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Cork Versus Kilkenny

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Best game of the weekend. Winner faces Limerick. No love lost between these old rivals.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 10:54:05    2208922

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Cork for me. They should be too fast and nimble for those Kilkenny backs. But again I would trust that Cork fullback line. They are sometimes very good and sometimes equally as bad. I think Limerick would prefer Kilkenny to come through but it ll be a hard game whomever wins out. For me if Cork can get motoring in their half forward line and get any sort of rhythm then it's hard to see Kilkenny stop them. I'd be surprised if Kilkenny dont attack Cork right down the middle. They need goals to win.
Whomever wins will be in fine fettle for the semi final. They will have beaten a contender and played in Croke Park. Limerick will do well to halt whichever side comes through.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 10/07/2019 12:02:37    2208970

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Cork for me. They should be too fast and nimble for those Kilkenny backs. But again I would trust that Cork fullback line. They are sometimes very good and sometimes equally as bad. I think Limerick would prefer Kilkenny to come through but it ll be a hard game whomever wins out. For me if Cork can get motoring in their half forward line and get any sort of rhythm then it's hard to see Kilkenny stop them. I'd be surprised if Kilkenny dont attack Cork right down the middle. They need goals to win.
Whomever wins will be in fine fettle for the semi final. They will have beaten a contender and played in Croke Park. Limerick will do well to halt whichever side comes through."
Yes...good evaluation. Agree completely

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 12:39:49    2209002

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I'd fancy Cork to win. The thing with modern Cork is they win games with big scores and concede a lot too. They beat us in the Championship and the NHL but still conceded 1-22 & 1-19 in the process. There doesn't seem to be a plan B apart from win the shootout and they are always a very entertaining side to watch.

I can imagine Brian Cody though licking his lips at the thoughts of Cork scoring 1-40 and bringing them back down to earth. Then no matter who we play, an almighty battle awaits versus one of the two kingpins of hurling. Feast.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 10/07/2019 14:58:40    2209080

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Contemplating on what I've seen and perusing over all the results of the championship so far; I haven't a clue how this match will go.
This should give the first real indication of the difference in standards, if any, between the top Munster and Leinster teams (no disrespect to Dublin, Laois or Tipperary).
The general consensus has been that the overall standard of hurling has been better in Munster; and the bookies odds agree with this (Paddy Power betting for AI winners: Limerick 5/4 - Tipperary 2/1 - Cork 11/2 - Wexford 8/1 - Kilkenny 12/1).
The odds for the Kilkenny v Cork are 13/8 and 4/6 respectively, and 8/1 the draw.
Whatever the outcome, I'm looking forward to hopefully a humdinger of a match, like so many down the years whenever Cork and Kilkenny clash.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 10/07/2019 18:35:28    2209193

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Contemplating on what I've seen and perusing over all the results of the championship so far; I haven't a clue how this match will go.
This should give the first real indication of the difference in standards, if any, between the top Munster and Leinster teams (no disrespect to Dublin, Laois or Tipperary).
The general consensus has been that the overall standard of hurling has been better in Munster; and the bookies odds agree with this (Paddy Power betting for AI winners: Limerick 5/4 - Tipperary 2/1 - Cork 11/2 - Wexford 8/1 - Kilkenny 12/1).
The odds for the Kilkenny v Cork are 13/8 and 4/6 respectively, and 8/1 the draw.
Whatever the outcome, I'm looking forward to hopefully a humdinger of a match, like so many down the years whenever Cork and Kilkenny clash."
Yes..,Hurling has always been the winner here.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 19:38:28    2209210

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Should be a fascinating game.
Kilkenny missed Buckley big time against Wexford and if he's fit and ready it will be a massive plus for them. Cody will have them absolutely wired but this isn't a great Kilkenny side,
As for cork, you know what you're gonna get..... A team of incredibly skillful hurlers who are either brilliant or awful.
On balance I think Kilkenny will get the goals needed to just about shade it, but i won't be rushing down to the bookies to back that up.
Best of luck to supporters of both sides.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 10/07/2019 19:59:30    2209224

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Looking forward to this game. I think it'll be a 15 on 15 trad. game and turn into a shoot out. The winner will give Limerick a tough game but ultimately lose. I see Kilkenny's defence as weaker than corks( both sets forwards represent the strength of both teams) so I believe Cork will ultimately win.

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 117 - 11/07/2019 12:22:11    2209436

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By far the most exciting match up this weekend. Really looking forward to seeing how it all pans out.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 11/07/2019 14:26:19    2209518

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "By far the most exciting match up this weekend. Really looking forward to seeing how it all pans out."
It was hardly going to be the Tipp match Jack! Cork should win comfortably and I'm already looking forward to them winning their Semi Final too!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 11/07/2019 14:46:47    2209532

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shure de shtandard o' hurlin is fierce bad dis year. But a Cork, Kilkenny or Tipperary All-Ireland win will put that right

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 11/07/2019 15:32:13    2209552

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Replying To Maroonatic:  "shure de shtandard o' hurlin is fierce bad dis year. But a Cork, Kilkenny or Tipperary All-Ireland win will put that right"
We'll have to give the weaker counties a chance..would be good for the game.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 11/07/2019 15:42:59    2209558

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Replying To Rockies:  "We'll have to give the weaker counties a chance..would be good for the game."
I had to give you a thumbs up for that one

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 11/07/2019 15:52:15    2209565

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Replying To Rockies:  "We'll have to give the weaker counties a chance..would be good for the game."
Ya right when did Cork ever give anyone a chance!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 11/07/2019 20:54:54    2209687

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Replying To katser:  "Ya right when did Cork ever give anyone a chance!"
I thought they'd been doing that the last decade and a half ;-)

Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 117 - 11/07/2019 21:42:43    2209713

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Replying To katser:  "Ya right when did Cork ever give anyone a chance!"
The last 14 years?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 11/07/2019 21:48:30    2209717

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Replying To Buachaillbui:  "I thought they'd been doing that the last decade and a half ;-)"
That's right in that time KK 8 Tipp 2 = 10 of the last 13 all Irelands won by the other Kingpins, so not much of a chance there... oh but Clare were magnificent in '13!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 11/07/2019 23:30:51    2209757

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I've been posting on another thread on how I think, while the Leinster championship has been better in terms of excitement, entertainment, close games etc., the top teams in Munster are better overall​. Cork hammering Westmeath while Dublin losing to Laois would be exhibit A for me.

I think Sunday might be exhibit B. I fear Cork will have too much legs and pace for us, especially our backs who look like they're running through treacle at the best of times. Although as a previous poster alluded to, Cody's teams love coming up against a team who've just had a massive win, it's like he uses it as a motivation to try cut them down to size. Maybe Cork might have been best served just "scraping" past Westmeath.

Hopefully a close, entertaining contest.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 12/07/2019 05:37:07    2209776

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Replying To ballydalane:  "I've been posting on another thread on how I think, while the Leinster championship has been better in terms of excitement, entertainment, close games etc., the top teams in Munster are better overall​. Cork hammering Westmeath while Dublin losing to Laois would be exhibit A for me.

I think Sunday might be exhibit B. I fear Cork will have too much legs and pace for us, especially our backs who look like they're running through treacle at the best of times. Although as a previous poster alluded to, Cody's teams love coming up against a team who've just had a massive win, it's like he uses it as a motivation to try cut them down to size. Maybe Cork might have been best served just "scraping" past Westmeath.

Hopefully a close, entertaining contest."
Maybe you're being a bit harsh on your own team.

At the highest level a team's defence is only as good as the weakest link. The last day, Wexford exposed that player.
Cody rarely makes mistakes. He never makes the same mistake twice. If Buckley is fit I expect him to play at CB with Walsh to his right.
Up top Walter has had an extra 2 weeks and there are sure to be positional changes if not personnel.
In my opinion, cork are a great team when they're on top but I'm not convinced they are the best at absorbing the pressure.
I'm not into the Leinster/Munster which is better bullsh*t, but I hope KK win.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 12/07/2019 09:48:35    2209810

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Replying To Ej:  "Maybe you're being a bit harsh on your own team.

At the highest level a team's defence is only as good as the weakest link. The last day, Wexford exposed that player.
Cody rarely makes mistakes. He never makes the same mistake twice. If Buckley is fit I expect him to play at CB with Walsh to his right.
Up top Walter has had an extra 2 weeks and there are sure to be positional changes if not personnel.
In my opinion, cork are a great team when they're on top but I'm not convinced they are the best at absorbing the pressure.
I'm not into the Leinster/Munster which is better bullsh*t, but I hope KK win."
I agree, you can't compare Leinster and Munster. Munster is generally a high scoring shoot out with teams getting 25+ points in games. In Leinster you have to earn your scores a lot harder. It's a much more physical battle. I think Limerick have come to the table in terms of their physicality and that's why they are the top dogs at the moment.

What would worry me if I was a KK person would be the fact that it's been a few years since they've gotten on top of a team and really driven it home. All the games they win now generally come down to the wire. I think it'll be either Cork by 5+ or the Cats by 1 or 2. It'll be interesting to see the forward line up of both teams, that'll tell a lot.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 12/07/2019 12:52:08    2209924

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