For anybody who missed this previously, this is why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.

PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.

FACTS

- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.

- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!

- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.

- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.

- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2839 - 08/11/2016 13:04:44

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/11/2016 16:13:54    1933082

On what basis are the GAA happy?, clearly not on the basis it serves the GAA fans best. Thank you for confirming the GAA Intend this to be a Provincial Stadium. I am a man of the people, and I realise the GAA are selling their soul to the British, and Ignoring the people they should be serving.

so you'd prefer if the GAA rejected an almost free of charge stadium and invested their own money in Omagh at the expense of development of clubs and grass roots? way to go, 'man of the people'!

So rather than working out whats best for our future GAA needs, you think we should proceed with what is clearly already a poor option, then decide in 2024 just how big of a failure it was. Why 2024, do you think a Rugby event for 30-40 days might make it somehow seem a worthwhile project?

nah that's not what I said but while we're on the topic if it was a failure its no skin off the GAA's back. If your proposal went ahead and failed, it would be a huge loss for the GAA, have you stopped to consider that, man of the people?

The problem is when you add 34,000 additional people to the mass amount of people who as you say already pass through the area everyday, that is where these issues become larger.

The area holds festivals as well as Tennants Vital just down the road catering for thousands every year without any breach of health and safety or major disruption. Another thing you would know if you knew anything about the area. Getting pathetic at this stage, the lack of knowledge you have of an area you so oppose.

Nonsense, I believe more Ulster Club Championship games could be held at a more central location. It is also pure Ignorance to believe major concerts can not take place outside of Belfast, having recently seen major concerts take place around the Country outside of major Cities, such as Bruce Springsteen playing Nolan Park in Kilkenny recently.

I never said they couldn't, but you named one Artist at one rural location...do you want a list of who Belfast attracts on a regular basis to put things in perspective? Oh, and also, are you now implying that other major events should be held at your proposal?? LOL i thought you were adament that it was strictly for GAA purposes?

Again more nonsense, your are the only one backing the biggest white elephant in the history of our game.

Haha! great response there, take what I said to you and throw it back at me without substance. How can Casement be a white elephant when its costing the GAA nothing? Your idea is a major risk to them financially without question. Money that is badly needed in other areas of the game is supposed to be sacrificed so that you can see a provincial stadium in a central location. Dream on!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 09/11/2016 17:04:58    1933094

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 09/11/2016 17:37:34    1933103

What makes this all the funnier though sitting back here and reading all the madness Saffrondon is that there was a report published in 2007 - a report which specifically looked at the in-town versus out-of-town stadium location and looked not only at a local level (NI) but also looked at studies carried out to find Global Best Practice. Many factors were included in the report from Regeneration Perspectives to Economic ones, from Infrastructural to Business, from Social to the ability to generate revenue and right down to things like atmosphere generated and experience had - everything that ironically has been flogged to death on here.

You know why a place like Belfast would be location of choice for a new Provincial stadium (regardless of the fact that this one has to be in Belfast). I know why a location like Belfast is best. The authors of said reports key findings show why a location like Belfast is best. The Global authors of the reports and studies they reference in said report know why Belfast would be the best location in the context of here.

Unfortunately we are all wrong. A pack of Parochial Antrim people or people sympathetic to our Parochial ways who are colluding with us. Or are we all the same person? Has anyone here actually ever seen you, me, bumper, Ulsterman etc in the one room. Anyone? Thought not. I think you are really me. Or is it me who is you? Actually - I don't even have an A in my name so am I really from Antrim - the plot thickens.....

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/11/2016 20:37:06    1933149

so you'd prefer if the GAA rejected an almost free of charge stadium and invested their own money in Omagh at the expense of development of clubs and grass roots? way to go, 'man of the people'!

Yes, I would actually. And you know why? Because "grass roots" is like the health sector, a bottomless pit for money, there will never be enough to satisfy that hunger. So why not take the hit regardless, and do things on our own terms for the greater good of GAA fans right across the Province.

nah that's not what I said but while we're on the topic if it was a failure its no skin off the GAA's back. If your proposal went ahead and failed, it would be a huge loss for the GAA, have you stopped to consider that, man of the people?

Maybe I should start addressing you lads as "Men of British Government", as it seems appropriate considering your lack of care for the wider GAA community. It's your collective lack of argument in favour of Casement that leads to attack me personally, between your jibes and bumpernut have a vested interest in this going ahead, your making a joke of it.

The area holds festivals as well as Tennants Vital just down the road catering for thousands every year without any breach of health and safety or major disruption. Another thing you would know if you knew anything about the area. Getting pathetic at this stage, the lack of knowledge you have of an area you so oppose.

So your now somehow thinking the core argument against the proposed Casement is simply down to the area not being able to hold that amount of people, that is just a side argument, which unlike Tennants Vital, is based on GAA folk who all predominantly drive to games rather than bus it to drink and party.

I never said they couldn't, but you named one Artist at one rural location...do you want a list of who Belfast attracts on a regular basis to put things in perspective? Oh, and also, are you now implying that other major events should be held at your proposal?? LOL i thought you were adament that it was strictly for GAA purposes?

No I have always been clear, that a Provincial Stadium should consider the GAA fans from all parts of Ulster before anything else. So before you put forward Concerts, Corporate events, boost to the local economy, I believe we look at whats best for all of the GAA fans of Ulster. Having considered all of those things, and served the needs of the GAA first, I am not opposed to holding additional events, but only after GAA needs are met. I would not have an American Football match pencilled in for the weekend when a potential GAA replay could be taking place.

Haha! great response there, take what I said to you and throw it back at me without substance. How can Casement be a white elephant when its costing the GAA nothing? Your idea is a major risk to them financially without question. Money that is badly needed in other areas of the game is supposed to be sacrificed so that you can see a provincial stadium in a central location. Dream on!
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1010 - 09/11/2016 17:04:58 1933094

Is £10 million really a major risk? I mean considering they are already slated to contribute £15 million to Casement which they have in the bank, would a Provincial council borrowing £10 million really be that big of a risk in order to apply £25m to a central project, considering Mayo GAA borrowed €20 million themselves for McHale Park.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 10/11/2016 14:27:32    1933336

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 10/11/2016 14:34:00    1933340

You know why a place like Belfast would be location of choice for a new Provincial stadium (regardless of the fact that this one has to be in Belfast). I know why a location like Belfast is best. The authors of said reports key findings show why a location like Belfast is best. The Global authors of the reports and studies they reference in said report know why Belfast would be the best location in the context of here.

Unfortunately we are all wrong. A pack of Parochial Antrim people or people sympathetic to our Parochial ways who are colluding with us. Or are we all the same person? Has anyone here actually ever seen you, me, bumper, Ulsterman etc in the one room. Anyone? Thought not. I think you are really me. Or is it me who is you? Actually - I don't even have an A in my name so am I really from Antrim - the plot thickens.....

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3155 - 09/11/2016 20:37:06 1

You should point out that the global authors of the report did not consider a Belfast GAA Stadium based on it's primary function as a Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not in the context that this Stadium will be used. If such a report was so detailed and well thought out, how did they miss the key issues as to why it is not the most suitable site for a Provincial GAA Stadium? Glaring obvious issues.

Go back through this thread, you will see a cluster of Antrim posters on here all defending this project in a fairly agressive manner, I mean just look at personal jibes made against me by you all, I mean Just for publicly opposing it and refusing to be quiet and accept your ridiculous attempts to dismiss my statements!!!

I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at this stage if more than just bumpernut of Antrim had a vested interest in this project. For guys that are so assured of this Stadium going ahead, I have seen you dig up Omagh bus timetable listings (Choosing to Ignore the "Special Services" that are put on for major events), researching for old surveys all to try and deride my argument here.

Ultimately If a proper thorough survey was ever conducted, It would have highlighted that Casement was well down the list of sites that would be suitable for a Provincial Stadium of Ulster and the core purpose of such a Stadium. However with enough money, logic can sometimes get washed away.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 10/11/2016 14:53:00    1933345

research? facts? save your breath Offside, it will be nothing but background noise for Gary before he says his favourite bit again.


ah yes, us 'parochial' Antrim sort, that's some parish, stretching from north Antrim all the way to west Belfast. The parish priest has is work cut out for here! the word also describes narrow mindedness, who's the fella who wants to reject a multi purpose state of the art stadium that will take us into a new era for a Healy Park facelift strictly for GAA only? very parochial indeed!
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1011 - 10/11/2016 14:34:00

Yes, you are all "Parochial" in your mindset, Parochial in the sense of considerate to your own needs only, as in your own boundary or area (Co Antrim in this case).

I think that's very obvious to anybody who comes on here, just look at those who constantly respond to my comments. People see ANTRIM, ANTRIM, ANTRIM, I think over 95% of responses are all from ANTRIM poster. Had it been one poster from Antrim, I could say it's just somebody arguing something they are passionate about, but it's the number of posters from Antrim that helps bolster what I said about the Parochial element at play here.

Those comments have demonstrated that Antrim posters will support this Stadium no matter what, and purely because it's going to be on your doorstep!!

That is the truth, that is a parochial mindset is. I noticed very early on that regardless of how flawed the proposal was, and how little it considered the wider Ulster GAA fans who will undoubtedly be required to make it success, none of your ever once gave any of that serious consideration.
You didn't care or don't care, you have your own parochial agenda here, backing this no matter what.

bumpernut already let slip that he works directly with the Design team connected to this proposed Casement Park project, albeit he is back-tracking a little since then. So he is directly involved in the project, and you pretty much all have resorted to personal attacks on me ( Failing to attack the argument, attack the person presenting the argument).

The "State of the Art" Stadium is nonsense, I would rather have "Fit for Purpose" Stadium for £25 million, that makes sense given annual usage, than a £77 million joke, which includes facilities the ordinary GAA fan will never get to avail of.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 10/11/2016 15:10:00    1933350

For anybody who missed this previously, this is why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.

PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.

FACTS

- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.

- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!

- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.

- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.

- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 10/11/2016 15:11:51    1933352

There has been an argument/solution for every point Gary has made above but he chooses to ignore them each time and repeat himself in a desperate manner.

Solutions are for problems, we already have problems in Clones, and Casement doesn't provide solutions for those.

You know this already, but are content to ignore these, instead always hoping to focus on some narrow little point that distracts from the key points.

Besides the capacity (which would be suffice judging by this years Ulster final attendance, three thousand short of a full house) he has shown you no FACTS.

Well I believe the 36,000 Clones Capacity was reduced to 33-34,000 now after the Health and Safety review across all GAA Grounds a few years ago, and I am pretty sure all allocated tickets were sold out, with small number of 250-500 not making it on the day.

DO NOT LET HIS OPINIONS FOOL YOU
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1011 - 09/11/2016 17:37:34

In the absence of a logical argument and their subsequent reluctance to halt the debate, a lesser mind will resort to attacking the person with which they are having a debate, all in the hope of glossing over their weaker argument.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 10/11/2016 15:23:37    1933356

I'll just leave this post here and from a Down man too....... I would also like to point out the date folks!




I go away for a week and this is still being discussed - the minute I read that Belfast and to a lesser extent Antrim and Gods own county (An Dún) arent really GAA areas and Belfast was similiar to Derry soccer city, then I knew enough was enough!!

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts:455 - 16/01/2015 12:23:50

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 10/11/2016 16:29:00    1933377

Yes, I would actually. And you know why? Because "grass roots" is like the health sector, a bottomless pit for money, there will never be enough to satisfy that hunger. So why not take the hit regardless, and do things on our own terms for the greater good of GAA fans right across the Province.


Rubbish. If there is structure to investment the GAA will see a return on it. Look at Dublin GAA in the last 15 years and tell me was that money wasted from their perspective? If the same principals are applied to other counties it can have a similar impact, on a lesser scale maybe. An impact that GAA fans would welcome far more than a stadium refurbishment.

Maybe I should start addressing you lads as "Men of British Government", as it seems appropriate considering your lack of care for the wider GAA community. It's your collective lack of argument in favour of Casement that leads to attack me personally, between your jibes and bumpernut have a vested interest in this going ahead, your making a joke of it.

well, your the one who echos Nelson 'the bigot' McCausland's comments on here so look to yourself first on that one. Then you want to play the victim card at the same time as calling us all parochial and bringing a posters profession into things. Don't throw stones from a glass house and all that!

So your now somehow thinking the core argument against the proposed Casement is simply down to the area not being able to hold that amount of people, that is just a side argument, which unlike Tennants Vital, is based on GAA folk who all predominantly drive to games rather than bus it to drink and party.

ah right its just a side argument now after bringing it up so many times, now its convenient to sweep it under the carpet, I see. There are also plenty of GAA fans who hire a private bus from clubs etc to matches and have a drink too, no need to be so stereotypical of Tennants Vital goers, many of whom are also GAA fans.

No I have always been clear, that a Provincial Stadium should consider the GAA fans from all parts of Ulster before anything else. So before you put forward Concerts, Corporate events, boost to the local economy, I believe we look at whats best for all of the GAA fans of Ulster. Having considered all of those things, and served the needs of the GAA first, I am not opposed to holding additional events, but only after GAA needs are met. I would not have an American Football match pencilled in for the weekend when a potential GAA replay could be taking place.

one of your biggest problems Gary, is that you have this notion that GAA fans care only about a match day experience that they have once or twice a year. You fail to recognise that they also care about the economy, about music, about other sports, about the development of their games, they are human after all, not some Ulster final programmed robot that comes alive once a year for a match. You just don't get the big picture!

Is £10 million really a major risk? I mean considering they are already slated to contribute £15 million to Casement which they have in the bank, would a Provincial council borrowing £10 million really be that big of a risk in order to apply £25m to a central project, considering Mayo GAA borrowed €20 million themselves for McHale Park.

The GAA would rather associate with a state of the art stadium that they can proudly call their own than a face lift to an old stadium. That's basic logic and I'd say a lot of Ulster Gaels would feel the same.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 10/11/2016 21:21:27    1933449

Lastly, I had to laugh at your campaign leaflet post which looked as though you were rallying for support for your proposal. I thought you didn't care if you were the only one who rejected project Casement on here?

It's very hard to take you seriously, I think Bumper made a good reference with the Down poster there. I could go tit for tat with you forever Gary and not feel as though you are convincing me of anything and no doubt that works the same way with you. I am getting bored to death again and would wish the admin would shut this thread down as it is just pointless at this stage...

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 10/11/2016 21:22:21    1933450

well, your the one who echos Nelson 'the bigot' McCausland's comments on here so look to yourself first on that one. Then you want to play the victim card at the same time as calling us all parochial and bringing a posters profession into things. Don't throw stones from a glass house and all that!

An Antrim poster (bumpernut) mentioned that they have a vested interest in this Stadium, so yes I brought their profession into it, because they have a financial vested interest in this project going ahead. They stand to profit from it, which explains their die hard support for a proposal that makes fails to provide solutions to almost all of the issues we have with Clones. You really are parochial in terms of your mindset, whether that stems from your County feelings or maybe you too have a vested Interest in this project.

ah right its just a side argument now after bringing it up so many times, now its convenient to sweep it under the carpet, I see. There are also plenty of GAA fans who hire a private bus from clubs etc to matches and have a drink too, no need to be so stereotypical of Tennants Vital goers, many of whom are also GAA fans.

Incorrect Saffron, I never sweep any of the points under the carpet, I simply pointed out that this was not the a point upon which the argument solely balanced on, yet my point was clearly valid. It was one of a number of issues that this project fails to address. I have clearly and repeatedly posted those points, to confirm the collective issues with this project.

I was also the person who mentioned during the "Bus Hub" discussion on this thread that most GAA fans avail of private bus travel organised through all local clubs, to dispel the notion that lack of "Scheduled" public transport for Omagh on a Sunday was a problem. I thought you would know that the majority of people attending Tennant's Vital would use bus or train facilities, while the majority of GAA fans don't.

one of your biggest problems Gary, is that you have this notion that GAA fans care only about a match day experience that they have once or twice a year. You fail to recognise that they also care about the economy, about music, about other sports, about the development of their games, they are human after all, not some Ulster final programmed robot that comes alive once a year for a match. You just don't get the big picture!

So my wanting to create a Provincial Stadium that is accessible to all 9 Counties in Ulster, enhancing the overall match day experience including travel is my biggest problem!! You are an idiot, a biased clown on here spouting nonsense consistently, It's embarrassing to hear you rank Economy (Which is local West Belfast economy), music and other sports ahead of the Ulster GAA fans from across the whole province. You are whats wrong with the GAA, and you symbolise what is wrong with this flawed corrupt Casement Park Proposal.

The GAA would rather associate with a state of the art stadium that they can proudly call their own than a face lift to an old stadium. That's basic logic and I'd say a lot of Ulster Gaels would feel the same.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1016 - 10/11/2016 21:21:27 1933449

Judging from the earlier part of your comment, I don't believe you have any Idea what Ulster Gael's want. What is "State of the Art"?, normally in Premier League settings it refers to extravagant roof and stand designs, with plush restaurants, lounges, shops, conference facilities and bars etc.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/11/2016 13:28:42    1933760

I want to highlight this post from Saffron Don, as it gives an insight into his thinking and poor argument.

one of your biggest problems Gary, is that you have this notion that GAA fans care only about a match day experience that they have once or twice a year. You fail to recognise that they also care about the economy, about music, about other sports, about the development of their games, they are human after all, not some Ulster final programmed robot that comes alive once a year for a match. You just don't get the big picture!
SaffronDon (Antrim)

So my wanting to create a Provincial Stadium that is accessible to all 9 Counties in Ulster, enhancing the overall match day experience for all Ulster GAA fans including travel to and from the ground is my biggest problem. Bad me for caring.

He ranked Economy (Which is local West Belfast economy), music and other sports ahead of the Ulster GAA fans from across the whole province.

This is part of the problem with greedy business people or Politicians having a growing influence on the GAA, the actual GAA fans are just a source of revenue, nothing else. I mean to actually rebuke the Idea of doing something good for the collective Provincial GAA fans who will use a Provincial Stadium, and then mention "Non GAA" uses or reasons, that says it all really.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/11/2016 13:36:59    1933762

Lastly, I had to laugh at your campaign leaflet post which looked as though you were rallying for support for your proposal. I thought you didn't care if you were the only one who rejected project Casement on here?

It's not about gaining support (Which I already have), It's simply about keeping the core issues refreshed, which I suspected would get a reaction from Antrim (You reacted).

It keeps everything on point regardless of what nit picking you are attempting. Generally people with a weak or non-existent argument will drift to a non-vital area and try and bog down the argument.
- This then bores those not directly involved in the argument, creating the Idea that we are reduced to minor or petty arguments and thus keeps focus away from the core argument, in this case the core flaws in the proposed Casement.

It's very hard to take you seriously, I think Bumper made a good reference with the Down poster there.

You say it's hard to take me seriously, yet your continuous posts suggest you take me very seriously. Clearly because I am strongly opposed to the proposed Casement, and I am constantly raising serious flaws with this proposed project.

A couple of years back an Antrim poster said I should be quiet, that by 2016 we will probably be attending Ulster Final's in "The New Casement". So assured, yet here we are no further forward in fact.

I could go tit for tat with you forever Gary and not feel as though you are convincing me of anything and no doubt that works the same way with you. I am getting bored to death again and would wish the admin would shut this thread down as it is just pointless at this stage...
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1016 - 10/11/2016 21:22:21 193

Of course you wish Admin would close this thread, I mean this was opened to be a thread of praise for the Proposed Casement Stadium, and instead turned into thread of detailed criticism that you are incapable of countering.

Note: I was never on here to convince you or the pro-Casement brigade of anything, I am on here to highlight the massive flaws that most people don't even know exists. Most Gael's across Ulster don't fully realise how flawed this is, a solid alternative was never considered or presented to contrast how poor this is.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/11/2016 14:00:08    1933765

For anybody who missed this previously, this is why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project.

PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.

FACTS

- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion.

- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has substantially worst parking than Clones!!

- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.

- EXCESSIVE COST: Proposed Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, we could have 3 or 4 top quality upgraded Stadiums for £20-25 million each.

- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports), they rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc), they don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/11/2016 14:01:20    1933766

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 12/11/2016 14:53:42    1933769

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 12/11/2016 14:59:16    1933771

I go away for a week and this is still being discussed - the minute I read that Belfast and to a lesser extent Antrim and Gods own county (An Dún) arent really GAA areas and Belfast was similiar to Derry soccer city, then I knew enough was enough!!
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts:455 - 16/01/2015 12:23:50
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1493 - 12/11/2016 14:53:42

Isn't part of Belfast City in Co Down?

Oh dear, still parochial supporters

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/11/2016 17:50:21    1933793