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HS Readers' Hurling Team Of The Year - Revealed

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Replying To gatha:  "All-Stars are to be taken with a grain of salt. If you look down through the years they usually are just talk for the winter. Or maybe just a week or so. 1998 Brian Whelahan was Hurler of the Year but didn't get an All-Star. DJ and Noel Hickey both got All-Stars after playing just 2 championship matches. Austin Gleeson got HOTY after being taken off in the Munster Final while Seamus Callinan had an exceptional year. How does every year go by and the most consistent hurler for the last decade never get a HOTY that is Paudric Maher of Tipp. These are only a few examples congrats to the winners but don't loose any sleep over it."
John Galvin was one of the two or three best midfielders in Ireland for a decade and undoubtedly the best midfielder in 2010 and he never even got one All Star. It is true they have long been a joke.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2341 - 01/11/2019 00:02:25    2246917

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What does anyone think of Loughnane's comments. He has a crude way of putting it but for me he's not far off the mark. Personally i don't agree with Padraig Walsh or Cathal Barrett being selected. I thought Paul Morris roasted Cathal Barrett in AI Semi Final, if i was Sheedy i would have taken him off to be honest. Was he that could in Munster, i really cant remember? Also i don't think Padraig Walsh had a good year. Was very poor in Leinster and All Ireland finals. Can't get an All Star after that.

John O Dwyer was unlucky, John McGrath also. He cleaned up in Munster and scored 3 points in All Ireland final. Sending off killed him i suppose.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 202 - 01/11/2019 08:35:47    2246929

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Incidentally the all star team was identical to the Sunday game team of the year

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 1719 - 01/11/2019 09:13:15    2246934

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "What does anyone think of Loughnane's comments. He has a crude way of putting it but for me he's not far off the mark. Personally i don't agree with Padraig Walsh or Cathal Barrett being selected. I thought Paul Morris roasted Cathal Barrett in AI Semi Final, if i was Sheedy i would have taken him off to be honest. Was he that could in Munster, i really cant remember? Also i don't think Padraig Walsh had a good year. Was very poor in Leinster and All Ireland finals. Can't get an All Star after that.

John O Dwyer was unlucky, John McGrath also. He cleaned up in Munster and scored 3 points in All Ireland final. Sending off killed him i suppose."
Fennelly baffled me, I think bubbles deserved it but I would have even picked Mullen, john Donnelly and rory o'connor before fennelly aswel

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 1719 - 01/11/2019 10:03:41    2246944

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According to the GAA website, Tipperary 'are represented in every line of the field". Did they mean to swap Bubbles in the half forward line for someone else and just forgot to make the change ?

GalwayMan (Galway) - Posts: 90 - 01/11/2019 12:45:17    2246980

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Walsh doesn't deserve an All Star, as for an out and out No3 it's Liam Ryan or Huw Lawler for me but sure they mix and match everyone to fit someone else in.

Paudie didn't play a whole pile of hurling at centre back that I could see this year irrespective of what number he'd on his back.

I always believe there's a formula at play here, two All Stars for a Leinster or Munster final win, maybe one for a National League title and then most for the AI winners and a few to the runners up.

Murphy is a decent enough shout for the keeper, Hogan was steady enough but for me the Wexford lad is going to be some keeper in the coming years.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2405 - 01/11/2019 14:50:42    2247006

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "What does anyone think of Loughnane's comments. He has a crude way of putting it but for me he's not far off the mark. Personally i don't agree with Padraig Walsh or Cathal Barrett being selected. I thought Paul Morris roasted Cathal Barrett in AI Semi Final, if i was Sheedy i would have taken him off to be honest. Was he that could in Munster, i really cant remember? Also i don't think Padraig Walsh had a good year. Was very poor in Leinster and All Ireland finals. Can't get an All Star after that.

John O Dwyer was unlucky, John McGrath also. He cleaned up in Munster and scored 3 points in All Ireland final. Sending off killed him i suppose."
Loughnane may have a point but as is often the case he is simply being negative without offering better alternatives - at least not in the excerpt quoted on HS (I don't buy his newspaper so I haven't read the full article). Which of the Tipp backs would he exclude and who would he put in their place? Besides, if the Tipp backline was so weak, then their forwards must have been brilliant to enable them win the All-Ireland. Should Loughnane then not question why Tipp have only one forward on the team while Kilkenny have two, but maybe consistent logic might not be his strong point.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 111 - 01/11/2019 19:10:15    2247048

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In fairness, if I'm a journalist or pundit and there's a deadline looming for 500 words for my editor, giving out about the All Stars is a handy way of filling out a page of waffle that's impossible to objectively prove wrong. It's the easiest, laziest commentary possible to say "I think X is better than Y".

It's like UK elections, where you can win seats on 25% of the vote. Sure you've more votes than anyone else, but it means that 75% of voters don't want you there. A vote on 3 players in a position in the All Stars could be split 34%-33%-33% , but only one of them can get the award, leaving the 66% unhappy and liable to give out!

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 01/11/2019 19:27:33    2247051

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Replying To bricktop:  "Walsh doesn't deserve an All Star, as for an out and out No3 it's Liam Ryan or Huw Lawler for me but sure they mix and match everyone to fit someone else in.

Paudie didn't play a whole pile of hurling at centre back that I could see this year irrespective of what number he'd on his back.

I always believe there's a formula at play here, two All Stars for a Leinster or Munster final win, maybe one for a National League title and then most for the AI winners and a few to the runners up.

Murphy is a decent enough shout for the keeper, Hogan was steady enough but for me the Wexford lad is going to be some keeper in the coming years."
Paudie just played very game bar one at centre back!
Huw Lawlor was never an all star this year. Could well be in the future but not a chance this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 01/11/2019 20:51:13    2247105

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Replying To GalwayMan:  "According to the GAA website, Tipperary 'are represented in every line of the field". Did they mean to swap Bubbles in the half forward line for someone else and just forgot to make the change ?"
No....tipp apparently haven't had a half forward line in years so in tipp we don't count that as a line on the field!!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 01/11/2019 20:52:28    2247106

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Replying To wexico15:  "Fennelly baffled me, I think bubbles deserved it but I would have even picked Mullen, john Donnelly and rory o'connor before fennelly aswel"
Mullen all day long! He was probably in the top 3 forwards in the country this year. Fennelly was just about Kks 3rd best

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 01/11/2019 20:53:35    2247108

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "What does anyone think of Loughnane's comments. He has a crude way of putting it but for me he's not far off the mark. Personally i don't agree with Padraig Walsh or Cathal Barrett being selected. I thought Paul Morris roasted Cathal Barrett in AI Semi Final, if i was Sheedy i would have taken him off to be honest. Was he that could in Munster, i really cant remember? Also i don't think Padraig Walsh had a good year. Was very poor in Leinster and All Ireland finals. Can't get an All Star after that.

John O Dwyer was unlucky, John McGrath also. He cleaned up in Munster and scored 3 points in All Ireland final. Sending off killed him i suppose."
O'Dwyer was utterly destroyed in the Munster and should have been off for a 'tackle' that was far worse than Ritchie Hogan's.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2341 - 01/11/2019 21:07:23    2247116

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "What does anyone think of Loughnane's comments. He has a crude way of putting it but for me he's not far off the mark. Personally i don't agree with Padraig Walsh or Cathal Barrett being selected. I thought Paul Morris roasted Cathal Barrett in AI Semi Final, if i was Sheedy i would have taken him off to be honest. Was he that could in Munster, i really cant remember? Also i don't think Padraig Walsh had a good year. Was very poor in Leinster and All Ireland finals. Can't get an All Star after that.

John O Dwyer was unlucky, John McGrath also. He cleaned up in Munster and scored 3 points in All Ireland final. Sending off killed him i suppose."
I didn't read the whole article but I take his point. Wexford probably should have at least two in the back 7 incl goal keeper. Tipp were all over the place in Limerick and for a lot of the semi final.
You have Reid and Fennelly who got theirs on some good games where as when Bubbles and Mcgrath have quiet games they seem to get judged differently. All 4 were quiet in certain games. Having said that the only change I'd have in the forwards is Mullen for Fennelly. Fennelly hasnt left the full forward position all year and hasnt played on the wing in a few years either.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 01/11/2019 22:36:24    2247141

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "O'Dwyer was utterly destroyed in the Munster and should have been off for a 'tackle' that was far worse than Ritchie Hogan's."
What tackle? Almost every player on this years team was destroyed at some point. Even the two limerick all stars - which I don't disagree with as all stars by the way.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 02/11/2019 12:35:28    2247214

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The perception was when Clare won the all Ireland in 2013 that it was a young mans game. Was that a once off?
Is this All Star team one of the oldest ever or close to it?
You could argue that Callanan,and Reid got close to their form of 3/4 years ago and Brendan Maher wasn't far off his young player of the year form. Paudie Maher to a lesser extent but no doubt he had a good year.
Patrick Horgan seems to keep getting better and he is 32/33 now too I believe. Have teams just managed to manage these players better or is the extra games and more consistency in games actually suiting some or most of them?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 02/11/2019 23:56:45    2247321

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Replying To tiobraid:  "What tackle? Almost every player on this years team was destroyed at some point. Even the two limerick all stars - which I don't disagree with as all stars by the way."
Do you think any Limerick player should have got an All-Star this year..?

hamstring (Limerick) - Posts: 285 - 05/11/2019 21:04:55    2247987

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Replying To hamstring:  "Do you think any Limerick player should have got an All-Star this year..?"
I said I dont disagree with the two guys that got an All-Star....
Two was about right for Limerick in my opinion

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2758 - 07/11/2019 20:29:17    2248434

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