrim won it. Do the winners in each group not progress to knockout stages? bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1201 - 06/05/2016 10:10:18 Not sure , there are defintley finals being played in Nowlan park , and there are definetly grades as in a Div 1 ,2,3 etc

Damothedub (Dublin) - 06/05/2016 10:50:25    1852499

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lasttoknow, Yeah I think I saw someone post that previously, I think antrim won it. Do the winners in each group not progress to knockout stages? bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1201 - 06/05/2016 10:10:18 1852486 I think these fixtures here are the other Preliminary Group stages only starting now. After these games are finished then all teams are re-grouped into another five different divisions to play more games with the top two playing in each section playing in the final.

lasttoknow (Tyrone) - 06/05/2016 11:24:20    1852513

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Cheers lads for the info.

bumpernut (Antrim) - 06/05/2016 11:51:53    1852524

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This competition is for hurlers who are not doing A Levels (NI) or leaving certs so Ballyhale lads could be on the Kilkenny team.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - 06/05/2016 12:35:34    1852540

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The competition isn't as straightforward as that Brian - for example there are no teams from some of the stronger areas of Cork, Tipperary, Kilkenny or Galway as the idea is to promote hurling in weaker areas by giving extra games and county recognition to players from weaker clubs. Wexford certainly were to pick their players from intermediate and junior clubs. You would have to question the value of the South Kilkenny 5-18 Waterford City 0-2 game to all involved - I presume Kilkenny didn't break any rules by selecting lads from clubs like Ballyhale but I would question if it was in the spirit of the competition.

Soma (UK) - 06/05/2016 13:14:16    1852556

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Problem is, there are no weak areas in Kilkenny Maybe they'd be better off not in it

manfromdelmonte (UK) - 06/05/2016 13:37:39    1852565

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They have plenty of junior and intermediate clubs though. I'm not having a pop at Kilkenny here and I'm sure Cork and Galway also probably had players from senior clubs but you would have to question the value of a game like that.

Soma (UK) - 06/05/2016 14:16:06    1852580

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They have plenty of junior and intermediate clubs though. I'm not having a pop at Kilkenny here and I'm sure Cork and Galway also probably had players from senior clubs but you would have to question the value of a game like that.

Soma (UK) - 06/05/2016 14:20:16    1852581

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any players on a championship minor team from cork kilkenny clare tipp and so on are not permitted to play in this tournament that is why these same counties have 2 or 3 teams entered as regional teams it is a development tournament after the group stage is finished all counties are then graded as in top ten teams will go into div 1 teams finishing 10 to 20 will be in div 2 and so on there will be 5 divisions giving every county competitive games after the group stage if all counties play by the rules also there are bonus points for scoaring so many goals not losing by such amount of points very good competition if played in the right spirit

mrsme (USA) - 06/05/2016 19:29:44    1852654

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Soma was there any players from Waterford come from senior clubs, like Ballygunner, Mountsion,, Delasale, they alone would have a way bigger pick than the south of Kilkenny. The shamrocks are only a rural club with membership of 160.

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - 06/05/2016 21:11:12    1852665

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Iv no idea John, there may well have been but if the pick of some of Waterfords strongest clubs are getting beat 5.18 to 0.2 by a south Kilkenny team then it's worrying times for hurling in Waterford. Do you think that game was worthwhile for anyone involved? Do you think 17 year olds from Ballyhale need extra hurling competitions? No doubt this will offend some but I honestly believe it would be better to encourage lads like that to play a small bit of football, just as this competitions main focus was to encourage lads to play some hurling in football dominated parts of the country.

Soma (UK) - 07/05/2016 09:52:07    1852687

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It would be very unfair not to pick players from senior clubs as at minor and u16 these clubs mightn't be necessarily Roinn A clubs.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - 07/05/2016 09:54:43    1852689

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Then you could also say it's unfair that lads from North Cork, East Cork, North Tipperary, East Galway, North Kilkenny etc don't get to play in this competition. Mooncoin and Slieverue are 2 small clubs in Kilkenny that put some genuine effort into football and they had 1 starter between the 2 of them last week. To be fair there is a small bit of football played by Ballyhale as well. Interesting to see how the South Kilkenny v South Wexford game goes this week, I hope Wexford don't also suffer a hammering for picking from the less strong clubs.

Soma (UK) - 07/05/2016 10:31:11    1852692

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Its funny you picked the Kilkenny result you said nothing about the beating Wicklow got from Laois, the cork city result over west Limerick a couple more there was a lads from Danesfort, Bennetsbridge, these are senior clubs but at under age as the Carlow texter said they would not be A graded teams the shamrocks are in the B grade under 16. As regards football it like voting in a election the people will decide you see young lads going with hurls around the streets you don't see any footballs.

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - 07/05/2016 10:34:32    1852693

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I think you are being over-sensitive John. Firstly the biggest winning margin was in the South Kilkenny game. Secondly I mentioned that in Wexford their approach was to initially pick from intermediate and junior clubs which seems a good idea to promote hurling and is in the spirit of a 'development' competition where lads from the strongest hurling areas in the country have no team take part. If they end up getting beat by 30+ points by South Kilkenny next week then who is this competition developing? Finally, lads in Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo etc walk around with footballs instead of hurls - should we just abandon the idea of promoting hurling there because the youth have 'voted'? To have Kilkennys county minor football team pull out of the competition after getting a massive beating, but then weeks later have their 'development' U-17 team destroy their opponents from Waterford just doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the GAA.

Soma (UK) - 07/05/2016 12:08:17    1852713

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