Gary, with all due respect, whether in your opinion, technical or not you are still wrong. You intimated that the sole reason for the funding was the RWC you were wrong.

I'm actually right in that the funding by the British Government to develop 3 Stadiums in Belfast City, was Intended to aid Ireland's bid to host the Rugby World Cup. Why else specify that 3 x Stadiums must be built in the one small City, yes both Rugby and Soccer Stadiums will cater to International fans and all that entails, but the GAA ground is ear marked to be a Provincial Ground, not National or International.

Gary you are adding two + two and getting a giraffe. Before you come out with any more farcical statements look at where the maze was due to be vs the projects which fell out of it. Whilst the IRFU, IFA and GAA all supported the maze in public at least, the prospect of having the money for their own ends was too tantalizing hence ravenhill, windsor and casement. Also no stadiums were being built, 3 x stadia were being upgraded so again swing and a miss.

You are missing the point somewhat also, whilst a central location maybe fine and equidistant from all counties do you seriously believe any of the counties would sacrifice home advantage vs playing down the road in a bigger stadium, if its in Belfast, Omagh or Abu Dhabi, it would only be used for neutral games at semi and final stage so potentially 5 teams wont set foot on it in any one year.

Your desire to see it equidistant is fine but the county whom is affected more than most, donegal and whom have racked up the miles over the last few years dont seem to be moaning as a new stadium for Ulster GAA is more important than the location.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 04/11/2016 14:24:38    1931541

Potential growth in all counties but surely you will admit there is far far more potential for growth in Down and Antrim to the east than Fermanagh and Donegal to the west?

So build the Stadium for Antrim and Down home games, and I have no issue with that. But this is proposed as a "Provincial Stadium", representing all 9 Counties of Ulster. Is it fair to Ignore the other 7 Counties who are not in the East, just because they don't have the same growth potential that Antrim or Down "might" have?

Also regardless of "Potential" growth in the far East of Ulster, two GAA teams would still only get 17,000 tickets for a high profile game. So even if Antrim and Down could both summon 100,000 fans each to a game, the proposed Stadium wouldn't be fit for purpose. So in terms of Stadium usage, are you going to have them both play a "best of 10" series of matches, or do you think clubs in Antrim and Down will draw regular crowds of 34,000 too?

You have very short-sighted views, the stadium isn't just for the next few Ulster championships but to serve Gaelic games in Ulster for the next 40 years. Things have changed a lot in Ulster in the last 40 years so it's disappointing to see you state that 50% of the population on the east coast will never play GAA.

No things have not changed that much, and are unlikely to change in the next 20-40 years unfortunately. You might get a Unionist politician or Celebrity popping in for a Charitable event or photo op to a GAA ground, but sadly thats where it ends. The Unionist Population have no Interest in Gaelic Games, It's still seen as a Nationalist/Republic thing, and the vast majority want no part of it. Now if you conduct a Poll of all the Unionist people in Antrim and Down, and can prove the majority will consider attending Gaelic Games, then come back with the results and I will consider it. Otherwise it is a pipe dream.

I could equally say hurling will never be taken seriously in the western counties of Ulster so why should the provincial stadium which caters for the game be located there?
Soma (UK) - Posts:1640 - 04/11/2016 11:17:59

Who said the Provincial GAA Stadium should be located in the West of the Province? I advocate for the Stadium to be located in a location that is central to fans from all 9 Counties. The strength of Hurling in Eastern Ulster and Football in Western Ulster is another good reason why a Provincial Stadium that is home to all Gaelic Games should be more central.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 04/11/2016 22:58:36    1931716

No idea how many use Public transport at all cavanman - just read it in a newspaper or somewhere that "Omagh is a major bus hub in Ulster, so yes it actually has better and certainly shorter bus links in all directions across 9 Counties of Ulster. This is another reason why it would be a more suitable location than Belfast."

Was more about dispelling the myth that thinking too much about how many get a bus, train or automobile. Suppose the fact is though that having a service provides an option.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3152 - 04/11/2016 13:50:01 1

I'm delighted, you just proved by the time you spent trying ( And utterly failing) to contradict me, that you are seriously worried that some of the genuine points I am raising might catch fire and spread.

I told Mes Amis that Omagh is a Major Bus Hub in Ulster ( Which it is), to dispel the notion that mid-Ulster is somehow an isolated location and only Belfast is a transport hub for all of Ulster ( Which it isn't).

Now as the Cavan poster mentioned, very few if any GAA fans use public transport for Gaelic Matches, mainly as most clubs tend to run private buses to and from Inter-County Matches. Of course Bus Eireann and Ulsterbus can run special services upon request for major events, which is outside of the standard timetable you were so considerate to take the time to type up here.

I didn't suggest the GAA fans would all be availing of Public bus services on match day ( Which is possible upon request), I just dispelling the myth that Belfast is the transport centre between the 9 Counties.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 04/11/2016 23:19:20    1931719

Gary you are adding two + two and getting a giraffe. Before you come out with any more farcical statements look at where the maze was due to be vs the projects which fell out of it. Whilst the IRFU, IFA and GAA all supported the maze in public at least, the prospect of having the money for their own ends was too tantalizing hence ravenhill, windsor and casement. Also no stadiums were being built, 3 x stadia were being upgraded so again swing and a miss.

Nonsense, think about the logic of having 3 x Stadiums all built in Belfast and what purpose that would serve. For a good few years now there have been whimpers about a Rugby World Cup bid, an All Ireland bid, and there has been strong support from English and Irish Governments for such a bid despite both having economic problems. Why else rush through a half-baked Casement Park as a Provincial Stadium location, with zero consideration given to fans, residents and traffic. Why not take time and weigh up all considerations, and just rush it through.

You are missing the point somewhat also, whilst a central location maybe fine and equidistant from all counties do you seriously believe any of the counties would sacrifice home advantage vs playing down the road in a bigger stadium, if its in Belfast, Omagh or Abu Dhabi, it would only be used for neutral games at semi and final stage so potentially 5 teams wont set foot on it in any one year.

This is the GAA, Not a convention of logical people. I am on record in saying I believe every single GAA match of the Ulster Championship that can draw crowds in excess of 12- 15,000 people would be played in the Proposed Casement, even those who are likely to attract less would be played there to justify the building of the Stadium.

Your desire to see it equidistant is fine but the county whom is affected more than most, donegal and whom have racked up the miles over the last few years dont seem to be moaning as a new stadium for Ulster GAA is more important than the location.
duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts:137 - 04/11/2016 14:24:38

Having spoken with a good few Donegal, Derry, Cavan and Tyrone Gael's in the past 12 month about this, all preferred the much cheaper option of upgrading of more central location for the Provincial Stadium to Casement, so long as it had better roofing than the Pat McGrane side of Clones, good toilet facilities and well designed parking.

All agreed that a prior to this year, and prior to the announcement of Casement, a proper discussion didn't appear to have taken place about the location. The location from the get go was only Casement, and the GAA never considered anything else, regardless of whether other options where better or worst. After listening to my alternative, all of them but for one favoured an alternative proposal.

I would be of the opinion now, that if a well thought out alternative was put in front of the all of the Ulster Gael's, the majority of Gael's ( Apart from Antrim Gael's and maybe Down) would admit the alternative would be better for Ulster GAA moving forward.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 04/11/2016 23:53:01    1931724

There are so many confusing parts in that response Gary I don't know where to start. It seems you support building Casement Park but you don't like it being called the provincial stadium? You say things have not changed much in the last 40 years - I'd say the fact innocent people are not being shot simply for carrying a hurl or in the act of locking up their local gaa ground is a fairly big change, as is the removal of rule 21. Some from a unionist background believe they wouldn't be welcome in GAA clubs, I'm starting to understand why reading your posts. Only 2 of the 10 games in Ulster had more than 20000 people at them this year, there is plenty of room on the terraces for potential new fans so don't get so hung up on not fitting them all in on Ulster final day. Why should the GAA not be looking to get similar crowds at Antrim games as there are at Dublin games, a strong GAA scene in Belfast would benefit all of Ulster but you seem to want to ignore it. The fact that the only county fans who would travel east for a game in Omagh are Donegal fans and a small percentage of Tyrone fans, with all Antrim, Down, Armagh and the majority of Derry and Tyrone fans having to travel west shows the folly of a provincial ground at a halfway point between 2 land points.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 05/11/2016 09:06:52    1931761

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/11/2016 13:35:07    1931837

defense attorneys spend less time on murder trials than you have on this topic Gary, and they're usually payed very well for their efforts. for the sake of a stadium location that will be in use 4 or 5 times a year? is this what you get your kicks in life from? do you honestly think all these pages of debate on here make a difference to the bigger picture? will you be protesting outside the gates on opening night? i dont understand your motivation on this topic. serious first world problems if this occupies so much of your time.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 05/11/2016 14:22:44    1931847

There are so many confusing parts in that response Gary I don't know where to start. It seems you support building Casement Park but you don't like it being called the provincial stadium?

I support Antrim GAA having a quality County Ground ( Which I assume would be Casement), however I do not support that Stadium becoming the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, It's not suitable for that purpose. Now how is that really confusing?

You say things have not changed much in the last 40 years - I'd say the fact innocent people are not being shot simply for carrying a hurl or in the act of locking up their local gaa ground is a fairly big change, as is the removal of rule 21. Some from a unionist background believe they wouldn't be welcome in GAA clubs, I'm starting to understand why reading your posts.

Well "things" was probably too broad of a term when responding on this thread, I specifically meant things have not changed with regards to the Unionist opinion of the GAA. Most people of the Unionist background in Northern Ireland wouldn't dare set foot in a GAA ground, I know that for a fact, in fact a Unionist work colleague told me he wouldn't watch RTE.

Only 2 of the 10 games in Ulster had more than 20000 people at them this year, there is plenty of room on the terraces for potential new fans so don't get so hung up on not fitting them all in on Ulster final day.

I'm not hung up on that, I was actually responding to your comments regarding the East's potential for growth. My point stands that regardless of potential, only 34,000 will fit in regardless of potential growth.

Why should the GAA not be looking to get similar crowds at Antrim games as there are at Dublin games, a strong GAA scene in Belfast would benefit all of Ulster but you seem to want to ignore it.

You mean a strong Antrim will benefit all of Ulster like Dublin's sheer dominance post development investment has benefited Leinster? Better cut funding to Antrim in that case, bad example Soma.

The fact that the only county fans who would travel east for a game in Omagh are Donegal fans and a small percentage of Tyrone fans, with all Antrim, Down, Armagh and the majority of Derry and Tyrone fans having to travel west shows the folly of a provincial ground at a halfway point between 2 land points.
Soma (UK) - Posts:1641 - 05/11/2016 09:06:52 1

Soma there are two other directions in addition to East and West called North and South, and the meeting point of all four of these directions is referred to as a central point. You have got to be having a laugh here, I don't think you know Ulster at all. Where exactly are you from, as I thought you were Kerry originally. I think your nit picking here, none of your points over the last few days have supported the Casement project, your just getting caught up in East v West.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/11/2016 19:54:04    1931939

Lol - believe you me nothing you have said in any of your argument worries me in the slightest. Major hub. Well, not that major but a hub. Well, a hub that offers very little in Sunday service. Keep her coming. :-)
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3153 - 05/11/2016 13:35:07 193

Did you miss what I said about Public bus operators North & South offering "Special Services" for major public events, even if on a Sunday!!!!

You also ignored the comment about the significant amount of Private Bus Operators running services through Gaelic clubs, a key reason why few if any GAA fans would bother with public transport, like the Cavan poster alluded to.

Omagh being a major bus hub was only mentioned to dispel the myth that all travel originates from Belfast ( Which it doesn't), noting how it has links in all directions ( Which it does ).

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/11/2016 20:50:40    1931945

defense attorneys spend less time on murder trials than you have on this topic Gary, and they're usually payed very well for their efforts. for the sake of a stadium location that will be in use 4 or 5 times a year?

Lacking a strong argument to support the Casement Park proposal, you now resort to questioning why I would spend so much time on this topic.

is this what you get your kicks in life from?

Again, your focusing on me rather than the debate. Why get personal? I would be more concerned that between so many Antrim Posters, you have failed to even slightly justify the proposed Casement.

do you honestly think all these pages of debate on here make a difference to the bigger picture?

No, comments on here don't make a massive difference, although they will make some small difference, in a thought provoking way to those who are unaware of how weak this proposal is. Debating a seriously flawed project with a group of Antrim posters who are set to benefit the most from it in their own backyard is never going to produce a scenario where the Antrim posters admit the proposed Casement Park is a joke ( Even if deep down the know it is). But it does keep the debate alive and continuously highlights the flaws.

A few GAA Journalists and Pundits use these pages to inspire articles or gain valid points for the week ahead, so continuously highlighting how much of a joke this proposal really is "might" gain some public support.

will you be protesting outside the gates on opening night? i dont understand your motivation on this topic. serious first world problems if this occupies so much of your time.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:992 - 05/11/2016 14:22:44

No I genuinely believe it won't go ahead, and I wouldn't be protesting outside it if it did, sure it would be built and finished by that stage. Bit late to protest then. This project is wrong in so many different ways, it upsets me that those at the top of the GAA and indeed the Shinners have ruthlessly sought to force a project this flawed through without proper and thorough study.

The Antrim posters wouldn't be on here in force if they were 100% sure the project was unstoppable, I can understand It's a parochial project for them, but I am baffled they would continue to justify a project that is so fundamentally flawed at the most basic levels.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/11/2016 21:26:09    1931951

Gary your response is again so confusing iv given up trying to understand you. I did enjoy your bit about how you have changed the minds of so many people you have spoken to about this, you are clearly a better verbal communicator than written communicator as looking back over the thread I don't believe you have changed anyone's minds and from a wide number of counties. I would suggest that you shouldn't judge all unionists based on the views of one bitter co-worker. You were wrong when thinking I was from Kerry despite the clear evidence before you and though well-meaning you are wrong and incredibly short-sighted on this development as well.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 05/11/2016 22:50:09    1931958

Debating a seriously flawed project with a group of Antrim posters who are set to benefit the most from it in their own backyard is never going to produce a scenario where the Antrim posters admit the proposed Casement Park is a joke ( Even if deep down the know it is). But it does keep the debate alive and continuously highlights the flaws.

Then why are you pretty much a one man band on opposing this project? If Antrim posters are so blinded by their own bias then why isn't the rest of the country on here calling our bluff? If anything I've seen a lot more posters from outside Antrim challenge you, not us.

The Antrim posters wouldn't be on here in force if they were 100% sure the project was unstoppable, I can understand It's a parochial project for them, but I am baffled they would continue to justify a project that is so fundamentally flawed at the most basic levels.

I can only speak for myself , but the reason I post is because I see a poster bad mouthing the Casement area time and again with flawed perceptions of a place I clearly know a lot more about than him. But again I will say that was in the beginning, several years ago when this actually was a debate. Now I see you as more of a comedic figure and I don't take you very seriously. Which is a shame because I respect some of your points on other topics on here, but I do believe you've lost the complete run of yourself on this one. I see zero progress in what you call a debate, its comparable to a swimmer with one arm really.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 05/11/2016 22:59:18    1931961

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1057 - 05/11/2016 23:54:00    1931972

Then why are you pretty much a one man band on opposing this project? If Antrim posters are so blinded by their own bias then why isn't the rest of the country on here calling our bluff? If anything I've seen a lot more posters from outside Antrim challenge you, not us.

Why does it matter if I am one person supporting this? This is a forum, not an election or council chamber with one man one vote. This is a GAA forum where any and all matters can be discussed. How many threads do we see discussing topics along the lines of "Is this finally Mayo's year?", "Is Ulster football dead?". Some posters from outside of Antrim and Ulster have Indeed posed questions to me, but I have answered all factually and in detail.

I can only speak for myself , but the reason I post is because I see a poster bad mouthing the Casement area time and again with flawed perceptions of a place I clearly know a lot more about than him.

This is Incorrect, totally untrue, I have never bad mouthed Belfast City as a place, nor have I made ill-comments about people who reside there. Yet I have received numerous jibes about Derry and Derry people, about social welfare or how "we" in the rest of Ulster are happy enough coming to Belfast for jobs, yet object to the Stadium being located there. My arguments have been factual and based primarily on logistics, yet supported by other things.

But again I will say that was in the beginning, several years ago when this actually was a debate. Now I see you as more of a comedic figure and I don't take you very seriously. Which is a shame because I respect some of your points on other topics on here, but I do believe you've lost the complete run of yourself on this one. I see zero progress in what you call a debate, its comparable to a swimmer with one arm really.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:994 - 05/11/2016 22:59:18 1

The more I investigated this proposed Stadium project, the more I realised that people calling the shots don't give a rats arse about the average GAA fans who contribute so much to the organisation. This proposed Casement Park project was sold in a blaze of publicity to the GAA fraternity as almost the salvation of Ulster Football, bringing Gaelic Games in Ulster back to the bright lights of the big City with endless possibilities. But if you look beneath the surface of all this, serious questions were not asked, serious debates where not had.

I agree it is hardly a debate anymore, as a debate would see two decent arguments put forth and discussed. Yourself and others with a more parochial interest in Casement Park going ahead, having failed to surmount a credible argument to back up the current proposal, have resorted to personal jibes, or repeating that Casement is the only show in town and funding is conditional on the Stadium being in Belfast. While I have Indeed repeated the key points over and over, which I am happy to do in a bid to highlight the truth that Casement is not a suitable location for the Provincial Stadium of Ulster.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/11/2016 23:15:59    1932210

Why does it matter if I am one person supporting this? This is a forum, not an election or council chamber with one man one vote. This is a GAA forum where any and all matters can be discussed. How many threads do we see discussing topics along the lines of "Is this finally Mayo's year?", "Is Ulster football dead?". Some posters from outside of Antrim and Ulster have Indeed posed questions to me, but I have answered all factually and in detail.


because, if it was going to majorly impact many people like you claim it will then people would be on here displaying their outrage similarly to the lack of coverage of games etc but its mostly just you.

This is Incorrect, totally untrue, I have never bad mouthed Belfast City as a place, nor have I made ill-comments about people who reside there. Yet I have received numerous jibes about Derry and Derry people, about social welfare or how "we" in the rest of Ulster are happy enough coming to Belfast for jobs, yet object to the Stadium being located there. My arguments have been factual and based primarily on logistics, yet supported by other things.


There has been a clear ignorance from day one from you towards the Casement area and that's a fact. Fact two, I never once bad mouthed Derry, I know many people from there and have great respect for the GAA scene there but as usual you don't address me as an individual, just another 'parochial' Antrim poster, your favourite description!

The more I investigated this proposed Stadium project, the more I realised that people calling the shots don't give a rats arse about the average GAA fans who contribute so much to the organisation. This proposed Casement Park project was sold in a blaze of publicity to the GAA fraternity as almost the salvation of Ulster Football, bringing Gaelic Games in Ulster back to the bright lights of the big City with endless possibilities. But if you look beneath the surface of all this, serious questions were not asked, serious debates where not had.


if you can't see the big picture in all of this I guess you'll be here another three years on your own, crying foul!

I agree it is hardly a debate anymore, as a debate would see two decent arguments put forth and discussed. Yourself and others with a more parochial interest in Casement Park going ahead, having failed to surmount a credible argument to back up the current proposal, have resorted to personal jibes, or repeating that Casement is the only show in town and funding is conditional on the Stadium being in Belfast. While I have Indeed repeated the key points over and over, which I am happy to do in a bid to highlight the truth that Casement is not a suitable location for the Provincial Stadium of Ulster.

I think you've highlighted why nobody wants to continue this debate that never gets anywhere. You've made your points, other people have made theirs, what more is there to be said? you seem to think because people don't debate you seriously anymore that you've claimed some sort of victory in all this. Its a bit like two kids having an argument and the one that shouts the loudest claims to be the winner. Maybe you like watching the same film every day but most people don't and get bored quickly.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 07/11/2016 09:32:12    1932255

Guys, ye are arguing about 2 slightly different things from what I can see.


I don't claim to speak for the majority on this issue, but the general feeling I get is that most agree with upgrading Casement but do not want the Ulster final to be moved there. I would share that opinion.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 07/11/2016 11:16:01    1932303

because, if it was going to majorly impact many people like you claim it will then people would be on here displaying their outrage similarly to the lack of coverage of games etc but its mostly just you.

I could also state that the only Ulster people on here supporting in a big way are the Antrim posters, as I am not the only poster not in favour of Casement being the Provincial Stadium.

Unless you look into it, this proposal has been presented in a well varnished and polished manner, hiding quite a number of issues and flaws that were never looked at to begin with. I am one of the very few to have look at the Casement Park Proposal in great depth, and realised it is complete shambles of a project.

There has been a clear ignorance from day one from you towards the Casement area and that's a fact.

No there hasn't, you've played the victim card on the illusion that everybody from outside Belfast hates West Belfast. Ignoring the key point that some people do not favour West Belfast because of its geographical unsuitability.

Fact two, I never once bad mouthed Derry, I know many people from there and have great respect for the GAA scene there but as usual you don't address me as an individual, just another 'parochial' Antrim poster, your favourite description!


Antrim posters on here supporting the Casement Park Proposal have attacked Derry people and people from the rest of Ulster numerous times, when failing to counter hard facts about flaws in Casement Park. These comments are on this very thread.

As I was born and live in Derry City, I was even asked "Would you prefer if Derry's home games were all played in Owenbeg, being more central and all?", clearly the thinking was that I would favour Celtic Park which is 3 minutes from my doorstep. However while Celtic Park is handy for me personally, It is not the best option for Derry GAA. It hasn't helped the game grow in Derry City, and had definitely impacted support turn out from other parts of County Derry.

I do refer to you both collectively and Individually as "Parochial Antrim posters", with "parochial" accurately stated to highlight the main reason you are all so passionate about this project, because it will be on you doorstep. None of you have put forward facts to support this being the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, you have all put forward Parochial reasons, talking of the benefits to the local area.

if you can't see the big picture in all of this I guess you'll be here another three years on your own, crying foul!

The thing is, I am no more on my own that the same Antrim posters who are on here supporting this project.

I think you've highlighted why nobody wants to continue this debate that never gets anywhere. You've made your points, other people have made theirs, what more is there to be said? you seem to think because people don't debate you seriously anymore that you've claimed some sort of victory in all this. Its a bit like two kids having an argument and the one that shouts the loudest claims to be the winner. Maybe you like watching the same film every day but most people don't and get bored quickly.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:997 - 07/11/2016 09:32:12

Do you not see the Irony in how your all one here everyday debating this, even though you say nobody wants to continue this debate anymore!!

Looking from a neutral standpoint at building a Provincial Stadium to cater for the needs of the 9 Counties of Ulster, who will all regularly use it, I easily won the debate on whether the proposed Casement Park is the most suitable or carefully thought out, as this current Casement Park proposal has never once considered the logistics involved for the people of the 9 Counties who will use it.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/11/2016 13:55:18    1932370

Guys, ye are arguing about 2 slightly different things from what I can see.


I don't claim to speak for the majority on this issue, but the general feeling I get is that most agree with upgrading Casement but do not want the Ulster final to be moved there. I would share that opinion.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2047 - 07/11/2016 11:16:01 193

Basically yes, you hit the nail on the head.

I don't mind Casement getting a face-lift, being converted into a decent County Ground. But ultimately it is not a suitable location for a Provincial Stadium of Ulster, which Ulster GAA and the National GAA clearly intend it to be.

Many of the people favour Casement Park, and who despise the long trip to Clones, are basically in favour of Casement because it is on their own doorstep or relatively close to where they live.

My argument is that if a Stadium is intended to be a Provincial Stadium, with the purpose of serving a whole Province (9 Counties), then It's location should reflect that and consider the people from all corners.
- Clones itself could be upgraded to 40,000+ for £20 million with great facilities added.
- Healy Park in Omagh could be upgraded to 35,000+ capacity for £25 million.

I find it strange that people are so hostile to me asking "Why are we spending £77 million ( €86 million) on a unsuitable Stadium in the extreme east of the province, that offers little improvement on logistical travel, and no improvement in Capacity or parking to Clones".

McHale Park in Mayo added a magnificent 10,000 capacity all seater Main Stand, and upgraded the facilities around that entire 42,000 Capacity ground for €20 million. With basically zero inflation since then, could we not get better value for this money?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/11/2016 14:14:50    1932376

You're right Gary, black is really white.... now does that sooth your desire to be always right or does your ego need massaged a touch more!

Oh and the only Antrim man to have bad mouthed Derry or any other ulster county in was UM.

Its worrying though to hear you are the only one to have looked into the project in detail.....I really don't know what the design team who are currently sitting less than 20 yards from me are doing.

But hey i'll forward your contact details sure if you want, ive no doubt they'll be delighted to hear from you and your faultless proposal

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 07/11/2016 14:36:36    1932389