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The Death Of The Long Range Point

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Replying To Joxer: "Yeah I'm struggling to think of players from the 80s who scored consistently from outside the 45. Jack O'Se had a shot on him, the Blue Panther also had a belt. In the 90s Jack Sheedy was known for the odd long distance effort for Dublin. Whelo also. Maurice for Kerry, Larry Tompkins comes to mind also. Not that many stand out in my memory." Ja Fallon for Galway would be one I reckon. Colm O Rourke got some wonderful points back in the day but cant rem how far out he was when getting them. He wasn't the only Meath man either. O'Domhnall and Walsh the Galway All Ire winning midfielders got some lovely points too. The fact that after all these years you can still remember them -- however vaguely -- getting great scores from distance shows how spectacular they felt at the time. Dont think too many scores in the modern game will be remembered in 30/40 years time. And I'm a hurling man so there's a reason for me not having a perfect memory regarding great gaelic football scores. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1901 - 06/09/2019 06:21:00 2233192 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "Colin Corkery is the player I remember most for long range scores. He kicked some monsters for both club and county." Absolutely. Forgot about Corkery. A beast of a player who could hit long range and was good from placed balls as well. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/09/2019 08:42:27 2233205 Link
Kevin Cassidy's point v Kildare was a cracker. Even better as it was a match winner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_BHhxAm3sM Dinosbar&grill (Dublin) - Posts: 23 - 06/09/2019 11:17:03 2233252 Link
Replying To BliainanÁir: "2 points for a score from play outside the 45 ;) Idea would be good but trying to ref it!" Some sort of sensor in the ball to gauge it was outside 45? A bit like a 3 pointer in basketball. Would make for a great finish to a game. Team is a point down, working it backwards to their 45 kicker, kinda like the last minute drop goal, running down the clock, in his hands, kicks, ball is up, up, up, sails between the posts for a one point win. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7324 - 06/09/2019 13:49:07 2233296 Link
Think it may be time for teams to use the old type of football to try and kick from outside the 45m line, the old type of ball the one that soaked up water when it landed in a puddle and it got heavy, that would strengthen our forwards to kick from long distance riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 06/09/2019 16:48:25 2233349 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Some sort of sensor in the ball to gauge it was outside 45? A bit like a 3 pointer in basketball. Would make for a great finish to a game. Team is a point down, working it backwards to their 45 kicker, kinda like the last minute drop goal, running down the clock, in his hands, kicks, ball is up, up, up, sails between the posts for a one point win." There's no ball sensor in basketball. The referee calls it as soon as the ball leaves the shooter's hands. I agree in principle that longer range efforts deserve more reward but it may encourage pot shots and there's nothing worse than seeing a string of hopeless sky rockets in a game. However it may change game strategy as a whole. In basketball the guards are generally the 3 point masters. It's one of their specialities so it may help to evolve strategy and encourage specialist skillsets. The guard in basketball generally tries to "get open" in a "pocket" of space waiting for an offload or "dish" from another player and then take the shot. The equivalent of guards in football is probably the half forwards or midfield. Potential in it I think but maybe I've gone to town on the b ball comparisons there. Much crossover in skillsets between the sports though. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/09/2019 18:18:55 2233362 Link
Apart from those already mentioned, Maurice Fitz, Ja Fallon, Colin Corkery, Larry Thompkins etc here are good long range shooters that spring to mind from the 1980s to the present. Ross Carr Down, Charlie Redmond Dublin, Mick Lawlor Laois, Seamus O'Neill Roscommon, Ciaran McDonald Mayo, Diarmuid Marsden Armagh, Anthony Tohill Derry, Ronan Carolan Cavan, Gerard Cavlan Tyrone, Eamonn O'Hara Sligo, Kevin O'Brien Wicklow, Martin Flanagan Westmeath, Mattie Forde Wexford, Johnny Doyle Kildare, Niall McNamee Offaly, Mike Frank Russell Kerry, Shea Fahy Cork, Ciaran O'Sullivan Cork. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 07/09/2019 01:44:30 2233403 Link
Replying To Joxer: "There's no ball sensor in basketball. The referee calls it as soon as the ball leaves the shooter's hands. I agree in principle that longer range efforts deserve more reward but it may encourage pot shots and there's nothing worse than seeing a string of hopeless sky rockets in a game. However it may change game strategy as a whole. In basketball the guards are generally the 3 point masters. It's one of their specialities so it may help to evolve strategy and encourage specialist skillsets. The guard in basketball generally tries to "get open" in a "pocket" of space waiting for an offload or "dish" from another player and then take the shot. The equivalent of guards in football is probably the half forwards or midfield. Potential in it I think but maybe I've gone to town on the b ball comparisons there. Much crossover in skillsets between the sports though." The main advantage would be a widening of the shooting zone that teams have to defend. It'd mean teams would have to defend in a higher block and create more space inside. I think it'd be an interesting enough experimental rule change. Having said that, the status quo is fine with me. There's nothing wrong in my book with teams having to work openings and are playing more smartly. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4193 - 07/09/2019 13:48:15 2233441 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The main advantage would be a widening of the shooting zone that teams have to defend. It'd mean teams would have to defend in a higher block and create more space inside. I think it'd be an interesting enough experimental rule change. Having said that, the status quo is fine with me. There's nothing wrong in my book with teams having to work openings and are playing more smartly." Would be interesting for sure. Colour the 45 line a luminous orange, even curve it slightly basketball style. Score from beyond it and it's two points. Policing might be tricky but I'm sure possible. It would add a great dimension to the game and potentially force defences out as you say. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/09/2019 15:08:24 2233444 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Would be interesting for sure. Colour the 45 line a luminous orange, even curve it slightly basketball style. Score from beyond it and it's two points. Policing might be tricky but I'm sure possible. It would add a great dimension to the game and potentially force defences out as you say." And players finding innovative ways of setting screens for the kicker to give them the vital split second to kick it accurately. Can't see them making screening legal but a player hand passing back close to the kicker could get in a defender's way. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7324 - 07/09/2019 17:47:06 2233454 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Would be interesting for sure. Colour the 45 line a luminous orange, even curve it slightly basketball style. Score from beyond it and it's two points. Policing might be tricky but I'm sure possible. It would add a great dimension to the game and potentially force defences out as you say." It's a great idea but would be a disaster policing Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 07/09/2019 17:54:45 2233456 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "It's a great idea but would be a disaster policing" For sure. That's why there are 2 refs in basketball on a playing surface a fraction of the size of a pitch but again why not 2 refs in GAA? If it brings more value to the game then no reason to stick with something just because it's traditional. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 07/09/2019 19:07:17 2233461 Link
Colm McFadden expert of a long range point. I can Remember Paul Flynn scoring a few nice long rangers aswell boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 08/09/2019 09:27:08 2233508 Link
Replying To boman11: "Colm McFadden expert of a long range point. I can Remember Paul Flynn scoring a few nice long rangers aswell" Conal Keaney too Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 08/09/2019 13:42:57 2233554 Link
With the death of the long range point The death of Leinster The death of football. ….Its a wonder you even bother at this point. You must feel you waste months of your life that you could be enjoying with your family posting and talking about a dead sport on here!! The game is great. The basic skills of the game on show for the most part have improved immeasurably and the old aimless hit and hope merchants from yesteryear have taken somewhat of a back seat while the best teams play a more methodical, patient, efficient game of ball. Its called moving with the times. If the cap fits and all that. Its great. Long may it continue. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 08/09/2019 15:11:46 2233566 Link
Replying To waynoI: "With the death of the long range point The death of Leinster The death of football. ….Its a wonder you even bother at this point. You must feel you waste months of your life that you could be enjoying with your family posting and talking about a dead sport on here!! The game is great. The basic skills of the game on show for the most part have improved immeasurably and the old aimless hit and hope merchants from yesteryear have taken somewhat of a back seat while the best teams play a more methodical, patient, efficient game of ball. Its called moving with the times. If the cap fits and all that. Its great. Long may it continue." Be interesting to see the appetite for the rules trialed in the league come the winter and whether they will be implemented into the Championship next year. Been a good championship this year in my opinion, very few teams playing with the blanket etc. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 08/09/2019 15:35:05 2233569 Link
Too much hand passing and basketball kerryforsam19 (Kerry) - Posts: 95 - 09/09/2019 22:13:29 2233995 Link
Replying To kerryforsam19: "Too much hand passing and basketball" This was a very commonly heard complaint in the late 70s and early 80s. The Kerry 4-in-a-row team perfected this style - they often moved the ball the entire length of the field without kicking the ball once and then finished it off with a hand-passed goal or point. Yet, some people on this thread like to maintain the delusion that players in those days were regularly belting the ball over the bar from 50+ yards. People will believe what they want I suppose. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 10/09/2019 00:53:29 2234011 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "This was a very commonly heard complaint in the late 70s and early 80s. The Kerry 4-in-a-row team perfected this style - they often moved the ball the entire length of the field without kicking the ball once and then finished it off with a hand-passed goal or point. Yet, some people on this thread like to maintain the delusion that players in those days were regularly belting the ball over the bar from 50+ yards. People will believe what they want I suppose." Nonsense we were and still masters of kick passing. kerryforsam19 (Kerry) - Posts: 95 - 10/09/2019 10:27:16 2234045 Link
Replying To kerryforsam19: "Nonsense we were and still masters of kick passing." Did you ever actually watch any games from that era? I am not denying that it was a great Kerry team with some fantastic individuals but the fact is that the style of play in those days involved an excessive amount of hand-passing and hand-passed scores (both goals and points). It was nothing like the long-ball catch and kick nirvana that people would like to imagine. i.e the whole premise of this thread is based on a complete fantasy. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 10/09/2019 17:52:03 2234166 Link