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Is this more Brolly divisiveness? Who made the "One trick pony" comment? Martin somebody? Anyway, both great footballers, but Peter Canavan was far more versatile and was the best I have seen perhaps. Even as an analyst Canavan is better. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 06/02/2020 10:40:46 2265614 Link 2 |
Canavan and its not even close brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 06/02/2020 11:21:40 2265633 Link 3 |
Whatever about as a player, but Canavan is not a good analyst.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 06/02/2020 11:45:49 2265640 Link 1 |
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 06/02/2020 13:23:53 2265663 Link 0 |
Matty Forde
hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 06/02/2020 13:56:04 2265673 Link 0 |
Aye but gooch will be in his mid 50s by then ;)
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 06/02/2020 16:37:48 2265718 Link 2 |
To be honest it's an interesting debate and nobody can deny they were great players. In fact if the debate was widened I'd have had at least three or four forwards ahead of Gooch that played in the last 30 years but would select Canavan everytime. Stephen O'Neill, Sean Cavanagh, Maurice Fitz, Declan O'Sullivan, Steven McDonnell, Trevor Giles, Graham Gergerty were better forwards than Gooch who benefited from playing for a great media loved Kerry team. It's hard to talk about individual players but those players really stood up when their teams were under pressure and did something in an All Ireland final to change the way that game was going. Gooch might have outscored Canavan in 2005 but Tyrone were second best until that goal, changing the whole direction of that game - all the players I mentioned did the same to win All Ireland's. Gooch was the most skillful player ever but to me was a luxury player who stood out when Kerry were comfortable in games but when Kerry struggled he was nowhere to be seen. Canavan got beat around the field for a decade due to his statue but individually dragged Tyrone through many battles. If I had to select forwards at their peak the players I mentioned would be ahead of Gooch due to their record in competing in genuine knife edge battles - just an opinion. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 06/02/2020 16:54:31 2265723 Link 1 |
I believe the one-trick pony comment was made about James O'Donoghue, not Gooch.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 06/02/2020 17:24:48 2265729 Link 0 |
Two great players how would you pick one over the other. Themall1916 (Kerry) - Posts: 98 - 06/02/2020 17:56:01 2265738 Link 1 |
Declan O'Sullivan was a very different type of player, which is why he's rarely directly compared. He had an ability to carry the ball on very long runs, which neither Canavan nor Gooch did regularly. He covered a lot more ground and did more of the leg work, but was also an excellent scorer when on the end of moves. O'Sullivan was a joy to watch and he took some amount of punishment over the years due to his style. He was targeted regularly when playing for his club too as he pretty much carried Piarsaigh na Droimide for much of his career. Gooch, Canavan, Joyce, Forde, Browne although different would be categorised similarly, but I'd have O'Sullivan in a different bracket of forward. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 06/02/2020 18:04:01 2265741 Link 0 |
No.. Martin Mc Hugh said gooch was a one trick pony when comparing o'donoghue and gooch..he actually said o'donoghue was the better player!!!
jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 06/02/2020 18:34:00 2265747 Link 0 |
I stand corrected. Although I see the actual quote was a "two-trick pony". Twice the player. :) WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 06/02/2020 18:56:36 2265754 Link 1 |
Canavan is the Michael Jordan of Gaelic maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 06/02/2020 21:14:30 2265785 Link 1 |
Interesting how Canavan had to drag Tyrone through all these games on his own yet you name two teammates from the same forward line that were better than Cooper? Does not compute Sam. As for getting beat around the field do you think Cooper was playing tag football? He was kicked to bits his entire career, never mind his on-field eye surgery in the 2005 final, yet nobody was more prolific from play during his time in football, a lot of the guys you listed depended heavily on frees, including Canavan. Anyway, happy enough to disagree on it. My opinion is no more valid than your but I do think you are cherry picking some of the criteria and massively understating his contribution in the finals that he played in. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/02/2020 21:14:44 2265786 Link 3 |
People are always bring up how Copper didn't do it in big games etc What games are they talking about? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 06/02/2020 22:35:51 2265812 Link 0 |
Fair points...Those Kerry teams don't get the credit for beating Mayo in finals because ye hammered us out the gate (we beat Tyrone in the quarter in 04) and possibly because we are seen as a joke or something to mock in finals. In recent years I've seen comments about he great Dublin team by people saying "ah they could only beta Mayo by a point after a replay twice....." Fact is people will always try to belittle the achievements of a team instead of celebrate it. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 06/02/2020 23:54:46 2265837 Link 4 |
Ha ha, It didn't take long for this thread to go all North Korea: TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/02/2020 11:04:03 2265905 Link 5 |
I'm shocked at all the votes for Canavan. When I saw this thread I thought it would be overwhelmingly in favour of Cooper. There's always a subconscious bias against Kerry in these types of discussions because they've had so much success and them having so many great players in so many different eras. Because Gooch was not that much better than Sheehy or Fitzgerald should not take away from the fact that he is the most gifted forward any of us have ever seen. Because Canavan and his Tyrone team were so much better than any other Tyrone player and team should not falsely inflate their status. They were great but certainly not the best we have seen. Mailman98 (Galway) - Posts: 319 - 07/02/2020 15:24:47 2265961 Link 1 |
Its mad Cooper never won footballer of the year, Canavan won it 1995 if my memory is right, i could be corrected on that though. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/02/2020 15:45:41 2265971 Link 2 |
I wouldn't say the bias against Kerry is subconscious. It's a full time occupation for many on here. Better to be hated than ignored I think is the saying GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/02/2020 17:10:14 2265991 Link 4 |