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Wexford V Tipperary

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "The replay was fine, multiple angles shown, most gave the impression that McGrath struck Reck but the final angle from side on shows that there was no contact with Recks, just the hurl knocked from his hand and Reck going down holding his elbow."
Straight red for me. Sitting on his a**e what was he at swinging the hurley. Whether the strike was with minimal contact or with force it's a red.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 29/07/2019 17:19:12    2218347

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Replying To Buachaillbui:  "Also not 100% on this but since it's 2 yellows i think he can play in final. Straight red he would've missed final."
Yes, you are correct. So in a funny way, Sean Cleere did Tipp a massive favour there.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 17:24:47    2218352

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Yellow card or red card, the net effect was nil because he still got the line.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 17:26:12    2218357

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "I think it will great game but not one that will generate a lot enthusiasm unlike say a Wexford v Limerick final. It is what it is. I don't pay much attention to journalists. They will talk up any final regardless of who is in it."
There are a lot of sub plots to this final:

First championship game between Cody and Sheedy since Sheedy and Tipp stopped the drive for 5 in 2010.

Kilkenny will be 5 years without an all Ireland if they don't win this win. That would be a huge "drought" during the Cody era.

If Tipp win it will be 3 - 3 in final head to heads during the Cody era. That is something we would be very happy about considering how Tipp were often vilified during the height Cody era when Kilkenny beat them.

Following on from the point above Tipp haven't got enough credit for putting it up to Kilkenny from 2009 - 2011 when no one else could live with them.

Tipp were dismissed as passed it last year and over the hill. Sheedy was with the older lads in 2006 when they won minor and 2010 when they won senior. He is with them again at the end of their hurling journey.

The short version is, its Tipp and Kilkenny. Sport is about rivalry, and boy is this a big rivalry.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/07/2019 17:40:01    2218362

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Yellow card or red card, the net effect was nil because he still got the line."
It makes a difference for the next game. Don't like to see any player missing a final. Ask Conor Gleeson how that feels. Selective application rule.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 29/07/2019 17:53:19    2218367

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Yellow card or red card, the net effect was nil because he still got the line."
the net effect was not nil because he would have missed the final if he had got a straight red

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/07/2019 17:58:21    2218369

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "He 100% struck him, no way."
Did you watch the replay? Where did his hurl connect with Reck?

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 29/07/2019 18:03:14    2218373

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Did you watch the replay? Where did his hurl connect with Reck?"
i watched it back today.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/07/2019 19:21:01    2218400

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Did you watch the replay? Where did his hurl connect with Reck?"
Spot on. He actually never caught him on the hand and Reck even changed his mind about which hand he struck. I'm biased but I don't think it was a straight red

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/07/2019 19:23:54    2218401

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rule 7.2 of the rule book. Category 3.
"Striking or attempting to strike with a hurley,
with minimal force."

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/07/2019 19:39:19    2218405

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Replying To perfect10:  "the net effect was not nil because he would have missed the final if he had got a straight red"
Net effect was nil for the match.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 19:42:15    2218409

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Don't have the rulebook in front of me but almost certain the wording is "to strike or attempt to strike...." but to paraphrase Shakespeare, it's a rule more honoured in the breach than the observance.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 29/07/2019 19:44:36    2218411

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In the very first set of replays during the match I saw that there was no contact and I couldn't believe that not only did Duignan miss this but praised Reck for getting up so quickly. And then in the Sunday Game, they again stated that McGrath was lucky not to get a red, while ignoring the simulation. This was repeated through many reports in newspapers today.

As I said already it was silly swipe, but I don't think McGrath had any intent on striking Reck. He was getting always going to pick up a yellow for it since the optics were bad with Recks reaction and McGath sitting on the ground.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 29/07/2019 20:23:21    2218448

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Don't have the rulebook in front of me but almost certain the wording is "to strike or attempt to strike...." but to paraphrase Shakespeare, it's a rule more honoured in the breach than the observance."
Again tell that to Conor Gleeson.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 29/07/2019 20:53:27    2218468

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Spot on. He actually never caught him on the hand and Reck even changed his mind about which hand he struck. I'm biased but I don't think it was a straight red"
Always good to change your mind about what hand got hit :)

McGrath was stupid to swing in the first place, hopefully he'll play a blinder in the final.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/07/2019 21:56:03    2218500

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Firstly said I wouldn't post till the jets cooled down after a right humdinger of a match.
Fair play to Wexford I was sure they would win seemed all the stars were aligned but Tipp hung in there somehow and now we're in the final after a chastening performance in the Munster final.
I think both Tipp and KK will be happy to be playing each other.
Both teams still have some familiar faces around since 2016 and I firmly believe whomever wins this cud well be their last for another 2-3 years.
Tipp seem to be that much older and some players may well play in their last all Ireland.
Kilkenny have found some fantastic young players who last year were that just finding their feet and this year Mullen has been a thorn in every team his played against.
I don't expect it to be close I feel which ever team gets on top early will win well.
I fear for Tipp as I think this Kilkenny team is brimming with confidence after wins over Cork and Limerick who in many eyes both of those were supposed to knock out the cats.
If Tipp get pulled into a scrap they will lose as always is the case against KK so like in 10 and 16 I think our only chance to win is to put them away in similar circumstances. Easier said than done.
Looking forward to another chapter in Tipp Kilkenny rivalry but I hope our guys step it up big time we need this all Ireland in my view.
Best of luck to both teams hope it's a cracker.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 29/07/2019 22:09:20    2218511

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Firstly said I wouldn't post till the jets cooled down after a right humdinger of a match.
Fair play to Wexford I was sure they would win seemed all the stars were aligned but Tipp hung in there somehow and now we're in the final after a chastening performance in the Munster final.
I think both Tipp and KK will be happy to be playing each other.
Both teams still have some familiar faces around since 2016 and I firmly believe whomever wins this cud well be their last for another 2-3 years.
Tipp seem to be that much older and some players may well play in their last all Ireland.
Kilkenny have found some fantastic young players who last year were that just finding their feet and this year Mullen has been a thorn in every team his played against.
I don't expect it to be close I feel which ever team gets on top early will win well.
I fear for Tipp as I think this Kilkenny team is brimming with confidence after wins over Cork and Limerick who in many eyes both of those were supposed to knock out the cats.
If Tipp get pulled into a scrap they will lose as always is the case against KK so like in 10 and 16 I think our only chance to win is to put them away in similar circumstances. Easier said than done.
Looking forward to another chapter in Tipp Kilkenny rivalry but I hope our guys step it up big time we need this all Ireland in my view.
Best of luck to both teams hope it's a cracker."
The Final is a 50/50 game between these two great rivals.I agree with you that Kilkenny have momentum after beating Cork and Limerick.Tipp also go in to the Final with serious momentum after digging out the win against Wexford.i just think Tipperary with Sheedy and Eamonn O'Shea back managing them will find a way to win just as they did last Sunday.Cody and Kilkenny can never be written off and I'm certainly not doing that but I think Tipperary will be champions come 5p.m on August 18.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 29/07/2019 23:55:10    2218550

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes true, but McDonald was denied a blatant penalty, just after John Mc was sent off. BTW John would want to cop on- this is the second time he was put off this year. Like Ryan Dwyer with Dublin, on another day he could have destroyed Tipps chances. He is not a dirty player, but he does foolish things."
When was John McGrath sent off earlier this year?

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 30/07/2019 01:30:45    2218560

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Did you watch the replay? Where did his hurl connect with Reck?"
It was as clear as day that John McGrath, while lying on the ground, struck Reck with his hurley. Now I doubt if it was malicious or hit with force enough to injure anybody, but strictly defined it was a deliberate strike with a hurley on Reck and the referee would have been well within his rights to give him a straight red. It was an extremely foolish action as he was already on a yellow card and was red carded against Limerick in the League earlier this year. Sean Cleere was in a no win situation as if had put off John he would have been accused of making his own countys task easier in the Final. I though he consulted his fellow officials throughout the game, unlike his counterpart on Saturday and generally did a fine job. As regards Tipp annoyance about 'disallowed' goals: the first disallowed 'goal' on TV it was quite clear shown that the Wexford defender was pushed in the back and it was a free out all day long, the second one was overruled by Hawkeye something totally outside his control. I think Josh's goal should have been allowed but Connor McDonald was clearly fouled inside the square immediately after the sending off and was not given a penalty, so these two incidents evened themselves out

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 30/07/2019 07:40:49    2218569

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Firstly said I wouldn't post till the jets cooled down after a right humdinger of a match.
Fair play to Wexford I was sure they would win seemed all the stars were aligned but Tipp hung in there somehow and now we're in the final after a chastening performance in the Munster final.
I think both Tipp and KK will be happy to be playing each other.
Both teams still have some familiar faces around since 2016 and I firmly believe whomever wins this cud well be their last for another 2-3 years.
Tipp seem to be that much older and some players may well play in their last all Ireland.
Kilkenny have found some fantastic young players who last year were that just finding their feet and this year Mullen has been a thorn in every team his played against.
I don't expect it to be close I feel which ever team gets on top early will win well.
I fear for Tipp as I think this Kilkenny team is brimming with confidence after wins over Cork and Limerick who in many eyes both of those were supposed to knock out the cats.
If Tipp get pulled into a scrap they will lose as always is the case against KK so like in 10 and 16 I think our only chance to win is to put them away in similar circumstances. Easier said than done.
Looking forward to another chapter in Tipp Kilkenny rivalry but I hope our guys step it up big time we need this all Ireland in my view.
Best of luck to both teams hope it's a cracker."
Whatever about Limerick, I could never understand how so many people backed Cork to beat Kilkenny.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 30/07/2019 09:40:16    2218597

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