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Why don't you debate the topic or stay away from his/her threads?
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 23/11/2019 18:34:42 2251011 Link 1 |
Thanks.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 23/11/2019 20:24:17 2251026 Link 0 |
I did and do but making point about omahant posting so many threads on the same topic- all Ireland football championship formats- and these could be better suited to just one thread rather than loads!!
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 23/11/2019 21:37:03 2251038 Link 0 |
How about a revision to that 12-match schedule - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 23/11/2019 23:26:08 2251057 Link 0 |
But what if an idea is so different to the last that it shouldn't be just on the same thread? And does that mean everyone else should do the same? Or maybe should everyone's ideas about championship formats go into one big thread?
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 24/11/2019 08:37:54 2251071 Link 0 |
Some of the ideas would be lost in the 1 thread, it's no harm starting new threads imo
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 24/11/2019 09:23:22 2251072 Link 1 |
Maybe but do we need separate threads for everyone of his ideas when so many are so similar. At least one thread you can compare them directly within the thread and looks far better as well
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 24/11/2019 16:16:28 2251129 Link 0 |
There's actually quite a variety - like the following two - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 24/11/2019 18:12:35 2251146 Link 0 |
Why focus on such convoluted proposals when its basic tweaks that are needed. Straight knockout and keeping qualifiers and provincial cups in same role. Provincial competitions should be stand alone but winners guaranteed spot in latter stages of all Ireland if not qualified from group stage. Play league through year rather than shoehorned into first quarter fo the year. No replays at any stage and have proper club only periods. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 24/11/2019 18:25:27 2251149 Link 0 |
To Whammo86 - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 24/11/2019 18:57:51 2251154 Link 0 |
It's not any better. There's a good few reasons why it wouldn't work. The handicap should go. You have the final round of games. The team ranked 8th in A v the team ranked 13th in B. The team from B could be disadvantaged for next year by winning the match. The integrity of the competition can be undermined by them throwing the game. That's a narrow example but it illustrates a huge flaw in the system. Competitive integrity is way more important than competitive balance in my eyes. I know that in any league that you can have teams where the result can mean more to one team than the other. It's not ideal but is the price paid to facilitate more games. To have a team actively incentivised to lose is a whole other ball game. I also hate that you like tournaments where teams are on the same ladder who have never played one another. I just don't like this at all. You do it to avoid repeat pairings further along. I think regular group play where teams are ranked against the teams they've actually played is better. The first knockout rounds are always cross group games and that's enough. My preferred structures for the All Ireland's in both codes is influenced by an idea of yours. Where seeded unique groups are created in the hurling competition out of the Provincial championships. Similar seeded groups can be created in football. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 25/11/2019 10:50:10 2251268 Link 9 |
Thanks Whammo86 for taking the time on your detailed critique - good to have an intelligent springboard. That 13th team would surely try if I made each Conf a 'KO 11' (3 QF Playoffs before Conf QFs, but then, I don't like 5 KO Rds). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 25/11/2019 12:32:49 2251295 Link 0 |
Hey, Wham - how timely, NBA innovations attached - even as a successful brand, the tanking issue you emphasise has led to this latest innovation - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 26/11/2019 00:45:13 2251461 Link 0 |
There's a lot of variables. It's tricky, you want to provide teams with good games but not have them all be low impact games. NBA has a lot of low impact games with the number of regular season games and high number of regular season qualifiers. For GAA there's been a tradition of high impact knockout championship competitions. It's less suitable now though given the training demands on players they deserve a better season. You also have the protected nature of the Provincials. The best I can come up with is Feb and March Club provincials and All Ireland. Take them out of the depths of winter. Development/Pre Season inter county competitions played with players not involved with their clubs. April/May Inter county Provincial Championships. Club competitions can start also, if a team is knocked out early or has a gap between rounds, county boards have the option to allow county players to play with their clubs. June/July Tight schedule of inter county All Ireland group action. 2 groups of 8 in football in each tier. Club competitions will be without county players August Intercounty knockout rounds. Club football can recommence with county players for counties eliminated from All Ireland. September and October finish up club activity. Break Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 26/11/2019 13:55:12 2251551 Link 9 |
"Club competitions can start also, if a team is knocked out early or has a gap between rounds" omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 27/11/2019 02:10:23 2251712 Link 0 |
I just don't understand why county isn't run like club. 3 grades of 10, 10 and 12 with two groups of 5 or 6. More competitive matches for lower grades, more high profile clashes at senior for the TV gurus. Top two into a semi, max of 7 games, relegation for the bottom teams in each group in respective grade. win your grade you move up. Run provincial competitions separately and league at the start of the year. scrap the likes of the FBD. Simple? Farnyarmy (Monaghan) - Posts: 5 - 27/11/2019 11:00:11 2251749 Link 0 |
Club system isnt set up that way in all counties tbh. But tiered intercounty is needed. I would run provincial competitions separately but not before this league based all Ireland even starts. Have provincial straight knock out no replays. Extra time and penalties to decide winners every few weeks between league based all Ireland. Could also have 32 county straight knock out all Ireland cup as well. Cutting out replays and having some weekends where you know for certain counties wont be playing allows more club games be played in summer with county players available KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 27/11/2019 11:43:46 2251758 Link 0 |
Club system isnt set up that way in all counties tbh. But tiered intercounty is needed. I would run provincial competitions separately but not before this league based all Ireland even starts. Have provincial straight knock out no replays. Extra time and penalties to decide winners every few weeks between league based all Ireland. Could also have 32 county straight knock out all Ireland cup as well. Cutting out replays and having some weekends where you know for certain counties wont be playing allows more club games be played in summer with county players available KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 27/11/2019 11:43:47 2251759 Link 0 |
I'd run them before because otherwise they will just become less regarded. You saw it in the Ulster hurling championship. Teams like Down and Derry prioritised the Ring competition ahead of the Provincials. Provincials given their own window, teams being able to use it as the ideal preparation opportunity ahead of the main competition. I think it could breath new life into the Provincials to be a season opener like that. They'd still be linked to the All Ireland weakly. Provincial champions only guaranteed a spot in tier 1 plus 10 next best from the previous season's tier 1 plus finalists from the previous season's tier 2. It keeps the magic of the Provincial championships but have a fairer AI competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 27/11/2019 17:35:58 2251837 Link 8 |
You are assuming they would be less regarded. Teams are training so much and just like any sport there would be some rotation in stronger sides squads they still wouldnt be less thought of than before. I dont see moving them to start of season bringing new life as they're just seen as pre season warm up. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 27/11/2019 17:53:22 2251843 Link 0 |