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David Gough To Referee The Final

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Replying To oneoff:  "For someone from Kildare you sure do worry about Dublin a lot...."
And you sure don't like Dublin -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 14/08/2019 22:35:21    2225852

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "Supermon here's a question for you.
David Gough is the second Slane GFC man to referee inter county football who was the first"
Not a clue!! Whoever reffed the row between St Patrick and the High King.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 14/08/2019 22:54:24    2225857

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David Gough is a very good referee and I have every confidence in him doing a fine job in the final. I am sympathetic to him as this controversy has taken from the great honor of being appointed to take charge of his first AI.
I've always regarded Kerry folk as being fair and sporting and indeed this row does not involve the Kerry management or players at all despite the conspiracy theories. It's about an ex manager with a bone of contention from the 2016 semi final supported by a few ex players and a small number of supporters.
The situations begs a statement from the Kerry County Board in the next few days accepting and welcoming Gough's appointment . It would be the classy thing to do and the Kingdom have always had an abundance of that. Time to draw a line , move on and focus on what I expect to be a well contested final.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 504 - 14/08/2019 22:59:37    2225859

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I think you're absolutely right

A day of celebration for him, his family and his club being absolutely tarnished. The worst part being that it's being done in such a highly publicized and open manner.

Unfortunately I've no doubt that he's fully aware of this absolute character assassination.

Let's not dress this up. That is exactly what is going on here."
The statements from Fitzmaurice and O'Mahony are designed to put pressure on David Gough, just like the statement from Seamus Moynihan last week about the need to protect David Clifford was intended to pressurise Maurice Deegan. This is Kerry" curehoorism" at its best. They should take a leaf out of Dublin's book. Several years ago, when the Dublin-Meath rivalry was very intense, they had no problem with Paddy Collins being appointed to referee a Leinster final against Meath, despite the fact that Collins is a Meath man, albeit living and working in Mullingar. They acknowledged that Collins was the best referee around, and it's a pity that Kerry can't be equally gracious in relation to David Gough.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 541 - 14/08/2019 23:26:37    2225865

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I think no one - especially Eamon Fitzmaurice - is questioning the honesty, character and dedication of David Gough or his credentials as a referee.

IT IS SIMPLY A QUESTION OF OPTICS AND PERCEPTION AND OF JUSTICE BEING SEEN TO BE DONE.

Quite often Judges have to withdraw from cases for the most obscure reasons. Why is that?

Up to a few years ago the referee for big games was almost always from a neutral province. Why was that?

In 2007 Dublin objected to a Kerry referee (Leinster final 2007 Dublin v Laois) on the basis that the Kerry referee and the Laois manager belonged originally to the same club in Kerry. Why did Dublin object?"
Judges withdraw cases for obscure reasons? What does a judge withdrawing a case for obscure reasons have to do with appointing a referee to a game of football?

Justice? What injustice has taken place? Justice has been seen to be done. David Gough was appointed based on merit. Happily some appointments , though not all appointments in Ireland are based on merit. Appointing a referee should be based solely on merit. For David Gough not to be appointed now would be the old backward cutehoorism winning again (something that has been a scourge in Ireland) and the ideal having a meritocracy in this country would suffer.

Referees being appointed from different provinces happened at a time when there was less scrutiny on referees performances and when things like the Railway Cup was still a big deal. Interprovincials are probably not even thought about anymore. Nowdays there is a team of people assessing every referee's performance, every free awarded and decision made. While yes I may have disagreed with the odd decision this referee has made from time to time, one thing i never questioned was his impartiality.

The scrutiny and questions being asked by Kerry people about this referee - about his life, employment and living situation is nothing short of a disgrace and dishonourable to the county of Kerry as a whole.

Go out play the game. If you win well done enjoy it, if ye lose take your beating like adults and don't be crying about it. Less of the underhand and unscrupulous commentary.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 15/08/2019 00:59:00    2225872

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Best man for the final. Great ref, will let the game flow."
"Will let the game flow"

What exactly does that mean?

I've heard it said more about Gough than any other ref.

And all I see in that is "he won't always apply the rules of the game".

Is that not the epitome of inconsistency?

An absolute nightmare for players in the biggest game of many of these players' lives.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 15/08/2019 04:26:34    2225876

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This will be such a mismatch, they could ref it between themselves and kerry will still be wiped out.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 15/08/2019 07:27:45    2225887

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Watch this RTE documentary "All Ireland Day" . Start watching at 8.50 mins. This is 3 days before the last final between Dublin and Kerry. The Dublin suits are giving a presentation to the Meath ref, highlighting incidents in earlier games involving Kerry. To me the implication is clear, don't give Kerry soft frees. A major incident in the game itself was "missed".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhNzf31pgc0

giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1217 - 15/08/2019 07:28:39    2225888

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Replying To oneoff:  "For someone from Kildare you sure do worry about Dublin a lot...."
How is that worrying about Dublin? I've made no secret about how I feel about Kerry. Youre the one talking about Dublin constantly. You're fooling nobody!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 15/08/2019 08:24:16    2225894

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When Kerry are beating you they love what you are doing promoting the gaa in your county,but once you step on their toes the niceties go out the window and the knives come out

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 15/08/2019 08:30:04    2225897

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This is one of the reasons why neutrals want Dublin to win, this Kerry gamesmanship !!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1671 - 15/08/2019 08:57:50    2225900

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I think no one - especially Eamon Fitzmaurice - is questioning the honesty, character and dedication of David Gough or his credentials as a referee.

IT IS SIMPLY A QUESTION OF OPTICS AND PERCEPTION AND OF JUSTICE BEING SEEN TO BE DONE.

Quite often Judges have to withdraw from cases for the most obscure reasons. Why is that?

Up to a few years ago the referee for big games was almost always from a neutral province. Why was that?

In 2007 Dublin objected to a Kerry referee (Leinster final 2007 Dublin v Laois) on the basis that the Kerry referee and the Laois manager belonged originally to the same club in Kerry. Why did Dublin object?"
Didn't know that about 2007, I wonder are the high horse brigade equally as outraged over that?

I've no difficulty with Gough doing this match personally. He is a good ref and I know he will do a good job. At the same time he lives and works in one of the participating counties and has admitted publicly to making critical errors that benefitted that county the last time they played. We have probably all seen the images of him posing with Dublin players and the Sam Maguire from years ago too, perfectly innocent I am sure, but not a good look for a high profile referee at the same time.

I simply cannot believe the selection committee did not see this coming, and that nobody on it didn't have the foresight, and frankly the cop on to ensure he sat this one out. It was easily avoidable. It's understandable that everyone's ire is directed at Eamon Fitzmaurice and others but surely the GAA and their committee need to take some of the blame, at the very least they need firmer policies on this sort of thing. There is absolutely no excuse for referees to be officiating games of this importance involving counties where they live and work.

I agree with the poster above who said that Kerry CB should issue a statement welcoming his appointment at this stage and we should just get on with it now. They will be lucky if the GAA don't now uphold Steven O'Briens suspension to stick it to Kerry after this.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 15/08/2019 09:05:02    2225902

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I think its hillarious.

Of course there is previous, in 78 Dublin objected to the appointment of Seamus Aldridge before the game with Kerry and had done so in numerous other games he was appointed, one of the reasons being we was involved as secretary with Kildare GAA, wasnt there a big furore over it with Tony Hanahoe criticising the ref appointment before and after.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 15/08/2019 09:23:39    2225906

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No one is questioning his honesty and integrity??

Are you for real?

That's exactly what the comments from prominent Kerry GAA members are doing.. you boys want it every way.

It's an absolute character assassination job before a ball is kicked.

To try and deny that is even more grubby yet again.

This is the sort of guff directed at Gough on this site alone, you'll see a very different response from thehermit earlier in this thread compared to his true feelings below.

Thehermit tells a different story on the Kerry forum.

"Yep me might as well pack up the tent already, what's the point.
The GAA will do everything to ensure Dublin do their 5.
And watch this space, the O'Brien thing will drag on for the next 3 weeks just to try and distract Kerry more from their preparations.
D-GAA is alive and well :("

Absolute drivel of the highest order and demonstrates perfectly the sort of bile at the center of the comments being directed at David Gough.

So please save us the self serving back tracking

More concerned about O'Briens appeal going wrong than anything else

Kerry CB should come out and denounce the comments made in the media by their members. I'd honestly salute them if they did that because it's the right thing to do.

As for the likes of thehermit well hopefully it rains a storm when he's protesting about Gough's appointment in Fitzgerald stadium

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/08/2019 09:45:34    2225912

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Replying To jimbodub:  "No one is questioning his honesty and integrity??

Are you for real?

That's exactly what the comments from prominent Kerry GAA members are doing.. you boys want it every way.

It's an absolute character assassination job before a ball is kicked.

To try and deny that is even more grubby yet again.

This is the sort of guff directed at Gough on this site alone, you'll see a very different response from thehermit earlier in this thread compared to his true feelings below.

Thehermit tells a different story on the Kerry forum.

"Yep me might as well pack up the tent already, what's the point.
The GAA will do everything to ensure Dublin do their 5.
And watch this space, the O'Brien thing will drag on for the next 3 weeks just to try and distract Kerry more from their preparations.
D-GAA is alive and well :("

Absolute drivel of the highest order and demonstrates perfectly the sort of bile at the center of the comments being directed at David Gough.

So please save us the self serving back tracking

More concerned about O'Briens appeal going wrong than anything else

Kerry CB should come out and denounce the comments made in the media by their members. I'd honestly salute them if they did that because it's the right thing to do.

As for the likes of thehermit well hopefully it rains a storm when he's protesting about Gough's appointment in Fitzgerald stadium"
Jimbo you and username are just trying to whip up a frenzy on here and in fairness not toomany bar the usual ABK posters are falling for it.

People should listen to mike Quirke's podcast and get the real story if that's what they want.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/08/2019 10:06:55    2225919

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Replying To jimbodub:  "No one is questioning his honesty and integrity??

Are you for real?

That's exactly what the comments from prominent Kerry GAA members are doing.. you boys want it every way.

It's an absolute character assassination job before a ball is kicked.

To try and deny that is even more grubby yet again.

This is the sort of guff directed at Gough on this site alone, you'll see a very different response from thehermit earlier in this thread compared to his true feelings below.

Thehermit tells a different story on the Kerry forum.

"Yep me might as well pack up the tent already, what's the point.
The GAA will do everything to ensure Dublin do their 5.
And watch this space, the O'Brien thing will drag on for the next 3 weeks just to try and distract Kerry more from their preparations.
D-GAA is alive and well :("

Absolute drivel of the highest order and demonstrates perfectly the sort of bile at the center of the comments being directed at David Gough.

So please save us the self serving back tracking

More concerned about O'Briens appeal going wrong than anything else

Kerry CB should come out and denounce the comments made in the media by their members. I'd honestly salute them if they did that because it's the right thing to do.

As for the likes of thehermit well hopefully it rains a storm when he's protesting about Gough's appointment in Fitzgerald stadium"
Listen every time you see a post from the hermit just ignore it. Most of it is one sided blindness.

Now however I dont think he should ref the match simply out of fairness and to stop any questions being asked at the end of the game. He is a fantastic ref in my opinion.

If the above story about dublin complaining about a ref in 2007 is true then they are as bad as Kerry.


The issue is no matter what the ref does now he will be questioned on every decision either by the dub or kerry fans. He's in a no win situation.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 15/08/2019 10:10:14    2225921

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Didn't know that about 2007, I wonder are the high horse brigade equally as outraged over that?

I've no difficulty with Gough doing this match personally. He is a good ref and I know he will do a good job. At the same time he lives and works in one of the participating counties and has admitted publicly to making critical errors that benefitted that county the last time they played. We have probably all seen the images of him posing with Dublin players and the Sam Maguire from years ago too, perfectly innocent I am sure, but not a good look for a high profile referee at the same time.

I simply cannot believe the selection committee did not see this coming, and that nobody on it didn't have the foresight, and frankly the cop on to ensure he sat this one out. It was easily avoidable. It's understandable that everyone's ire is directed at Eamon Fitzmaurice and others but surely the GAA and their committee need to take some of the blame, at the very least they need firmer policies on this sort of thing. There is absolutely no excuse for referees to be officiating games of this importance involving counties where they live and work.

I agree with the poster above who said that Kerry CB should issue a statement welcoming his appointment at this stage and we should just get on with it now. They will be lucky if the GAA don't now uphold Steven O'Briens suspension to stick it to Kerry after this."
Well done GeniusGerry

Another attack on Gough's credibility worded a little more pretty aye.

The GAA scheduling committee should take the blame for what?

Kerry's paranoias?

For appointing the best referee in the game right now?

Gough missed a few things in 2016 but you boys got a few nice calls yourself that day... some right beauts and to not acknowledge this speaks volumes

So Gough has never posed for photos with anyone outside of Dublin players ever?

Do you honestly believe that?

Finishing it very well with more concern about O'Brien not getting off.. there's the crux of it, more worried about Kerry CB coming out to save face and not complicate O'Brien's appeal... rather than apologizing for their members character assassination of an acting match official for an upcoming All Ireland final

Clap, clap, great contribution there.

Listen good luck in your preparations but I'm delighted to see plenty of posters from all around the country having a go at you boys over this, if Dublin came out with similar the site couldn't cope with the condemnation!

You're getting off easy... that's the last I'll say on it.

Again though if Kerry CB come out and apologies on behalf of its members and detached themselves from the comments I'd applaud them for doing it.

I'd also like to see O'Brien be able to play

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/08/2019 10:20:07    2225922

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Jimbo you and username are just trying to whip up a frenzy on here and in fairness not toomany bar the usual ABK posters are falling for it.

People should listen to mike Quirke's podcast and get the real story if that's what they want."
Ah yes...

Always the victim

Priceless stuff

Listen best of luck with your preparation's but I'm glad to see plenty having a go, it's well deserved.

It's a hatchet job character assassination job and it's pitiful to see it trying to be dressed up as if it's not by those more worried about getting their players off a suspension.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/08/2019 10:25:52    2225926

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From hoganstand.com 4th July 2007
Kearns' club-mate to referee Leinster final
July 04, 2007
Surprise has been expressed at the appointment of Kerry referee Aidan Mangan to take charge of Sunday week's Leinster SFC final between Dublin and Laois. Mangan hails from the Austin Stacks club in Tralee, the same club that Laois manager Liam Kearns played for, and this has prompted some Dublin supporters to question his appointment. One of the most experienced referees in the game at the minute, Mangan previously took charge of Dublin's drawn All-Ireland quarter-final with Tyrone two years ago, and was also the 'man in the middle' when Laois - then managed by Mick O'Dwyer - beat the Metropolitans in the 2003 Leinster semi-final.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 15/08/2019 10:27:13    2225927

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Didn't know that about 2007, I wonder are the high horse brigade equally as outraged over that?

I've no difficulty with Gough doing this match personally. He is a good ref and I know he will do a good job. At the same time he lives and works in one of the participating counties and has admitted publicly to making critical errors that benefitted that county the last time they played. We have probably all seen the images of him posing with Dublin players and the Sam Maguire from years ago too, perfectly innocent I am sure, but not a good look for a high profile referee at the same time.

I simply cannot believe the selection committee did not see this coming, and that nobody on it didn't have the foresight, and frankly the cop on to ensure he sat this one out. It was easily avoidable. It's understandable that everyone's ire is directed at Eamon Fitzmaurice and others but surely the GAA and their committee need to take some of the blame, at the very least they need firmer policies on this sort of thing. There is absolutely no excuse for referees to be officiating games of this importance involving counties where they live and work.

I agree with the poster above who said that Kerry CB should issue a statement welcoming his appointment at this stage and we should just get on with it now. They will be lucky if the GAA don't now uphold Steven O'Briens suspension to stick it to Kerry after this."
I think now that Kerry's plan has succeeded and they have sowed the seeds of doubt, if anything Gough may be inclined to give Kerry the soft ones to almost prove that he has no bias towards Dublin. We may yet witness a Kerry Cormac display from the Meath man, which is exactly what Eamo and Aido want, but Gough is a top class referee and I do think he is above all of that. It's just a shame that Kerry men, who should know better, saw fit to question his integrity in such a public manner. Surely the KCB, if they had concerns, could have expressed these to the powers that be outside of the public spotlight. The guy is a teacher for God's sake.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/08/2019 10:27:31    2225928

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