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David Gough Best Ref In Country

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "That argument is null and void, because they already gave him a Dublin game, v Cork, specifically so nobody could complain about him getting one later in the championship.
And in that match he over ruled himself and reversed a call on a Dublin penalty in front of the Hill, so whatever else he does he doesn't favour the Dubs.
It looks like the choice for the final is down to two referees now, Gough and Barry Cassidy"
Boynesideblue .... Hmmmm knowing a bit about Meath club football that would be Slane if im not mistaken.. Goughs clubmate i presume.
That or your a Dub and you'd deffo back him so.
Plus he didnt over rule himself his umpire told him he was wrong and he had no choice.
His first instinct was peno when it was no way a peno.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 05/08/2019 19:09:26    2221271

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The options for a ref are pathetically small because all the young refs coming through the ranks are packing it in before reaching their full potential because of abuse at EVERY game from underage up......result ..tiny pool of refs to choose from at highest level ..............rugby style ref respect should be standard from the youngest age ...

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 05/08/2019 19:17:40    2221273

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Replying To cluichethar:  "Murphy was pulling Keegan's Jersey at the same time. Ball should have been thrown up. Both players was guilty of the same offense. Murphy has been at this for years, Donaghy was also a master at this stunt. Then he threw himself to the ground. Everyone was quick to tar AOS when he went to ground a few years ago."
Watched tape again and I have to say Murphy was not pulling Keegan's Jersey, hope ye beat the Dubs.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 05/08/2019 19:45:10    2221293

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Murphy wasnt pulling Keegan. 100 per cent penalty.

Should keegan have been black carded for pulling his opponent to the ground?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 05/08/2019 22:09:11    2221354

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Hard to expect a referee to spot 'who's who' on the Higgins McBrearty pull down. It 'looked like' the defender pulled him down. I can see why Gough black carded. I'd assume you've pored over the video, before making the 'correct call' on it, or did you manage to spot McBrearty's manoeuvre in real time?

What was less excusable imo was missing the blatant pick off the ground by Seamie O'Shea, or 'shamyshay' as Tomás O'Sé irritatingly calls him. It'll be 'shawnyshay' and shamyshay' next weekend, looking forward to that 'analysis' already! That was an unbelievable no call from Gough, very poor. Probably cost Donegal a point, at a critical late stage in the proceedings."
"I'd assume you've pored over the video, before making the 'correct call' on it, or did you manage to spot McBrearty's manoeuvre in real time?"

I'd assume you haven't read my post at the top of this page, before making a stupid comment, or did you read it and go ahead anyway?

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 05/08/2019 22:19:56    2221356

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Replying To westkerry:  "Boynesideblue .... Hmmmm knowing a bit about Meath club football that would be Slane if im not mistaken.. Goughs clubmate i presume.
That or your a Dub and you'd deffo back him so.
Plus he didnt over rule himself his umpire told him he was wrong and he had no choice.
His first instinct was peno when it was no way a peno."
That's Kerry logic right there.
He didn't over rule himself ???????
Well he actually did as he could have ignored the umpires advice, the final decision was his.
And the bottom line is the right decision was reached in the end which is what we all want to see anyway.

BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 06/08/2019 11:52:37    2221522

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I thought Gough did about as well as could be expected in those conditions and a match with such high stakes and players getting physical with eachother off the ball constantly. He missed some big ones, got some right and some wrong. It wasn't the winning or losing of the game anyway and at the end of the day that's all you can really ask of a ref.

I see someone mention the handbags after the penalty and how Gough didn't calm this down and Doherty was stretchered off minutes later. In all honesty blaming Doherty's injury on some sort of high-tempered tackle is absolute nonsense. It was a foul but it was also one of those where the players are slipping everywhere and an unfortunate injury occurs. I wish Doherty all the best in his recovery but there was no malice in that tackle and it was just pure bad luck.

The Mayo man completely cleaning Paddy McGrath out of it minutes before though, not much excuse for slipping there, personally think it was 100% intentional to leave plenty on an exposed player catching the ball, and Paddy goes off injured not long after. But as I say, I don't think any of these incidents were the winning and losing of the game so it's all relative.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 06/08/2019 12:09:32    2221537

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It was stupid tackle by Higgins, he knew Mcbrearty had him bet and tried to hold/wrap him up, ended up on McBreartys back and they fell to the ground..the black card rule is for a pull to the ground which i dont think Higgins did but it should be a black card.
The penalty, they both have a hold of each other, and as Ciaran Whelan if them are given everytime then there will be alot of penalties every weekend. I do think any other forward would not have got the call there.
Murphy got away with alot swipes and clipping at the start of the second half, it was his way of getting into the game which he did but got away with alot.

Hugh McFadden though, from the start was just pure dirt. He was border line disgrace with the stuff he was at. He was either told or took it upon himself to get a reaction out of O Shea which is pointless.
Gough was right beside them when he ran into and hit O Shea after the penalty and should have been a red.

tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 600 - 06/08/2019 12:18:17    2221545

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "That's Kerry logic right there.
He didn't over rule himself ???????
Well he actually did as he could have ignored the umpires advice, the final decision was his.
And the bottom line is the right decision was reached in the end which is what we all want to see anyway."
Yeah a clubmate as i guessed.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 06/08/2019 12:54:03    2221566

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Replying To westkerry:  "Yeah a clubmate as i guessed."
It doesn't really matter whether or not I'm a clubmate, what matters is I'm right.

BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 06/08/2019 16:59:20    2221715

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Replying To tommy132:  "It was stupid tackle by Higgins, he knew Mcbrearty had him bet and tried to hold/wrap him up, ended up on McBreartys back and they fell to the ground..the black card rule is for a pull to the ground which i dont think Higgins did but it should be a black card.
The penalty, they both have a hold of each other, and as Ciaran Whelan if them are given everytime then there will be alot of penalties every weekend. I do think any other forward would not have got the call there.
Murphy got away with alot swipes and clipping at the start of the second half, it was his way of getting into the game which he did but got away with alot.

Hugh McFadden though, from the start was just pure dirt. He was border line disgrace with the stuff he was at. He was either told or took it upon himself to get a reaction out of O Shea which is pointless.
Gough was right beside them when he ran into and hit O Shea after the penalty and should have been a red."
That's a reasonable point.
But I suppose his thinking was the offence might have merited a red card but the game didn't need one.
The best referees manage the game and that's what he done.
It wasn't such a blatant red car that it HAD to be given.
He let the players have a fair bit of leeway but never lost control, it's a high risk game to play but it worked out okay.

BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 06/08/2019 17:02:25    2221719

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "That argument is null and void, because they already gave him a Dublin game, v Cork, specifically so nobody could complain about him getting one later in the championship.
And in that match he over ruled himself and reversed a call on a Dublin penalty in front of the Hill, so whatever else he does he doesn't favour the Dubs.
It looks like the choice for the final is down to two referees now, Gough and Barry Cassidy"
I think you guys are missing my point which is that a referee living and working in Dublin should not be reffing a big Dublin game.
AsI said, imagine the hue and cry if a referee living and working in Tralee was appointed to ref a big Dublin/Kerry game!! There would be outrage!! It is inconceivable that it would happen.
Yet, Mayo and Kerry (others too) have had to put up with this over the years. It's ridiculous.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 07/08/2019 21:01:28    2222431

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I think you guys are missing my point which is that a referee living and working in Dublin should not be reffing a big Dublin game.
AsI said, imagine the hue and cry if a referee living and working in Tralee was appointed to ref a big Dublin/Kerry game!! There would be outrage!! It is inconceivable that it would happen.
Yet, Mayo and Kerry (others too) have had to put up with this over the years. It's ridiculous."
It should definitely not happen, but I think it will. It is up to the opposing team to question the fairness of such an appointment...provided Dublin are in the final of course

Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 07/08/2019 22:29:55    2222488

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Replying To BoynesideBlue:  "It doesn't really matter whether or not I'm a clubmate, what matters is I'm right."
As a clubmate your hardly objective now are ye.
Everyone backs their own particularly a small club like your own having a ref at county level.
Needless to say its outrageous that a ref living , working and coaching in Dublin is officiating Dublin games it wouldnt be tolerated if the roles were reversed.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 08/08/2019 09:06:40    2222561

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Replying To westkerry:  "As a clubmate your hardly objective now are ye.
Everyone backs their own particularly a small club like your own having a ref at county level.
Needless to say its outrageous that a ref living , working and coaching in Dublin is officiating Dublin games it wouldnt be tolerated if the roles were reversed."
It's just another glaring example of the all-powerful domineering undemocratic entity that Dublin GAA has become and how - for some unfathomable reason - other counties are in awe of them. For example, the failure of other counties to vote Dublin out of Croke Park for the 'neutral' S8 game.

And, wait for this. A few years ago a Kerry referee was appointed to referee a Dublin game. Dublin objected to the Kerry referee on the basis that the Kerry referee and the manager of Dublin's opponents came originally from the same club.
You can guess what happened!!

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 08/08/2019 10:36:28    2222602

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Replying To Aibrean:  "It's just another glaring example of the all-powerful domineering undemocratic entity that Dublin GAA has become and how - for some unfathomable reason - other counties are in awe of them. For example, the failure of other counties to vote Dublin out of Croke Park for the 'neutral' S8 game.

And, wait for this. A few years ago a Kerry referee was appointed to referee a Dublin game. Dublin objected to the Kerry referee on the basis that the Kerry referee and the manager of Dublin's opponents came originally from the same club.
You can guess what happened!!"
What Kerry ref is this?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 08/08/2019 10:39:05    2222604

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Replying To lilylanger:  "What Kerry ref is this?"
Your obsession with Kerry is pathetic.
Funny how you dont comment on your own county where ever that is.
It was a hypothetical comment as you well know.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 08/08/2019 11:21:08    2222623

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Replying To lilylanger:  "What Kerry ref is this?"
From Hoganstand.com July 04, 2007
Surprise has been expressed at the appointment of Kerry referee Aidan Mangan to take charge of Sunday week's Leinster SFC final between Dublin and Laois. Mangan hails from the Austin Stacks club in Tralee, the same club that Laois manager Liam Kearns played for, and this has prompted some Dublin supporters to question his appointment. One of the most experienced referees in the game at the minute, Mangan previously took charge of Dublin's drawn All-Ireland quarter-final with Tyrone two years ago, and was also the 'man in the middle' when Laois - then managed by Mick O'Dwyer - beat the Metropolitans in the 2003 Leinster semi-final.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 08/08/2019 11:27:42    2222624

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Replying To Aibrean:  "From Hoganstand.com July 04, 2007
Surprise has been expressed at the appointment of Kerry referee Aidan Mangan to take charge of Sunday week's Leinster SFC final between Dublin and Laois. Mangan hails from the Austin Stacks club in Tralee, the same club that Laois manager Liam Kearns played for, and this has prompted some Dublin supporters to question his appointment. One of the most experienced referees in the game at the minute, Mangan previously took charge of Dublin's drawn All-Ireland quarter-final with Tyrone two years ago, and was also the 'man in the middle' when Laois - then managed by Mick O'Dwyer - beat the Metropolitans in the 2003 Leinster semi-final."
Be the hokey ye learn something new every day. Never heard of him. Thanks. The optics are all wrong for anything of this nature to have happen. Possibly down to a lack of experienced refs?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 08/08/2019 11:51:15    2222632

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Replying To lilylanger:  "Be the hokey ye learn something new every day. Never heard of him. Thanks. The optics are all wrong for anything of this nature to have happen. Possibly down to a lack of experienced refs?"
Back in your box i believe its called lilly.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 08/08/2019 12:39:08    2222643

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