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If the GAA wanted more money then they would ensure Kilkenny, Tipperary and Cork played each other in the Primary competition every year! The key motivation around the hurling Championship is Political. Its important for Provincial Councils to have a Provincial Championship. Lads working their way through the ranks for all those years! They will hardly vote for whats right for the players and reduce the importance of their role! Turkeys voting for Christmas. As for the reference to a study which says players want more games! Just follow the game a bit more. Training 6 days a week for potentially 1 game during the Summer doesnt rock players boats these days. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 09/08/2019 22:15:38 2223226 Link 2 |
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There are plenty of comments in the media from current and recently retired players about loving more games. The hurling structure has been successful. The only debate is about an extra team into the Leinster Championship. There has been no cribbing from Clare, Waterford and Galway about their early exits. Carlow rightly ask the question should their be a 6th team in Leinster? Galway won the Leinster Championship last year and made the final. With 10 minutes to go in the semi-final against Limerick, Cork seemed odds on to win. Cork's exit to Limerick cannot be blamed on being Munster champions. The Limerick keeper pulled off a great save to deny Cork a match winning goal and the rest is history. Limerick's path to the All-Ireland final was made difficult by Kilkenny's defeat in the Leinster final. Was Wexford's path to the All-Ireland final made difficult by Tipperary's loss in the Munster final? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 09/08/2019 22:39:35 2223233 Link 0 |
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The knock out system was done away with because inter county players were asking why they were busting their b*ll1x training 6 months of the year in the pissing rain only to be knocked out first time out. Also, it gave hurling and football fans more games to enjoy during the summer. Whatever about round robins, super 8s etc., straight knock-out is never coming back.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 09/08/2019 23:26:40 2223244 Link 1 |
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That has the Cork problem too - team 2 are off in weeks 3 & 4. The following schedule has no team playing more than two matches in a row and off for no more than one: Wk 1 = BvE and CvD Wk 2 = EvA Wk 3 = AvC and DvB Wk 4 = DvE Wk 5 = BvA and CvE Wk 6 = CvB and AvD Hmm - there may not be a solution to having all teams get two home games as well within the constraints. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 10/08/2019 01:22:34 2223255 Link 0 |
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Attendances have sky rocketed in Munster for the hurling with this new system and you want to scrap it. Cop yourself on. The only change I'd make is the provincial winners playing 3 weeks after and not 4. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/08/2019 06:55:22 2223265 Link 6 |
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Train 6 days Week to stay for play for club county and more I train 6 six days a Week and I'm no intercounty hurler!!!! As for saying has doesn't want more mneyy PMSL best one ever the gaa no never
Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 10/08/2019 07:06:39 2223268 Link 0 |
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This has been discussed many times. The present system is better than the knockout system esp for Galway and Leinster imo. It's not perfect but it's far more interesting. When it comes to knock-out games each team should have a minimum of 2 weeks for recovery and preparation. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 10/08/2019 09:09:58 2223274 Link 0 |
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The 4 week gap from Hurling provincial finals to semi-finals should be 3 weeks. With Football fixtures, it's not an easy task. The other option the GAA have is to host the quarter-finals a week before the semi-finals. The week gap to a semi-final is not ideal but offers an incentive for winning the province. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 10/08/2019 11:28:55 2223316 Link 0 |
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If they go down that road they may as well scrap the provincials altogether, it would just become a glorified Walsh Cup. Am I the only one who thinks the current system is pretty good (not perfect, a few tweaks here and there perhaps)? One of the main issues is to incentivize winning your province so it's not seen as a disadvantage to win, compared to finishing runner up or even third in your group. I like the idea of the provincial winners playing the McDonagh teams before a semi final, with a 2 week break. Another alternative would be to have the Leinster and Munster champions go straight to the All Ireland final, which would make the provincial finals do or die (no argument about being devalued then), but would do away with AI QFs and SFs which would be a big shame. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/08/2019 12:07:21 2223329 Link 0 |
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I agree that the new system is much better and that it can be improved upon. If the provincial system was got away with as has been suggested by some, my point was that the new system should not deny the Munster or Leinster Council to run their separate knockout championship. I don't think there would be the same demand for it in Leinster but in Munster they seem to think that it was special, so let them keep it.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 10/08/2019 12:58:49 2223350 Link 0 |
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Is direct qualification to the semi-finals incentive enough to win your province? 2018: Leinster runners-up Kilkenny beaten by 3rd placed Limerick. Leinster champions Galway made the All-Ireland Final. 2019: Both 3rd placed teams were beaten in the quarter-finals. The 2 week gap from provincial finals to quarter-finals and then another 2 week gap to the semi-finals is an appealing scheduling. If the quarter-finals to semi-finals is 1 week, it might be a fairer schedule in respect of provincial champions. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 10/08/2019 13:28:22 2223356 Link 0 |
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Could people not be reading too much into Limerick being beaten by Kilkenny. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 10/08/2019 14:00:46 2223371 Link 3 |
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I think it should be top 2 in each group should go through to the final, loser play mcdonagh week after provincial final, winner straight to semi. Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 117 - 10/08/2019 14:00:49 2223372 Link 0 |
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This year of 2019: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 10/08/2019 14:15:01 2223375 Link 0 |
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Galway won Leinster and connacht next they should try ulster brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 10/08/2019 15:49:48 2223402 Link 0 |
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Why should mcdonagh cup team get a pass into the latter stages?
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/08/2019 15:56:45 2223406 Link 0 |
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They already do??? They've earned that right. why should a team finishing 3rd outweigh a team who like Laois went undefeated and actually won a competition.
Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 117 - 10/08/2019 16:19:32 2223413 Link 0 |
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Well they were in Munster and at all levels. I often think if they had stayed there they would have won more All Irelands.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 10/08/2019 16:28:53 2223415 Link 0 |
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Then losing a provincial final would barely make a blind bit of difference, the loser would just have to play a McDonagh team in the QF and they're into the SF.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/08/2019 17:54:06 2223435 Link 0 |
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Oh I agree Whammo. If a provincial winner loses the semi final it's because they were rusty, if they win the semi final they were "fresh"
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/08/2019 17:57:42 2223439 Link 0 |