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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Just have a read of this Gary. Will save me a lot of technical jargon you make not be familiar with: I" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtogeek.com/148664/how-and-why-all-devices-in-your-home-share-one-ip-address/" I addressed this earlier, but my post didn't make it onto the thread. My point stands, I sometimes log on to HS through my work Desktop, or one of three travel laptops. When I am at home, I can log on via one of the laptops or tablets using Wi-Fi or tethering from my mobile phone data, I don't need to spew the technical jargon, as if you read what I just wrote, you will start to see why an IP address is not a guaranteed trace. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/06/2016 20:43:35 1863872 Link
GaryMc82 if you look out the window quick you will see a 6ft Bunny stealing a chicken. Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 09/06/2016 08:45:28 1864001 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "I addressed this earlier, but my post didn't make it onto the thread. My point stands, I sometimes log on to HS through my work Desktop, or one of three travel laptops. When I am at home, I can log on via one of the laptops or tablets using Wi-Fi or tethering from my mobile phone data, I don't need to spew the technical jargon, as if you read what I just wrote, you will start to see why an IP address is not a guaranteed trace." lol - I am aware of that but take me as a case study. I go on the internet on 3 devices. Tablet and phone at home and when time during the day on work laptop. When at home I am connected through the wifi so thats one IP. I have a static and VPN IP on my work so it will be one of two IPs if I post on the laptop (depending on whether at home or in office working). So the majority of my posts will have the same 3 fingerprints - there may be the odd one which was posted while out and about but to be honest I rarely use the internet on the phone. It wouldn't be that hard for those 3 IPs to be checked against the IPs of other posts to see if there is any crossover. And given that most peoples internet usage would be similar to mine I would imagine, then it's not that hard to build up a profile of IPs/User and then as I say when you have that information you don't have to be some sort of Sherlock to see if people are using different usernames. If the moderators are happy to give me Admin Privileges then I will do the needful and get back to you. Though how can you then trust me that I am not the phantom multiposter........ mwahaa haaa haaa Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/06/2016 10:42:37 1864058 Link
I do not think that Casement Park is the right place for the provincial stadium but the decision is made now and everyone should get behind it to make it a success. Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 09/06/2016 11:25:01 1864097 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "lol - I am aware of that but take me as a case study. I go on the internet on 3 devices. Tablet and phone at home and when time during the day on work laptop. When at home I am connected through the wifi so thats one IP. I have a static and VPN IP on my work so it will be one of two IPs if I post on the laptop (depending on whether at home or in office working). So the majority of my posts will have the same 3 fingerprints - there may be the odd one which was posted while out and about but to be honest I rarely use the internet on the phone. It wouldn't be that hard for those 3 IPs to be checked against the IPs of other posts to see if there is any crossover. And given that most peoples internet usage would be similar to mine I would imagine, then it's not that hard to build up a profile of IPs/User and then as I say when you have that information you don't have to be some sort of Sherlock to see if people are using different usernames. If the moderators are happy to give me Admin Privileges then I will do the needful and get back to you. Though how can you then trust me that I am not the phantom multiposter........ mwahaa haaa haaa" I know at least 7 people from work who be on the Hoganstand site, I don't know how many of those if any contribute to the forum. But that in itself would blur the lines in terms of fingerprints, and make it very difficult to prove anything. There are just too many variables at work in this type of thing to make a concrete case, unless its somebody who is using the same router for everything. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/06/2016 12:05:41 1864134 Link
Whether it is the right place or not you are bang on in that it is a decision which is happening - which is why I have disengaged from serious debate on it long time back. Now, if for some reason Casement falls through then I am more than happy to debate where is the best location to put a new stadium. Belfast would still be a strong runner on the fact of every positive already pointed out but of course you will have other locations, like Garys proposal, that would be put forward and at the point of 'candidates' are proposed then we could have a real good debate about it. In my mind in such situation I would look at all the information on each site independently and make a decision in my head based on which makes the most sense, both from a sporting and sustainability viewpoint. If this turns out to be near Omagh or the likes then I would say go build it there and put my weight behind that. Contrary to what Gary thinks my views on this have never been Parochial as previously said, if I was then I would be looking for it closer than it currently is (1 hour in normal traffic). In the same way that I think Dublin is the correct place for Croke Park to be located despite its lack of centrality. Anyway, there is only one show in town at the moment so embrace it rather than hate it. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/06/2016 12:10:16 1864141 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "I know at least 7 people from work who be on the Hoganstand site, I don't know how many of those if any contribute to the forum. But that in itself would blur the lines in terms of fingerprints, and make it very difficult to prove anything. There are just too many variables at work in this type of thing to make a concrete case, unless its somebody who is using the same router for everything." Maybe I am just more of a genius that I give myself credit for then Gary. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/06/2016 12:18:40 1864152 Link
Replying To Tom1916: "I do not think that Casement Park is the right place for the provincial stadium but the decision is made now and everyone should get behind it to make it a success." Nothing has been done as of yet that can't be undone, decisions should be scrutinised before they are implemented to ensure we don't make a massive mistake. I would like the following - A lower cost, less frills Stadium which would still suit all our needs in terms of capacity and basic facilities. - A central location somewhere between Omagh/Ballygawley/Dunagannon, with faster access in all directions for all GAA fans in Ulster. - Truck loads of soil brought from all 9 counties to make the pitch, ensuring every county plays on home soil when they play there. I've never had an issue with Antrim getting a new or upgraded County Ground, but I do have an issue with the GAA replacing a Provincial ground in the extreme south of the province, with one in the extreme east. And I am shocked that the GAA have bent over to the needs to the British Government so easily, not even looking at alternative venues that might serve the Ulster Gael's more efficiently. The GAA will get the money regardless, as the British have given the soccer and rugby crowds money already and must be even handed. So why not at least carry out a study on what would be best for the Ulster GAA fans, the fans who contribute millions every year to the Ulster GAA and who travel to the actual games. If the GAA went back and said "Belfast isn't the best location for a Provinicial Ground, but Omagh is", the political powers will fight it, but will have to cave in if the GAA are adament. We should remember that the British Governement and the IRFU need GAA Stadiums to host the 2023 Rugby World Cup, the main reason this funding is being dished out at all. Perhaps we have more leverage that some would have you believe, but lack strong willed men to fight our corner. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/06/2016 12:25:23 1864161 Link
Offside_Rule The Antrim posters collectively gave your argument a parochial feel, I speak of the number of posters from Antrim in favour of this proposal, while few other Ulster Gael's have been. You may disagree, but the number of Antrim posters backing this reeked of parochial bias, as none offered any viable argument, instead preferring sneering attacks. Even here you basically suggest you refuse to have a serious debate because it is currently going ahead, even though this project has more hold ups than a car trip up Ardee's main st. Croke Park became our National Stadium, the largest Stadium in the Country, hosting events like the Special Olympics and events with an International element, making it beneficial to have such a Stadium in our Capital, because of the International airport and hotels and Inter-city facilities that International guests and events normally require. Yes If I was starting from scratch, developing a new road network across the Island of Ireland, there are things I would seek to change, but we are a century in and this is too late to restart once it is all built. A Provincial Stadium doesn't require such things, It's primary use will be to host Provincial Hurling & Football Games within the 9 Counties of Ulster. It's primary users will not require hotel's, airports or shopping mall's, they ideally will live an hour or so away, will either travel by car or bus and travel home after the game normally. This is not an International Stadium, It is a Provincial Stadium. This stadium has not gone ahead, its planning was rejected and it is currently in the process of re-submitting the planning. To me, this whole thing is still open to debate. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/06/2016 13:03:26 1864204 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "Maybe I am just more of a genius that I give myself credit for then Gary." Maybe you're just more stationary than most GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/06/2016 14:02:20 1864241 Link
Even here you basically suggest you refuse to have a serious debate because it is currently going ahead, even though this project has more hold ups than a car trip up Ardee's main st. The majority of Olympics, World Cups etc etc have difficulties or delays in getting stadia built. I can't recall them scrapping the place they were intending to have it and go with somewhere else. As I say, until the current Casement Park project has been torn up then I am not engaging in serious debate. If you go back to the day this topic came up again on the forum radar I made this clear in my opening post. Yet you still start to bring up the exact same arguments then claim victory over others here when you wipe the floor with them. If you are that keen to have this debate I have an idea. Go back to page 1, post 1 and start reading. For realism you could even leave it 20 minutes or half hour between posts. Pretend you are having the debate in real time. That should keep you going for a number of days if you plan it out well enough. I have more pressing matters to attend to. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/06/2016 14:57:40 1864285 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "Even here you basically suggest you refuse to have a serious debate because it is currently going ahead, even though this project has more hold ups than a car trip up Ardee's main st. The majority of Olympics, World Cups etc etc have difficulties or delays in getting stadia built. I can't recall them scrapping the place they were intending to have it and go with somewhere else. As I say, until the current Casement Park project has been torn up then I am not engaging in serious debate. If you go back to the day this topic came up again on the forum radar I made this clear in my opening post. Yet you still start to bring up the exact same arguments then claim victory over others here when you wipe the floor with them. If you are that keen to have this debate I have an idea. Go back to page 1, post 1 and start reading. For realism you could even leave it 20 minutes or half hour between posts. Pretend you are having the debate in real time. That should keep you going for a number of days if you plan it out well enough. I have more pressing matters to attend to." If your not engaging in serious debate, why bother debating on this thread full stop? That makes it sound like your sole purpose on here is to ridicule and deride my argument, which would suggest there is something in my argument you feel threatened by and feel the need to come on here and argue against. I did wipe the floor with the Antrim profile OSO, it wasn't hard really OSO was reduced to making personal attacks and failed to remain calm and debate the actual topic. As for victory, I did claim a year or so back that I won the debate against the Antrim posters, as nobody was able to counter my points successfully and almost all ended up attacking me for for sticking to my point. My understanding is that there never was a debate with regards Casement becoming the new Provincial stadium, it was forced through under threat of losing the funding. I'm happy enough to keep the raising the issue every so often, I have nothing to lose in that regard. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 09/06/2016 18:05:59 1864391 Link
lol - no bother. Sure resurrect it again in a few months when it is back in the news again. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/06/2016 18:08:48 1864394 Link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37751753 Ding ding ding, seconds out, round 2........ Have to say, it looks some stadium. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 24/10/2016 13:46:36 1928638 Link
Looks deadly hopefully it gets built. I'd love a Dublin game up there. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/10/2016 14:41:27 1928646 Link
Looks fantastic. I have to admit it'll be awfully strange going to an Ulster final and not walking that hill in Clones but this is a good move for the future, especially if they want to promote and grow GAA in Belfast. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 24/10/2016 15:43:01 1928659 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: " Replying To Offside_Rule: "Even here you basically suggest you refuse to have a serious debate because it is currently going ahead, even though this project has more hold ups than a car trip up Ardee's main st. The majority of Olympics, World Cups etc etc have difficulties or delays in getting stadia built. I can't recall them scrapping the place they were intending to have it and go with somewhere else. As I say, until the current Casement Park project has been torn up then I am not engaging in serious debate. If you go back to the day this topic came up again on the forum radar I made this clear in my opening post. Yet you still start to bring up the exact same arguments then claim victory over others here when you wipe the floor with them. If you are that keen to have this debate I have an idea. Go back to page 1, post 1 and start reading. For realism you could even leave it 20 minutes or half hour between posts. Pretend you are having the debate in real time. That should keep you going for a number of days if you plan it out well enough. I have more pressing matters to attend to." If your not engaging in serious debate, why bother debating on this thread full stop? That makes it sound like your sole purpose on here is to ridicule and deride my argument, which would suggest there is something in my argument you feel threatened by and feel the need to come on here and argue against. I did wipe the floor with the Antrim profile OSO, it wasn't hard really OSO was reduced to making personal attacks and failed to remain calm and debate the actual topic. As for victory, I did claim a year or so back that I won the debate against the Antrim posters, as nobody was able to counter my points successfully and almost all ended up attacking me for for sticking to my point. My understanding is that there never was a debate with regards Casement becoming the new Provincial stadium, it was forced through under threat of losing the funding. I'm happy enough to keep the raising the issue every so often, I have nothing to lose in that regard." Have to agree, it was another SF vanity project concocted to extract the max from the brits after not getting the maze project. All the money banged into Belfast with the GAA to top it up and to hell with the rest of Ulster. From sitting at briefing meetings no other project was even considered with the complete 65million quid going into casement, where as rugby and soccer developed their main stadia at winsdor and ravenhill with a large % also being spent on upgrading safety at club grounds and also to grass roots for coaching etc. No amount of whining from Antrim gaels will change the fact that SF were the drivers of the project to invest in their heartland. Does Ulster GAA need a 38k seater stadium that will lie empty most of the year and now due to incompetence, sheer arrogance and the commitment to spend all in Casement and the amount of time wasted on this vanity project, it will now have to compete with the oddysee, waterfront, and now Windsor park to lure big music acts or other events to generate the income to pay back Croke Park and to at least try to make the place viable long term. No point raking over old ground, it was brit money to be spent in the still occupied 6 not in Uladh and there was ever only going to be 1 show in town with the then sf holding court with the dup. On saying that yes it looks good but by jaysus it was hard enough to get out of before what will it not be like when and IF it is built. Then again now it's muted to be central to the Irish bid for the rugby world cup bid, you can be sure it will be passed one way or the other. bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 24/10/2016 16:17:45 1928670 Link
Looks good! Hopefully they can get the ball rolling soon. A modern stadium in the country's second city is a must for the GAA imo. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 24/10/2016 17:12:51 1928686 Link
Reduction in capacity has allowed it to get the green light. Apparently due for completion by 2019. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 24/10/2016 18:19:38 1928698 Link
Replying To Offside_Rule: "http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37751753 Ding ding ding, seconds out, round 2........ Have to say, it looks some stadium." It'd remind you a bit of the Allianz Arena. I wonder can they get the outside to light up in saffron when Antrim are playing at home? The AA is spectacular when lit up in red or blue. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 24/10/2016 18:33:41 1928702 Link