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Replying To Dermoot: "Poor game between two average sides, refereed by a terrible referee. The side with the better forwards won in the end, but still overall, Tyrone should have beaten them. What McGeary was doing, only he knows, straight up the pitch, goal, game over. Because this Tyrone team's biggest failing is total lack of leaders.
At least we don't have to get destroyed by Dublin, bad luck Kerry." Such scutter. Better team won full stop. Get over it.
The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 213 - 11/08/2019 21:15:20
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Replying To westkerry: "Well that was a school day for our young team.
The game was played on Tyrones terms for the first half and we where woeful.
The changes worked well and Sherood and Walsh made big impacts.
Tyrone style of football is very hard to watch, you could understand it if it was a lesser team but this is Tyrone who have the footballers to play a better a better game than that.
On the hill today listening to Clifford your a wxxxxx from Tyrone fans it's great seeing them silenced by the young lad.
Finally Kerry have built a new team in two years, two years, and have made a final.
Regardless of the result in that final that is a incredible achievement." You resigning to defeat already. It's not a defeat you will receive it's a deserved hammering. Young kerry team my hole, between non frees, faking head injuries, black card and constant booing by the few kerry fans the final will be a massive wake up call for you. Your totally out of luck as deegan wont be there for you again and I for one will enjoy it
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 11/08/2019 22:36:50
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "It's something Kerry regularly do effectively and without much said about it. That said, big games are for big players and Harte didn't do enough. Had a big goal chance and should have made sure of it." And what did mcminamin do to Clifford a few weeks ago? He wasn't interested in the ball what so ever only in keeping Clifford away from it.
I'm not complaining by the way as every team does it.
As for the reff, I and many Kerry fans around me thought that deegan was screewing us big time then I come on here and read yer comments and I'm thinking what the fook, but then again I suppose being Kerry fans we were being a little bit biased.
Now I'm off to bed only just in the door and il watch the game back tomorrow at some stage.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/08/2019 23:18:45
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Kerry did well, 7 point turn around in the second half. Had Tyrone done this we would have heard a lot of talk about them having more balls than Kerry when it counted. Will Kerry win the final?, probably not, Dublin are just superb, but thinking back to 2 semi finals in modern times it won't surprise me if the sight of the Dublin jersey brings out huge performance in Kerry.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 11/08/2019 23:40:55
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Man of the match for Kerry. Maurice Deegan.
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 12/08/2019 07:41:11
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Replying To aidan64: "Its gas all the ulster counties having a go on here. Im delighted tyrone were beat. Dirty sledgers." Keyboard warrior lad
ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 12/08/2019 08:33:55
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So are Tyrone keeping their powder extra dry now for 2020? Seeing as one or two Tyrone fans on here insisted they didn't care about Ulster when we beat them out the gate, that second half was either a total collapse or there's an incredible long game being played :)
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 12/08/2019 09:45:10
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Replying To mayotyroneman: "Man of the match for Kerry. Maurice Deegan." Swings and roundabouts, man of the match for Tyrone in Hyde park was David Gough in the super 8 game. McShane and Harte we're struggling with gravity that evening and Gough compensated them well for it.
The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 213 - 12/08/2019 09:49:55
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Sound familiar? [url=]http://hoganstand.com/article/index/242969
After the 2015 semi-final, and a host of other games involving northern teams (e.g. Armagh v Mayo this year), Deegan's display should come as no surprise to anyone.
What I am genuinely shocked by is that Tyrone didn't object to him getting the game in the first place. If they had, Croke Park would have had no alternative but to change him.
While others can make mistakes, I've never commented on any referee on here in this way, except Maurice Deegan....
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 12/08/2019 10:03:10
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Replying To JoeSoap: "So are Tyrone keeping their powder extra dry now for 2020? Seeing as one or two Tyrone fans on here insisted they didn't care about Ulster when we beat them out the gate, that second half was either a total collapse or there's an incredible long game being played :)" Yeah I remember that. It was all part of the great plan. Lol
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 12/08/2019 10:18:13
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I thought the better team won, but the Ref watched Harte being fouled throughout the game and ignored it. The Ref has always been poor (like a few more)
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 12/08/2019 10:31:30
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Get over it lads Kerry are a better team end of story. Never saw as much crying about a ref.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 12/08/2019 10:34:55
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Tyrone have had a very average team since 2010 with one of the all time best managers overseeing them as well as enough money to have one of the best strength and conditioning teams using the best training centre in the country.
Resources are in place to ensure Tyrone are able to stay above say 27 teams in the country. However all the support systems can't make up for having an average group of players. I predicted in Jan they won't beat Donegal but may end up in a semi final if the draw is kind (Longford, Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon and Cork); it was fairly kind.
If MH stays he'll be able to keep Div 1 football again in 2020 and use his skills to keep Tyrone competitive. If he goes I think we'll see just how average Tyrone really are, they don't have natural forwards or a team of natural footballers. MH reminds me of a great soccer manager who was able to make very average players look like world beaters.
This was a new kids on the block Kerry team who destroyed an "experienced" Tyrone team in the second half. With young teams nerves can hold them back which likely happened in the first half but when they realised Tyrone are not very good the second half was a different game. This is Kerry right at the start of their cycle and they've already easily seen off Tyrone, imagine over the next few years as this Kerry team get stronger. There isn't an All Ireland in Tyrone over the next 5 years at least, certainly not with this team - they should try to keep MH so they can still enjoy Div 1 and some kind of an extended summer whilst they try and get some natural forwards to come through.
For a new Kerry team the people in the Kingdom will have quietly enjoyed beating a Tyrone team in Croke Park. The 00's was a freak era and whilst Tyrone people like to think they're on a par with Kerry the reality is a lot different, Tyrone will never have that upper hand again - Tyrone produced a once in a lifetime team in the 00's whilst Kerry keep producing these teams every few years - another great Kerry team is on the way and we could be back to 70's with Kerry and Dublin dominating.
Dublin will win 5 in a row but give this Kerry team another year or two and they'll challenge Dublin and be miles ahead of the rest.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "And what did mcminamin do to Clifford a few weeks ago? He wasn't interested in the ball what so ever only in keeping Clifford away from it.
I'm not complaining by the way as every team does it.
As for the reff, I and many Kerry fans around me thought that deegan was screewing us big time then I come on here and read yer comments and I'm thinking what the fook, but then again I suppose being Kerry fans we were being a little bit biased.
Now I'm off to bed only just in the door and il watch the game back tomorrow at some stage." I thought the ref most definitely favoured Tyrone in the first half, in the second half he reffed it more true and Kerry and Tyrone probably got most of what they were entitled too overall. This type of inconsistant refereeng can often make it appear that the ref is therefore bias, Tyrone can't seriously have any complaints about the refereeing in my opinion.
THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 12/08/2019 10:42:53
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Replying To sam1884: "Tyrone have had a very average team since 2010 with one of the all time best managers overseeing them as well as enough money to have one of the best strength and conditioning teams using the best training centre in the country.
Resources are in place to ensure Tyrone are able to stay above say 27 teams in the country. However all the support systems can't make up for having an average group of players. I predicted in Jan they won't beat Donegal but may end up in a semi final if the draw is kind (Longford, Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon and Cork); it was fairly kind.
If MH stays he'll be able to keep Div 1 football again in 2020 and use his skills to keep Tyrone competitive. If he goes I think we'll see just how average Tyrone really are, they don't have natural forwards or a team of natural footballers. MH reminds me of a great soccer manager who was able to make very average players look like world beaters.
This was a new kids on the block Kerry team who destroyed an "experienced" Tyrone team in the second half. With young teams nerves can hold them back which likely happened in the first half but when they realised Tyrone are not very good the second half was a different game. This is Kerry right at the start of their cycle and they've already easily seen off Tyrone, imagine over the next few years as this Kerry team get stronger. There isn't an All Ireland in Tyrone over the next 5 years at least, certainly not with this team - they should try to keep MH so they can still enjoy Div 1 and some kind of an extended summer whilst they try and get some natural forwards to come through.
For a new Kerry team the people in the Kingdom will have quietly enjoyed beating a Tyrone team in Croke Park. The 00's was a freak era and whilst Tyrone people like to think they're on a par with Kerry the reality is a lot different, Tyrone will never have that upper hand again - Tyrone produced a once in a lifetime team in the 00's whilst Kerry keep producing these teams every few years - another great Kerry team is on the way and we could be back to 70's with Kerry and Dublin dominating.
Dublin will win 5 in a row but give this Kerry team another year or two and they'll challenge Dublin and be miles ahead of the rest." This is very harsh, average players? Cathal McShane, Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Naill Sludden & Ronan McNamee are really top players. Granted they could do with another couple of corner forwards but they are far from an average bunch of players. Mickey does have to shoulder some blame as well, for example Lee Brennan leaving the squad, again hardly an average player, has the making of a top class forward if faith was shown in him. I am not saying they have the same calibre of player as Dublin but sure who has.
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Replying To Green_Gold: "This is very harsh, average players? Cathal McShane, Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Colm Cavanagh, Naill Sludden & Ronan McNamee are really top players. Granted they could do with another couple of corner forwards but they are far from an average bunch of players. Mickey does have to shoulder some blame as well, for example Lee Brennan leaving the squad, again hardly an average player, has the making of a top class forward if faith was shown in him. I am not saying they have the same calibre of player as Dublin but sure who has." Peter Harte, Colm Cavanagh and Ronan McNamee are not top players. Good players yes but not top. Peter Harte always flatters to deceive. Goes missing in too many games.
I did find it amusing that Thomas O Shea highlights the rough treatment that Sean O Shea gets during games a few weeks back. However not a word this week from the Sunday Games on the treatment he was dishing out to Peter Harte.
Major bias showing at times.
DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 12/08/2019 11:23:52
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "And what did mcminamin do to Clifford a few weeks ago? He wasn't interested in the ball what so ever only in keeping Clifford away from it.
I'm not complaining by the way as every team does it.
As for the reff, I and many Kerry fans around me thought that deegan was screewing us big time then I come on here and read yer comments and I'm thinking what the fook, but then again I suppose being Kerry fans we were being a little bit biased.
Now I'm off to bed only just in the door and il watch the game back tomorrow at some stage." It's funny I was watching the game yesterday and it was amazing to see what Tom O'Sullivan was getting away with off the ball on Harte. You say you're not complaining about McMenamin on Clifford from a few weeks ago, well, there was a lot of Kerry moaning after the Donegal game about how Clifford and O'Se were treated off the ball. So much so that the sunday game panel comprised of 2 Kerry men felt the need to show incidents were Donegal players had crossed the line on a couple of occasions. That would of been fair enough had they evened it up and showed Enright hanging off Murphy and O'Sullivan pulling and dragging Brennan all over the field. It seems it's okay when Kerry apply these tactics to others but once other teams and especially Ulster teams lay a hand on their precious young forwards it's highlighted as much as possible by Kerry supporters but more worryingly Kerry pundits working for the national media!
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The problem with Tyrone is not dissimilar to the problem in Galway. A lot of 'blame' attaching to 'systems' and management, when the reality is that both rosters are too heavily stocked with bang average players when measured on the intercounty standard scale. Because Galway & Tyrone won senior all-irelands in the past 20 years, and because they are continually competitive at minor & u21 grades, there seems to be a tendency to sugar coat the assessment of the talent level in these counties.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 12/08/2019 12:13:12
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