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i think you won't win your argument gary, as most ulster gaels know this is the wrong location for a provincial ground but sure what would we know. Going from safrons continuing arguments on the merits of casement it sounds like he is either a sf councillor or higher and we all know this is a sf vanity project because rugby and soccer got new stadia in Belfast so that's where Gerry wanted their cut to be spent.
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I don't consider the Antrim thinking that "Music, Rugby and Corporate events" are more important than Provincial GAA fans when considering a Provincial GAA stadium", to be the basis of a strong argument.
It's actually the reason they CAN'T win this argument, however you are right in saying that the outcome of this argument here on HS will not stop this Stadium going ahead on it's own, that will take a lot more work in the real world.
If a Stadium is designed and located specifically to cater for GAA people from all 9 Counties of Ulster, then such a venue will also be suitable to host any event geared towards all other residents of that particular Province, regardless of heritage, religion, sport etc. The argument that Belfast somehow offers something better than a more central location is nonsense.
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Some of the reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.
PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.
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- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.
- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!
- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.
- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.
- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.
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Replying To GaryMc82: "Some of the reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.
PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.
FACTS
- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.
- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!
- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.
- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.
- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive." Gary your arguments are so one eyed it is laughable, anyway to take your points, which other provinces have one provincial stadium. You are making assumption re capacity and expansion, also making assumptions about expanding other stadia, put in a planning application and tell us how that goes.
Poor parking - In your opinion, there is ample parking in the area and within a short walk.
Travel from all 9 counties - this has never been a consideration realistically any provincial stadia (if this is the one and only) would only be used by 4 teams per year. What about qualifier games have some consideration for our southern brethren.
Excessive cost - Nope less expensive than anything you have proposed as someone else will pick up the bulk of the cost.
ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE - Why is there zero benefit, you'll have somewhere to plant your backside thats a benefit although you may have to stop talking out of it first.
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Gary your arguments are so one eyed it is laughable, Poor parking - In your opinion, there is ample parking in the area and within a short walk.
Ah another Antrim poster!! Always nice to a fresh neutral perspective on this joke of a project.
Those putting forward the Stadium proposal, have revealed "Park & Ride" plans to compensate for lack of parking in the region. So those directly connected to the project believes there is not sufficient parking.
Travel from all 9 counties - this has never been a consideration realistically any provincial stadia (if this is the one and only) would only be used by 4 teams per year. What about qualifier games have some consideration for our southern brethren.
So when planning a Provincial Stadium, considering travel from all corners of that Province has never been a consideration!!
And the Qualifiers are brought into it, the same Qualifiers that are played in home or away grounds, and most people want to overhaul because they don't regularly attract big crowds. A Provincial Stadium must consider those from all corners of the Province that are meant to use it, if it fit for that main purpose, it will be fit for most other things.
Excessive cost - Nope less expensive than anything you have proposed as someone else will pick up the bulk of the cost.
The £77 million/€86 million cost is excessive, especially when considering all the flaws associated with this proposal that is clearly not fit for purpose. I've said plenty of times that the funding does not automatically dry up if the GAA say West Belfast is not ideal for a Provincial GAA Stadium. The British Government are obliged to offer funding to both sides in Northern Ireland under Good Friday Agreement and subsequent agreement terms, the GAA should sound it out more thoroughly before bending over to them.
ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE - Why is there zero benefit, you'll have somewhere to plant your backside thats a benefit although you may have to stop talking out of it first.
duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts:139 - 14/11/2016 10:25:47
I listed precisely why there is zero added benefit to having a Provincial Stadium in Belfast, on the main post I keep repeatedly posting.
Your response!! "You'll have somewhere to plant your backside, that's a benefit".
Laughable doesn't apply to me, Just read through the collective arguments of the majority of Antrim posters, and their credibility is in tatters after a series of ridiculous posts. If you can't defend it with the use of constructive argument, don't try and defend it.
Yourself, bumpernut, SaffronDon have all ended up making jibes at me personally, which is clearly out of frustration at the points I keep making, that you guys haven't been able to counter properly. You all know this proposed Stadium is a waste of money, It's not fit for purpose, and is being pushed through for Non-GAA reasons.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 14/11/2016 17:45:36
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Some of the reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.
PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.
FACTS
- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.
- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!
- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.
- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.
- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 14/11/2016 17:46:09
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Replying To GaryMc82: "Some of the reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.
PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.
FACTS
- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.
- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!
- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.
- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.
- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive." I'll just leave this post here and from a Down man too....... I would also like to point out the date folks!
I go away for a week and this is still being discussed - the minute I read that Belfast and to a lesser extent Antrim and Gods own county (An Dún) arent really GAA areas and Belfast was similiar to Derry soccer city, then I knew enough was enough!!
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
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bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 14/11/2016 22:12:28
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I'll just leave this post here and from a Down man too....... I would also like to point out the date folks!
I go away for a week and this is still being discussed - the minute I read that Belfast and to a lesser extent Antrim and Gods own county (An Dún) arent really GAA areas and Belfast was similiar to Derry soccer city, then I knew enough was enough!!
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts:455 - 16/01/2015 12:23:50
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1497 - 14/11/2016 22:12:28
Bumpernut who recently admitted (albeit regrettably ) that he is a project Insider (Works on the design team for the Proposed New Casement), again highlights a Down man in 2015 being baffled that somebody dared continue to criticize the Proposed Casement project.
THREE POINTS
- Part of Belfast City is located in Co Down.....So technically for the 2015 Co Down Poster, it's probably on his doorstep too.
- This debate has been going on since 2013 or earlier, flaring up every now and again, like some other threads on HS.
- This project is not actually 100% certain of going ahead, and is still very much up for debate.
The Antrim posters collectively have failed in all of that time to put up any Pro-GAA reasons for having a Stadium in Belfast. and I can probably list actual posts where they have resorted to personally attacking me for continuing to highlight serious flaws in this proposal.
In Bumpernut's quote here, the suggestion is that I am the fool as surely so many Antrim posters can't be wrong, and I am the lone voice against the many. However in reality they collectively lack a solid argument and shockingly most of them know that, but still they all have alternative reasons why the project should go ahead regardless of how many flaws it contains.
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Replying To GaryMc82: "I want to highlight this post from Saffron Don, as it gives an insight into his thinking and poor argument.
one of your biggest problems Gary, is that you have this notion that GAA fans care only about a match day experience that they have once or twice a year. You fail to recognise that they also care about the economy, about music, about other sports, about the development of their games, they are human after all, not some Ulster final programmed robot that comes alive once a year for a match. You just don't get the big picture!
SaffronDon (Antrim)
So my wanting to create a Provincial Stadium that is accessible to all 9 Counties in Ulster, enhancing the overall match day experience for all Ulster GAA fans including travel to and from the ground is my biggest problem. Bad me for caring.
He ranked Economy (Which is local West Belfast economy), music and other sports ahead of the Ulster GAA fans from across the whole province.
This is part of the problem with greedy business people or Politicians having a growing influence on the GAA, the actual GAA fans are just a source of revenue, nothing else. I mean to actually rebuke the Idea of doing something good for the collective Provincial GAA fans who will use a Provincial Stadium, and then mention "Non GAA" uses or reasons, that says it all really." I'm very glad you decided highlighted that. Your response sums up your lack of understanding of the GAA people you think your representing. Maybe that's why your 'awareness' campaign hasn't really taken off.
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I see that both Casement Park and Celtic Park in Derry have been included in 2023 Irish Rugby world cup bid. Would this mean an upgrade to Celtic park as well? I really like Celtic Park and think it could host more matches.
As for Casement Park, I think Antrim deserve a good ground with good facilities. I'd have to travel 3+ hours to get there for a match, so it's in no way central, not much different from travelling to Croke Park. However I wouldn't mind that so much if you could get parked within walking distance of the stadium. I know the parking is poor for most grounds when a big match is on but would we really have to park and ride?
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Replying To Green_Gold: "I see that both Casement Park and Celtic Park in Derry have been included in 2023 Irish Rugby world cup bid. Would this mean an upgrade to Celtic park as well? I really like Celtic Park and think it could host more matches.
As for Casement Park, I think Antrim deserve a good ground with good facilities. I'd have to travel 3+ hours to get there for a match, so it's in no way central, not much different from travelling to Croke Park. However I wouldn't mind that so much if you could get parked within walking distance of the stadium. I know the parking is poor for most grounds when a big match is on but would we really have to park and ride?" park and ride wouldnt be a must GG. You can easliy get parked within a short walk from the ground in either direction. To avoid the backlog you could take the Blacks Rd turn off and drive to the Finaghy area, park there and walk down to Casement within 5 mins and on the way out go the same direction to the motorway and the traffic wouldnt be as bad as Kennedy way. That's if your travelling via M1. If your going via M2, Boucher rd would be a better place to park. Maybe a 10 minute walk to Casement from there but plenty of parking available.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 15/11/2016 14:35:10
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GG from what ive read for official car parks as saffron has mentioned you can park on boucher road which is 10 min walk away, st teresas school about 15/20 min walk and I believe westwood shopping centre which is 5 mins walk.
There are loads of other unofficial car parking areas, if you have been previously to casement for any ulster championship games you will be aware that a lot of people park on the atown road, kennedy way, shaws road etc.
As someone else mentioned you can also get the train to finaghy halt coming from centre of Belfast or Dublin direction and its a 20 min walk to the ground.
Im sure my mucker Gary will tell you different though, as hes been to casement once or twice but more importantly he has a report that says otherwise
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Replying To bumpernut: "GG from what ive read for official car parks as saffron has mentioned you can park on boucher road which is 10 min walk away, st teresas school about 15/20 min walk and I believe westwood shopping centre which is 5 mins walk.
There are loads of other unofficial car parking areas, if you have been previously to casement for any ulster championship games you will be aware that a lot of people park on the atown road, kennedy way, shaws road etc.
As someone else mentioned you can also get the train to finaghy halt coming from centre of Belfast or Dublin direction and its a 20 min walk to the ground.
Im sure my mucker Gary will tell you different though, as hes been to casement once or twice but more importantly he has a report that says otherwise" boy are sf really heaping on the pressure via mcguinness's press talk today on bbcni where he said the rugby world cup would be massive for basically everybody bar mr eastwood as barry would have said during his heyday. Also he say I hope the judicial review judge is a rugby fan, no mention is he a GAA fan, or the rights of the residents who will be most impacted. Looks like it's getting to squeaky bum time regarding the brits £65 million input, although it's supposedly "ring fenced" how long will the establishment keep it so considering the state of the economy. Yeah up here it's all about the money. Shows what is really driving the push for casement and it most certainly aint the possible dozen GAA games a year it MAY hold!
bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 15/11/2016 16:35:50
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As for Casement Park, I think Antrim deserve a good ground with good facilities. I'd have to travel 3+ hours to get there for a match, so it's in no way central, not much different from travelling to Croke Park. However I wouldn't mind that so much if you could get parked within walking distance of the stadium. I know the parking is poor for most grounds when a big match is on but would we really have to park and ride?
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts:406 - 15/11/2016 12:57:57 1
Why should you have to travel so far to a Provincial Stadium?
That was the Initial question I first asked a few years back, and It is a question that is applicable to the majority of Counties in Ulster. Why not simply learn from the Issues associated with Clones, and address every single one of those issues now when planning a Provincial Stadium of Ulster to serve us over the next 30 years or so?
The Ulster GAA fans provide a massive slice of the GAA's overall funding, whether through clubs or County funding, whether that's through tickets, raffles, merchandice etc. This type of funding is constant and gradually accumulating over time, and is often taken for granted by the powers that be, in favour of "One off" large payments from sponsors etc.
When you ask yourself "What is the purpose of a Provincial GAA Stadium of Ulster?", and you list Concerts, Corporate events, Rugby and other sports among you top answers, then I would be concerned about the logic of the person listing those answers. Yet that is the level of thinking behind the Proposed Casement Park, It is shocking when you look closely at this proposal, how little GAA fans who are scheduled to use the facility figured in it's planning.
Also considering this proposed 34,000 Capacity Stadium is earmarked to cost £77 million / €86 million, while the redevelopment of 45,770 Capacity Pairc Ui Chaoimh is earmarked to cost €60 million. That is a massive saving down in Cork, where was all of the extra cash on the proposed Casement scheduled to go????????
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boy are sf really heaping on the pressure via mcguinness's press talk today on bbcni where he said the rugby world cup would be massive for basically everybody bar mr eastwood as barry would have said during his heyday. Also he say I hope the judicial review judge is a rugby fan, no mention is he a GAA fan, or the rights of the residents who will be most impacted. Looks like it's getting to squeaky bum time regarding the brits £65 million input, although it's supposedly "ring fenced" how long will the establishment keep it so considering the state of the economy. Yeah up here it's all about the money. Shows what is really driving the push for casement and it most certainly aint the possible dozen GAA games a year it MAY hold!
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Shush!! You're not supposed to highlight that Casement is being funded for the Rugby World Cup bid, you'll upset the Stadium Insiders here like bumpernut who works on the Design team for the Proposed Casement.
Proposed Casement Park - 34,000 Capacity - Cost €86 million / £77 million.
Pairc Ui Chaoimh (Cork) - 45,770 - Cost €60 million
The Stadium in Cork is "State of the art", has modern medical & changing facilities, and also restaurants and other non-essential stuff. So I can't quite figure why the Proposed Casement Park is cost approximately €26 million more!!
Why is a proposed smaller Stadium set to cost so much extra?
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 15/11/2016 17:38:53
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Replying To bulmccabe: "boy are sf really heaping on the pressure via mcguinness's press talk today on bbcni where he said the rugby world cup would be massive for basically everybody bar mr eastwood as barry would have said during his heyday. Also he say I hope the judicial review judge is a rugby fan, no mention is he a GAA fan, or the rights of the residents who will be most impacted. Looks like it's getting to squeaky bum time regarding the brits £65 million input, although it's supposedly "ring fenced" how long will the establishment keep it so considering the state of the economy. Yeah up here it's all about the money. Shows what is really driving the push for casement and it most certainly aint the possible dozen GAA games a year it MAY hold!" Your concern for all the residents is touching, like the DUP, so when Gary finally gets his finger out and gets his pressure group up and running, you should join him and call up to a'town and have a yarn with them
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Reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.
PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.
FACTS
- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion ( Proposed Capacity was recently reduced, meaning future expansion is very unlikely). Ulster will remain the only Province in Ireland with no 40,000 Capacity Stadium.
- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has arguably worst parking than Clones!! and lack of parking provisions in planning mean Stadium designers had to add "Park & Ride" facilities to cope with crowds of GAA fans. Casement has not held matches for crowds over 30,000 in modern times, and its parking is deemed insufficient for that number of people.
- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.
- EXCESSIVE COST: The Proposed 34,000 Capacity Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, with 45,770 Capacity Pairc Ui Chaoimh in Cork costing €60 million. A central ground like Healy Park in Omagh could be expanded or upgraded for £20-25 million.
- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that
- Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports),
- They rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc),
- They don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.
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Your concern for all the residents is touching, like the DUP, so when Gary finally gets his finger out and gets his pressure group up and running, you should join him and call up to a'town and have a yarn with them
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Your very hostile to any opinion that differs from your own, you don't discuss points, you attack the person making them.
Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin bumpernut, why precisely are you so angry? Will your job be in jeopardy if this falls through? Or do you stand to gain from a sizable bonus, a large chunk of the €26 million that appears to be spare cash for the boys.
I mean you just compared the Tyrone poster to the DUP, all because he dared question the proposed Casement!!
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 15/11/2016 18:25:24
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Replying To bumpernut: "Your concern for all the residents is touching, like the DUP, so when Gary finally gets his finger out and gets his pressure group up and running, you should join him and call up to a'town and have a yarn with them" Bump, think you've called the wrong pony on this one, I can assure you I am no lover of the dup or for that mater any of the muppets up on the hill. I know how they work having tried unsuccessfully to try and get a grant through the much touted sif scheme which has also been divied up between the shinners and the dups pet loyalists. Surely if you believe the casement project is/was the best option could you show others what options were on the table. Having sat in on many UC and county meetings in which casement was a topic and voicing opposition against casement on a logical not paroachial point, We were told at these briefings that it was a done deal and no other venue / area was considered for what could have been a fantastic state of the art stadium that could have had a higher capacity than 34k. And before you's come back with what about the down time, it will still only be used a limited number of times regardless of positioning, As it will have to compete with both of the other venues, titanic quarter, sse for major concerts and sports events.
Having no horse in this race it does not matter to me as I will attend the games any way regardless, but to use this stupid argument that it will bring great benefits to the area could you show us what benefits or extra investment in shops, restaurants, jobs etc either ravenhill or Windsor have brought. Both codes made viable applications on rebuilding both grounds and upgrading safety infrastructure at club level and also on coaching. Danny Murphys plan was all in to casement.
Do you HONESTLY think any consideration was given to the locals who sf believed would just agree to whatever was proposed. Just look at the state of the place it could still be up and running holding games on a surface that rivalled any in Ireland. instead it was torn down before planning was even granted so obviously it was believed it would be put through without objection.
On helping Belfast gaa grow do you think it will help the numerous clubs within the locale recruit players as it seems all are haemoraging players at underage level and having to amalgamate to field teams with the exceptions of the Johnnies or the upper class bridgits.
Anyway regardless of us ALL arguing our points which are valid the only show in town now is andytown and to see the cringeworthy statements on todays media about the rugby world cup and the head of irfu even talking about it getting the go ahead shows to most non antrim people what really is driving the casement project.
Anyway that's my tuppence worth and having availed of the many grounds in west Belfast over the years and casement also it is a sad inditement that the locals, gaa and sf /sdlp could not have got their act together and agreed a plan to take forward which would have been agreed by all.
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Replying To bumpernut: "Your concern for all the residents is touching, like the DUP, so when Gary finally gets his finger out and gets his pressure group up and running, you should join him and call up to a'town and have a yarn with them" You've just let the cat outta the bag there bump, resulting to insults wont change minds same way as the residents wont roll over to sf luckily my job or income will still be secure regardless where as jobs for the boys is on the line as well as the sif scheme which is a cosy fund to supposedly help disadvantaged areas which by the way also exist outside Belfast but mostly being spent in Belfast with no objections from sf/dup regardless of again the objections on how and where its spent. does this sound like a familiar scenario to you and do you or your company stand to gain from this scheme also. life goes on beyond sprucefield and sandyknowles not that the politicians seem to believe.
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Replying To bulmccabe: "You've just let the cat outta the bag there bump, resulting to insults wont change minds same way as the residents wont roll over to sf luckily my job or income will still be secure regardless where as jobs for the boys is on the line as well as the sif scheme which is a cosy fund to supposedly help disadvantaged areas which by the way also exist outside Belfast but mostly being spent in Belfast with no objections from sf/dup regardless of again the objections on how and where its spent. does this sound like a familiar scenario to you and do you or your company stand to gain from this scheme also. life goes on beyond sprucefield and sandyknowles not that the politicians seem to believe." No need to change minds bul, as has already been stated umpteen times before it's casement or nowhere.
Now let's be realistic and honest here, we are all long enough in the tooth to know the DUP would love nothing better than to pull the plug on casement and the gaa getting their stadium. That is the most important fact Gary continually ignores. It ain't going to omagh, Ballygawley or Middletown for that matter.
So if you really hate the thought of casement being a provincial stadium then as has been stated before, simply vote with your feet. Alternatively you can embrace it like most others will do and I would hope it will be a positive experience for all who attend games there.
In your previous post you query economic benefits to the area as there seemingly hasn't been any for Windsor or ravenhill. The big difference is that Windsor and ravenhill are surrounded in the main building houses. Casements main entrance on the other hand sits on the main arterial route through west Belfast with many shops, restaurants, bars, cafés, takeaways etc. In that sense it's similar to clones. Now as we know, not all supporters are like Gary in that they just want to go to the match with a flask of tea etc, so there are various amenities to cover whatever you seek
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As for the supposed white elephant argument, I would like to remind you that this will also be antrims ground so in conjunction with county games there will be continued use by Antrim clubs, colleges and schools as well as ulster clubs, colleges and schools not to mention Camogie and ladies football. I would also like to remind you that It will also cater for handball clubs and schools in the area as well with handball courts as part of the development.
So believe me this will be no white elephant for Belfast and Antrim galls in particular. It will be central, in fact crucial, to trying to engage positively with kids and schools in the area re promotion of our games.
The most important aspect of the development is the filip it will give Belfast gaa in particular cannot be emphasised enough. So is that not good for our games or is it more important that journey times are shorter as Gary seems to prefer
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 15/11/2016 23:53:10
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