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Replying To lambofgod:  "At the beginning of this year I would have wanted anyone to beat Dublin just to stop the drive for 5.

But this current Kerry team are very hard to like and yesterday just reinforced my view of that.

Cynical exploits, off the ball fouling, slowing the game down, dragging men down, complaining constantly to the referee.

Also I don't think they are that good and honestly I can see Dublin beating them by as much as they want."
Christ they all come out of the woodwork after a Kerry win don't they :D
Hon D Kingdom!!!!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 4851 - 12/08/2019 12:24:20    2224576

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Replying To avonali:  "Sorri But I ain't going to argue with someone who advocated all sorts of silly antics in order to put Stephen Cluxton off. Something about squirting water at him or something?? Pathetic."
It's because you can't argue the points I've made. You called out no advantages that Kerry have over Dublin? And you choose to take the comments re squirting water at Stephen Cluxton and turning it into something it's not by failing to recognise the context in which it was said. Sending substitute players behind a goal keepers net to interfere with their kicking tees in a pre-ordained way was something Dublin first came up with so my point was sauce for the goose sauce for the gander. And the spelling is sorry - with a "y".

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 74 - 12/08/2019 12:27:16    2224581

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There is a lot of talk out there about 'this young Kerry team (the implication being 'give them a chance')
But is this really a young side?

Shane Ryan 23
Morley 25
Foley 21
TOSullivan 22
Crowley 24
Murphy 28
Enright 31
Moran 31
Sherwood 27
o Brien 28
O'Shea 21
o Beaglaoich 23
Clifford 20
Geaney 28
Walsh 31
Average 25.6 years

They are older than Dublin (stand to be corrected) or at least not so much younger as to make a difference.
It's now or never for this Kerry team

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 668 - 12/08/2019 12:31:40    2224586

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "Kerry will always be the aristocrats of football u think football u think kerry u think hurling u think kk ........and my few pound be on the kingdom for sam"
Nothing lasts forever.....

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 1758 - 12/08/2019 12:36:40    2224589

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Replying To DonegalAtlantic:  "It's because you can't argue the points I've made. You called out no advantages that Kerry have over Dublin? And you choose to take the comments re squirting water at Stephen Cluxton and turning it into something it's not by failing to recognise the context in which it was said. Sending substitute players behind a goal keepers net to interfere with their kicking tees in a pre-ordained way was something Dublin first came up with so my point was sauce for the goose sauce for the gander. And the spelling is sorry - with a "y"."
That was a typo. But if you want to get technical then I ought to let you know that "goalkeeper" is one word. Oh, and it should have an apostrophe to indicate possession, as in goalkeeper's net.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1037 - 12/08/2019 12:46:36    2224598

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "There is a lot of talk out there about 'this young Kerry team (the implication being 'give them a chance')
But is this really a young side?

Shane Ryan 23
Morley 25
Foley 21
TOSullivan 22
Crowley 24
Murphy 28
Enright 31
Moran 31
Sherwood 27
o Brien 28
O'Shea 21
o Beaglaoich 23
Clifford 20
Geaney 28
Walsh 31
Average 25.6 years

They are older than Dublin (stand to be corrected) or at least not so much younger as to make a difference.
It's now or never for this Kerry team"
Its a point ive often made, they arent that young bar the obvious. Yet the narrative is there, i was smiling listening to Peter Keane about his "young team" they are probably that bit younger panel wise to be fair.

That said we have a good bunch coming through next year, from this years U20 team, two of whom are certainly locks in my opinion and id be hopeful on another four.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2658 - 12/08/2019 12:46:36    2224599

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "There is a lot of talk out there about 'this young Kerry team (the implication being 'give them a chance')
But is this really a young side?

Shane Ryan 23
Morley 25
Foley 21
TOSullivan 22
Crowley 24
Murphy 28
Enright 31
Moran 31
Sherwood 27
o Brien 28
O'Shea 21
o Beaglaoich 23
Clifford 20
Geaney 28
Walsh 31
Average 25.6 years

They are older than Dublin (stand to be corrected) or at least not so much younger as to make a difference.
It's now or never for this Kerry team"
Ha.. very interesting

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19524 - 12/08/2019 12:57:15    2224603

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Replying To as_ky:  "Well Kerry absolutely hammered Mayo"
What's that got to do with anything?

lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 87 - 12/08/2019 12:58:50    2224604

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Christ they all come out of the woodwork after a Kerry win don't they :D
Hon D Kingdom!!!!"
It's just the truth.

I used to like Kerry but they have turned into something else this decade and I cant support that sort behaviour.

lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 87 - 12/08/2019 13:00:26    2224606

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Replying To TheUsername:  "
Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "There is a lot of talk out there about 'this young Kerry team (the implication being 'give them a chance')
But is this really a young side?

Shane Ryan 23
Morley 25
Foley 21
TOSullivan 22
Crowley 24
Murphy 28
Enright 31
Moran 31
Sherwood 27
o Brien 28
O'Shea 21
o Beaglaoich 23
Clifford 20
Geaney 28
Walsh 31
Average 25.6 years

They are older than Dublin (stand to be corrected) or at least not so much younger as to make a difference.
It's now or never for this Kerry team"
Its a point ive often made, they arent that young bar the obvious. Yet the narrative is there, i was smiling listening to Peter Keane about his "young team" they are probably that bit younger panel wise to be fair.

That said we have a good bunch coming through next year, from this years U20 team, two of whom are certainly locks in my opinion and id be hopeful on another four."
Jays ye'l need 2 teams for all those new players .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9341 - 12/08/2019 13:05:36    2224610

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Replying To lambofgod:  "It's just the truth.

I used to like Kerry but they have turned into something else this decade and I cant support that sort behaviour."
Yerra whatever you like fella, it doesn't make much odds to me what some lad on a forum thinks about our YOUNG warriors, Up D Mighty Kingdom!!

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 4851 - 12/08/2019 13:07:02    2224611

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Replying To avonali:  "That was a typo. But if you want to get technical then I ought to let you know that "goalkeeper" is one word. Oh, and it should have an apostrophe to indicate possession, as in goalkeeper's net."
Am still waiting on those advantages though?

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 74 - 12/08/2019 13:09:16    2224613

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Replying To DonegalAtlantic:  "It's because you can't argue the points I've made. You called out no advantages that Kerry have over Dublin? And you choose to take the comments re squirting water at Stephen Cluxton and turning it into something it's not by failing to recognise the context in which it was said. Sending substitute players behind a goal keepers net to interfere with their kicking tees in a pre-ordained way was something Dublin first came up with so my point was sauce for the goose sauce for the gander. And the spelling is sorry - with a "y"."
Oh and I believe the word you were looking for was 'co-ordinated' rather than 'pre-ordained' which sounds great but is actually mis-used. I don't think God or Fate or destiny decreed that the Dub subs get up to mischief behind the goals before a match.
Keep on squirting....

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1037 - 12/08/2019 13:10:04    2224616

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The build up to this All-Ireland is going to be a little strange to be honest, it involves the 2 most successful teams in the country, there's 5 in a row at stake, Kerry just missed out themselves in 82 and will be hell bent on stopping Dublin from making history etc etc etc

But, sadly there's a feeling of inevitability about it, now many Dubs will not go along with this and will be at pains to emphasise that the job is not done yet and that Kerry have every chance, but deep down they know they're going to win, this team can't be beaten when it matters.

I wish Kerry well, I think we'd all like to see a contest, but be it 20mins in, 30mins in, 40mins in etc etc, whenever Dublin decide to kick on home, Kerry will have no answer.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8215 - 12/08/2019 13:23:01    2224626

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "There is a lot of talk out there about 'this young Kerry team (the implication being 'give them a chance')
But is this really a young side?

Shane Ryan 23
Morley 25
Foley 21
TOSullivan 22
Crowley 24
Murphy 28
Enright 31
Moran 31
Sherwood 27
o Brien 28
O'Shea 21
o Beaglaoich 23
Clifford 20
Geaney 28
Walsh 31
Average 25.6 years

They are older than Dublin (stand to be corrected) or at least not so much younger as to make a difference.
It's now or never for this Kerry team"
You are being a bit selective there by including all the veterans, some of whom don't usually start. Replace Walsh with Killian Spillane who is the one starting and it brings the age under 25. You could also swap White for Enright depending on the day, and / or Barry for Sherwood. I'm not sure it's feasible to have an inter county team much younger as you will always have a few experienced guys bringing the average up.

It's a pretty meaningless number anyway. I think it's more inexperience than youth will be the issue for Kerry. About half the team are in their first or second season and yesterday was the first semi final for them, never mind a final.

I don't see how it's now or never though? The majority of the team will be around for another 7-8 years at least and they should in theory improve as inter county players peak probably between 26-30. We are seeing this now with O'Brien for example. There are also going to be more guys coming in from U20 in the coming years. The only big player coming in to the twilight of their career is Moran so I certainly don't see the upcoming final as the last chance saloon for Kerry.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1498 - 12/08/2019 13:28:56    2224628

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Replying To lambofgod:  "At the beginning of this year I would have wanted anyone to beat Dublin just to stop the drive for 5.

But this current Kerry team are very hard to like and yesterday just reinforced my view of that.

Cynical exploits, off the ball fouling, slowing the game down, dragging men down, complaining constantly to the referee.

Also I don't think they are that good and honestly I can see Dublin beating them by as much as they want."
Kerry still have some class footballers in this team but that instance of the player calling a head injury as a breaking play tactic yesterday was interesting. Every team does things like that to a certain degree but that was blatant and could definitely be a way to break the kind of momentum that dubs use to rack up clumps of scores in bursts.

ctowers (Dublin) - Posts: 73 - 12/08/2019 13:45:26    2224637

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I think it will be a close game. Kerry will have to improve a lot, particularly on their first half performance. But if a Mayo team that were past their peak were able to run Dublin to a 1 point game in 2017 , I dont see why a Kerry team that have yet to reach their peak cannot at least match that in this year's final. Still though, Dublin by 3 or 4 points imo.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 12/08/2019 13:57:03    2224645

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Replying To avonali:  "Oh and I believe the word you were looking for was 'co-ordinated' rather than 'pre-ordained' which sounds great but is actually mis-used. I don't think God or Fate or destiny decreed that the Dub subs get up to mischief behind the goals before a match.
Keep on squirting...."
Unfortunately you believe wrongly again. But I note you don't deny the mischief. It was not before the match but rather in the last few crucial minutes. Same classy guy got black carded again at the weekend - did anyone see it?

I still await the advantages though. I suspect I will be waiting quite a while, maybe an eternity, as there simply are none.

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 74 - 12/08/2019 14:01:05    2224650

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Replying To neverright:  "Dublin are undoubtedly a great team but I don't see them as unbeatable. An aging Mayo team, playing its seventh game in eight weeks, outplayed a rested Dubs team for nearly forty minutes before their legs gave out and then got over-run. A young Kerry team should have no difficulty in keeping pace with the Dubs for seventy five or eighty minutes and should be able to pressurise them like Mayo did in the first half. However they and their manager must believe in themselves and not be afraid of Dublin."
How can your legs give way in the first 10 mins of the second half when you literally just had a 15 minute break.

The truth is this.. mayo just edged the first half and deserved to go in ahead. In 10 minutes after the restart Dublin finished the game and for the last 25, while I'm not saying they took their foot off the gas, they had the game won and the impetus was with mayo to try get the ball off Dublin who calmed the game down.

Mayos fitness had nothing to do with it. If it was the last 10 minutes then fair enough the point about them aging and being on the road 7 of the last 8 weeks would be valid but alas, its not.

Dublin just came out and completely ruined mayo in every sense in that first 10 mins. And that was that.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13486 - 12/08/2019 14:03:16    2224652

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When Kerry were going for the 5 in a row they had won the previous 4 finals by a combined 38 points! Including two double digit wins against the Dubs. We may return the favour.

Skimming through results of previous finals I thought it was interesting that Kerry rarely win a close game. OK maybe some games were closer than the final scoreline suggests but here's the numbers.
Since 1953 they have won 21 All Irelands. All of them by at least 3 points, 10 of them by 7+, 4 by double digits.
You have to go back to 1940 to find an AI win for Kerry by less than 3 points.

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 12/08/2019 14:17:54    2224654

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