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Cork Versus Kilkenny

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "I doubt you could predict the result of last year's All Ireland hurling final!"
Brilliant sir.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 166 - 15/07/2019 15:28:18    2211406

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Replying To Gowran_Yank:  "You know what I'd like to see. An option to block certain posters, ...like katser. Nothing but a sx!x stirring troll. And a well fed troll unfortunately."
Could not agree more wrecking every thread on here.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 431 - 15/07/2019 16:17:43    2211429

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Replying To Ej:  "A brand of hurling never won a hurling match much less an all Ireland.
It takes a combination of factors the most important being the collective performance on the day.
Agree that Limerick are strong and worthy favourites but it's not even close to a foregone conclusion"
A brand of hurling! where did I say that? where did I even imply that in the short post. Maybe I forgot to mention Wexford? But IMO I was just making an observation, a style of hurling that is all (old as in past it). Now Limerick for instance (IMO) play a different much better style of hurling, because they have the better players and a style too boot and IMO I believe they will win 2 in row and no one is even close (again) IMO.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4003 - 15/07/2019 20:48:33    2211594

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I thought both teams were very loose and especially at the start. At half time my opinion was that neither of these two teams will win the McCarthy cup. That is still my opinion (Cork can't) but I also know that Brian Cody can turn average players and teams into stars getting results no one else would.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 452 - 15/07/2019 22:18:24    2211646

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Replying To arock:  "A brand of hurling! where did I say that? where did I even imply that in the short post. Maybe I forgot to mention Wexford? But IMO I was just making an observation, a style of hurling that is all (old as in past it). Now Limerick for instance (IMO) play a different much better style of hurling, because they have the better players and a style too boot and IMO I believe they will win 2 in row and no one is even close (again) IMO."
Read the last sentence of your earlier post.

My reply had nothing to do with Wexford at all.
I agree that Limerick have the strongest panel and are worthy favourites. But the players are not machines and at the elite level in all sports confidence and mental strength is just as important.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 263 - 15/07/2019 22:45:57    2211662

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Laois won the All Ireland in 1915."
They are probably due another Golden Generation so! They had good teams in the 40s and 80s too......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 613 - 15/07/2019 22:50:51    2211667

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Replying To Canuck:  "I thought both teams were very loose and especially at the start. At half time my opinion was that neither of these two teams will win the McCarthy cup. That is still my opinion (Cork can't) but I also know that Brian Cody can turn average players and teams into stars getting results no one else would."
Brilliant article from Brendan Cummings today in the info about the 'shadow' when you play Kilkenny.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 263 - 15/07/2019 22:52:20    2211669

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Replying To Ej:  "Brilliant article from Brendan Cummings today in the info about the 'shadow' when you play Kilkenny."
Yes Ej just read it. Very good. However the word sweeper that was blasphemy is popping up all over the place. Brendan, Eddie, Tyrell were the ones who were the most vociferous against Derek McGrath saying he would never winning any thing with that tactic. In fact they were over the top with it. Now the term is being used in the same sentence as the messiah himself. Non other than the legendary and great Brian Cody.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 452 - 16/07/2019 00:22:49    2211692

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes Ej just read it. Very good. However the word sweeper that was blasphemy is popping up all over the place. Brendan, Eddie, Tyrell were the ones who were the most vociferous against Derek McGrath saying he would never winning any thing with that tactic. In fact they were over the top with it. Now the term is being used in the same sentence as the messiah himself. Non other than the legendary and great Brian Cody."
Waterford people didn't go too easy on McGrath either!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 985 - 16/07/2019 09:18:29    2211723

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Will there be a few mini buses going up from Offaly to support the Cats? Daithi Regan is the only Offaly man I know that doesn't have a Kilkenny jersey in the Wardrobe."
As a Leinster man I will be supporting KK and Wexford in the semis, no doubt about it. It's a funny old game hurling, had Tipp beaten Dublin by 10 points they would have been delighted going into the semi final. After a lackluster performance at the weekend I think Wexford will be hopping in training this week.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 517 - 16/07/2019 10:09:36    2211746

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes Ej just read it. Very good. However the word sweeper that was blasphemy is popping up all over the place. Brendan, Eddie, Tyrell were the ones who were the most vociferous against Derek McGrath saying he would never winning any thing with that tactic. In fact they were over the top with it. Now the term is being used in the same sentence as the messiah himself. Non other than the legendary and great Brian Cody."
Its not a sweeper its dropping a man back, when it is anybody other than Wexford/Clare/Waterford

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 431 - 16/07/2019 10:21:12    2211755

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Replying To Canuck:  "Yes Ej just read it. Very good. However the word sweeper that was blasphemy is popping up all over the place. Brendan, Eddie, Tyrell were the ones who were the most vociferous against Derek McGrath saying he would never winning any thing with that tactic. In fact they were over the top with it. Now the term is being used in the same sentence as the messiah himself. Non other than the legendary and great Brian Cody."
I don't think KK play an obvious structured sweeper like Waterford did under McGrath. What they have done throughout Cody's reign is allow the forwards to work back when required. A memory comes to mind of Colin Fennelly hooking a player in an all ireland a few years ago and he was playing full forward! He was back down the other end of the field then 30 seconds later. Nearly something similar to what Tyrone do in the football.

I was in Croker yesterday as the wife is from Laois and in the second half KK basically let Cork have the short puck out, they dropped their 2 wing backs back into the pockets that cork were finding in the first half and smothered the space. It was like they picked up zonal spaces instead of players. The amount of times a KK player on his own was on the receiving end of a Cork clearance was criminal.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 517 - 16/07/2019 10:37:19    2211762

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Its not a sweeper its dropping a man back, when it is anybody other than Wexford/Clare/Waterford"
Well said Storeys. Of course if one team plays a sweeper the other automatically has one and all these "non-sweeper counties" keep the extra man back rather than move up man-on-man.

There is more to the wonderful game of hurling than hitting puck-outs up to a 6 foot 5 half forward and he puts up his hand and hits it over the bar - or at least there should be. While the basic sweeper tactic as originally devised is a very blunt instrument and in itself an unattractive one at that the variations on it which have been developing over the last few years are a positive in that they demonstrate a broader range of the games skills rather than the closed-eyes and hit-as-far-as-you-can approach.

lochgarmanabu (Wexford) - Posts: 963 - 16/07/2019 11:25:14    2211787

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Replying To lochgarmanabu:  "Well said Storeys. Of course if one team plays a sweeper the other automatically has one and all these "non-sweeper counties" keep the extra man back rather than move up man-on-man.

There is more to the wonderful game of hurling than hitting puck-outs up to a 6 foot 5 half forward and he puts up his hand and hits it over the bar - or at least there should be. While the basic sweeper tactic as originally devised is a very blunt instrument and in itself an unattractive one at that the variations on it which have been developing over the last few years are a positive in that they demonstrate a broader range of the games skills rather than the closed-eyes and hit-as-far-as-you-can approach."
If a team has a sweeper, then the opposition team has no choice but to leave a man back. Why would a team push there spare man up to mark the other sweeper? That would mean 5 backs on 5 forwards with acres of space for the forwards to run into.

I have no problem with a sweeper especially if your playing Cork but what Fitzy and McGrath were doing isnt just a sweeper. Its 14 men all pushed back behind the 45 and 1 forward isolated inside. Its horrible to watch and easy to play against.

There's no variation in there tactics, its the same thing for every game.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 144 - 16/07/2019 13:10:48    2211842

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Its not a sweeper its dropping a man back, when it is anybody other than Wexford/Clare/Waterford"
Yes exactly. Many intelligent poster on here do not do themselves justice when they waffle with the terminology for what everyone and their mother was calling a sweeper. The then pundits I signalled out were open and over the top about Derek McGrath when it suited head line catching in columns, blogs and interviews. Now the act and talk like they never said any thing and I have heard them they say a team "needs to keep a man back in the pocket." I also did not deny that there were some high profile people in Waterford who acted the same. In case anyone says I will not name them. Non other than the great Ken McGrath.
Dont assume I approve or disapprove of a sweeper just pointing out the hypocrisy that obviously also effects posters when it comes to playing a sweeper. Back in the pocket what a joke.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 452 - 16/07/2019 13:52:14    2211868

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I have no problem with a sweeper especially if your playing Cork but what Fitzy and McGrath were doing isnt just a sweeper. Its 14 men all pushed back behind the 45 and 1 forward isolated inside. Its horrible to watch and easy to play against.

There's no variation in there tactics, its the same thing for every game.
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Is that not what Limerick do too, no? Drop men back and congest the space? Talk all you want it is no different.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 431 - 16/07/2019 13:53:01    2211869

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Rumour has it in Cork that Eoin Cadogan has been in contact with the Cork football manager, Ronan Mc Carthy with a view to Re-joining the footballers, in a desperate quest for another All Ireland medal. Some hope of that.
How often has he changed now. Maybe he should join the ladies.

bobkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 16 - 17/07/2019 18:56:39    2212485

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Replying To bobkat:  "Rumour has it in Cork that Eoin Cadogan has been in contact with the Cork football manager, Ronan Mc Carthy with a view to Re-joining the footballers, in a desperate quest for another All Ireland medal. Some hope of that.
How often has he changed now. Maybe he should join the ladies."
Eoin Cadogan gets under your skin?

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 586 - 17/07/2019 19:08:32    2212492

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