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Kerry V Dublin

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Replying To westkerry:  "Some context is needed here, Kerry have built a brand new team in 2 years.
They have beaten Mayo, Tyrone, cork, Drew with Donegal.
This Kerry team are ahead of where they should be and regardless of the result it's been a very good year for Peter Keane."
Take David Moran out of that team and Kerry don't have a midfield.....and there is no standout midfielder coming up through the ranks either. A Kerry period of dominance is a myth in my opinion. Dodgy at the back, an ageing midfielder and a handful of classy forwards doesn't translate to a team that is about to dominate gaelic football for an extended period. Couldn't get the job done with a man extra for half the game. I think the Dubs will know they got out of jail today and I fancy them to win the replay pulling up. This match could haunt this bunch of Kerry footballers for a long time to come.

JohnnyFox19 (Galway) - Posts: 8 - 01/09/2019 17:49:09    2231330

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Christ what a game of football these sides gave us..cann9t wait for Sept 14th...my thoughts in the replay is perhaps this was Kerry's chance to win in out and can possibly see Dublin win by 5 points or more..just think the cooper red card held them back a bit today making them more cautious in their play..as for Cooper starting the next day I wouldn't be so sure id trust him certainly not in the full back line anyways

pidge (Cork) - Posts: 543 - 01/09/2019 17:49:38    2231331

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Replying To cluichethar:  "The point for Dublin that was ruled out by HawkEye was the 1st time I've seen the ball shown inside the post and ruled wide. It's technology & I haven't much faith in it."
Ball was not inside post, it was 4/5 inside post which is a wide

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 01/09/2019 17:50:30    2231333

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "oh good man buying into the usual nonsense...there was plenty of muck out there today...both sides getting 14 men behind the ball...cynical fouling in the middle third of the field...plenty of diving especially by kerry players...plyers going down with injuries to take the sting out of the game when the opposition were on top...so don't patronise us with the great football played by kerry and dublin...only for the sending off it kept kerry in the game..otherwise "dublin" would have strolled to a facile victory"
Don't let facts get in the road of a good story. Lets forget about the high fielding, intense tackling, long balls, McCaffrey's goal in particular (look at the build up) and O'Shea's point taking at a time the game was a pressure cooker. I know people from other counties particularly Tyrone want to drag other teams down to their level. But without being bias look at last years final, compare it to today even before the sending off and ask if the 2019 final will be talked about for years to come? The 2018 final is already forgotten about due to the awful tactics we had to witness. Dublin have already went back to the basic skills of the game and Kerry have now joined them! As a result we got the best final in years. Our love of football was restored today and fair play to this young Kerry team who have been coached the right way and Dublin; the best team to ever play the game. What is evident is these two teams will stop any team that want to drag our game into a negative, cynical contest from winning an All Ireland. We should be grateful for that unless your from one of those counties that want to use these awful tactics. Kerry and Dublin won't allow them to be successful over the next decade.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 01/09/2019 17:51:23    2231334

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Replying To cluichethar:  "The point for Dublin that was ruled out by HawkEye was the 1st time I've seen the ball shown inside the post and ruled wide. It's technology & I haven't much faith in it."
haha!replace Hawkeye the next day!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 01/09/2019 17:53:40    2231336

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Well done to both teams. Great entertainment. That's what the neutrals want to see. Backed the draw so I'm happy

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 01/09/2019 17:55:40    2231339

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Thought it was a harsh penalty, resulting in the in the red card incident being a black card for deliberately pulling Clifford down, Kerry should have got a black card too. Has it been done away with? Gough is a top class ref but had an off day today

Great match looking forward to the replay, have Kerry lost their chance? me thinks not today will bring them on, will be close again

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 01/09/2019 17:56:25    2231340

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Replying To cluichethar:  "The point for Dublin that was ruled out by HawkEye was the 1st time I've seen the ball shown inside the post and ruled wide. It's technology & I haven't much faith in it."
Would have hit the post, no score, move on.

Do you think the peno should have been retaken? Cluxton was off his line.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/09/2019 17:56:45    2231341

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Thought Kerry's tactics in the last 10 minutes of the game cost them the match. With an extra man they looked dangerous when they got into the Dublin half and instead they played the game in their own half, invited Dublin onto them and paid the price.

I think Dublin will be better prepared and will improve more in the replay.

It is going to sound harsh but when it comes down to it I dont think kerry had the courage needed to finish off the game.

I thought the ref was fine. It was a penalty and it was a second yellow so Cooper had to go and he had looked in trouble for much of the match.

I thought the kerry defender was lucky to stay on the pitch late on. however but then I also thought Kerry should have had a free out near the sideline near the end and that was a huge decision.

Dublin defense doesnt look great and Cian Sullivan is a huge loss.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 01/09/2019 17:57:25    2231345

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Replying To JohnnyFox19:  "Take David Moran out of that team and Kerry don't have a midfield.....and there is no standout midfielder coming up through the ranks either. A Kerry period of dominance is a myth in my opinion. Dodgy at the back, an ageing midfielder and a handful of classy forwards doesn't translate to a team that is about to dominate gaelic football for an extended period. Couldn't get the job done with a man extra for half the game. I think the Dubs will know they got out of jail today and I fancy them to win the replay pulling up. This match could haunt this bunch of Kerry footballers for a long time to come."
Eh.....Jack Barry? Serious player

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4122 - 01/09/2019 17:57:32    2231346

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Very enjoyable game, especially considering it was a final.

I think that Gough had a good enough day at the office despite missing the kerry pend in the 2nd half. Gave a fresh air peno in the 1st so that kind of balances the books.

14 men v 15 also must be factored into this game in terms of how close it was.

I feel that Dublin will be much better the next day out.

Who will ref the next game?"
If you're accustomed to watching soccer, it probably was an enjoyable game - form a blanket, keep possession and get into a scoring position, that's about the sum of it. Even the so-called skillful players couldn't score from 30 yards.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 01/09/2019 17:58:32    2231348

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Replying To JohnnyFox19:  "Take David Moran out of that team and Kerry don't have a midfield.....and there is no standout midfielder coming up through the ranks either. A Kerry period of dominance is a myth in my opinion. Dodgy at the back, an ageing midfielder and a handful of classy forwards doesn't translate to a team that is about to dominate gaelic football for an extended period. Couldn't get the job done with a man extra for half the game. I think the Dubs will know they got out of jail today and I fancy them to win the replay pulling up. This match could haunt this bunch of Kerry footballers for a long time to come."
The next team to beat Dublin in championship will be the same team that beat them on the 31st of August 2014. (different personnel of course LOL)

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 01/09/2019 17:59:34    2231350

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Replying To baire:  "Puke football is now the prerogative of the so-called aristocrats! Blanket defences, 30 minutes of passes and soloing across the field, foot passes almost non-existent - I wonder why it's called gaelic football?"
add in the cynical fouling in the middle third, and the diving looking for frees and going down injured to stop momentum of other team...but then again its no surprise to some of us that dublin and kerry are just as cynical as everyone else...they are both just better at it than everyone else

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 01/09/2019 18:01:14    2231351

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Ref got penalty wrong but sending off Cooper right decision.
Blame Gavin for not taking him off after getting yellow and also getting roasted.
Thought Rock should have taking outa hands instead of off the ground.
Kerry the most skillful team to win replay handy.

Crossgaa (Mayo) - Posts: 553 - 01/09/2019 18:02:34    2231352

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "Thought Kerry's tactics in the last 10 minutes of the game cost them the match. With an extra man they looked dangerous when they got into the Dublin half and instead they played the game in their own half, invited Dublin onto them and paid the price.

I think Dublin will be better prepared and will improve more in the replay.

It is going to sound harsh but when it comes down to it I dont think kerry had the courage needed to finish off the game.

I thought the ref was fine. It was a penalty and it was a second yellow so Cooper had to go and he had looked in trouble for much of the match.

I thought the kerry defender was lucky to stay on the pitch late on. however but then I also thought Kerry should have had a free out near the sideline near the end and that was a huge decision.

Dublin defense doesnt look great and Cian Sullivan is a huge loss."
Hopefully they'll learn from it they didnt have the bottle to go for it. They seemed to be confused as to whether they should hold on to the lead or go for it. 1 point lead with 9 mins to go they really should have continued attacking

Let's all be gratful to both teams for what was a very entertaining all ireland final. We used to take them for granted

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 01/09/2019 18:02:57    2231353

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Replying To sam1884:  "Don't let facts get in the road of a good story. Lets forget about the high fielding, intense tackling, long balls, McCaffrey's goal in particular (look at the build up) and O'Shea's point taking at a time the game was a pressure cooker. I know people from other counties particularly Tyrone want to drag other teams down to their level. But without being bias look at last years final, compare it to today even before the sending off and ask if the 2019 final will be talked about for years to come? The 2018 final is already forgotten about due to the awful tactics we had to witness. Dublin have already went back to the basic skills of the game and Kerry have now joined them! As a result we got the best final in years. Our love of football was restored today and fair play to this young Kerry team who have been coached the right way and Dublin; the best team to ever play the game. What is evident is these two teams will stop any team that want to drag our game into a negative, cynical contest from winning an All Ireland. We should be grateful for that unless your from one of those counties that want to use these awful tactics. Kerry and Dublin won't allow them to be successful over the next decade."
...the 2016 and 2017 finals were well ahead of today...long kick passing?...all we witnessed was aimless kicking when it did happen...as i say lots of cynical fouling, 14 men behind the ball were the order of the day

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 01/09/2019 18:04:33    2231355

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Cooper could have been gone earlier. Fouled many times before the second yellow. I think Brogan would have made the difference had he been there? I wonder will Gavin question his decisions? The sultan of Marino added nothing.
Kerry game management excellent today but unfortunately they will feel left the game behind. Some super players in that young team.
McCaffrey & Rock saved the Dubs today. McCaffrey a joy to watch.
Overall I thought Gough did well - probably 2 questionable decisions for both sides, the most critical being for Kerry at the end.
For the rest us, a period of Dublin & Kerry dominance ahead ....

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 01/09/2019 18:05:10    2231357

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "Thought Kerry's tactics in the last 10 minutes of the game cost them the match. With an extra man they looked dangerous when they got into the Dublin half and instead they played the game in their own half, invited Dublin onto them and paid the price.

I think Dublin will be better prepared and will improve more in the replay.

It is going to sound harsh but when it comes down to it I dont think kerry had the courage needed to finish off the game.

I thought the ref was fine. It was a penalty and it was a second yellow so Cooper had to go and he had looked in trouble for much of the match.

I thought the kerry defender was lucky to stay on the pitch late on. however but then I also thought Kerry should have had a free out near the sideline near the end and that was a huge decision.

Dublin defense doesnt look great and Cian Sullivan is a huge loss."
This is spot on. Kerry should have at least pushed to go 2 up to force Dublins hand.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 01/09/2019 18:06:00    2231359

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Replying To Htaem:  "Would have hit the post, no score, move on.

Do you think the peno should have been retaken? Cluxton was off his line."
Don't think it was a penalty but the 1 not given in the 2nd half I think it was O'Shea was 1. Just saying about HawkEye that normally when the ball is tracking inside the post it's a point, just an observation. I don't know the ins & outs of it, was just observation.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 01/09/2019 18:06:52    2231360

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Replying To Htaem:  "If Dublin go down to 13 men and Kerry stay at 15 then Kerry might have a chance but Kerry have to take their goal chances cause Dublin just don't miss."
This aged well

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 01/09/2019 18:11:23    2231365

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