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Replying To seanie_boy: "My guess would be that it's not against Peter Harte personally if that could be believed,but more likely it's intended to be a way to get back at Tyrone GAA and Mickey Harte for being so out spoken against the black card in the first place. It could be that it's all on the back of the last ref in the Cavan game and the others are blameless. He could have seen an opportunity to hit back at Mickey and did it on his own initiative. Everything had been teed up for him at that point. I'd love to know was there much history between them. Regardless of how we got here it seems a bit much for one player to get 3 blacks like just happened with Peter Harte in this way. Something about it all seems to have been manufactured and outside of anything we understand the black card to be used for. Peter isn't now and has never been a dirty/cynical player." fair enough if that's what you think . Well for me the Cavan one was a black card and I'd be surprised if a player in 3 separate games was targeted to make a point. We'll have to agree to disagree I'm afraid. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 10/07/2019 12:58:56 2209016 Link
While unlucky for one of his cards Peter Harte was making clumsy challenges and has fallen foul of a blurred rule. If you give a ref half a chance to give a black then sometimes you get one and sometimes you don't. Taking the incidents aside I actually think this talk of conspiracies and plotting against Tyrone is quite frankly embarrassing. Best thing Peter Harte could do would be get the head down (Same for Mickey), train his backside off and return for the next game with a renewed hunger and feeling of wanting to right the wrongs he feels he has had thrown against him. No better man than Mickey Harte to use it as part of his annual siege mentality either. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 10/07/2019 13:05:19 2209020 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "My guess would be that it's not against Peter Harte personally if that could be believed,but more likely it's intended to be a way to get back at Tyrone GAA and Mickey Harte for being so out spoken against the black card in the first place. It could be that it's all on the back of the last ref in the Cavan game and the others are blameless. He could have seen an opportunity to hit back at Mickey and did it on his own initiative. Everything had been teed up for him at that point. I'd love to know was there much history between them. Regardless of how we got here it seems a bit much for one player to get 3 blacks like just happened with Peter Harte in this way. Something about it all seems to have been manufactured and outside of anything we understand the black card to be used for. Peter isn't now and has never been a dirty/cynical player." Three black cards by three seperate referees. Does anyone really believe that there are meetings between GAA Officials and Referees where those officials instruct/suggest/hint at some teams or individuals they'd like to see getting special treatment??? Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/07/2019 13:05:44 2209021 Link
There's obviously a giant conspiracy against Tyrone. Even the marching band was planted by the GAA top brass to entrap the Tyrone bus to break into a chorus of rebel song valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 10/07/2019 13:19:37 2209034 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Three black cards by three seperate referees. Does anyone really believe that there are meetings between GAA Officials and Referees where those officials instruct/suggest/hint at some teams or individuals they'd like to see getting special treatment???" Only takes for the last ref to see an opportunity in fairness. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 13:33:49 2209042 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Three black cards by three seperate referees. Does anyone really believe that there are meetings between GAA Officials and Referees where those officials instruct/suggest/hint at some teams or individuals they'd like to see getting special treatment???" The Illuminati are rumored to be involved. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 10/07/2019 13:36:03 2209044 Link
Replying To catch22: "fair enough if that's what you think . Well for me the Cavan one was a black card and I'd be surprised if a player in 3 separate games was targeted to make a point. We'll have to agree to disagree I'm afraid." Fair enough. It just all seems too coincidental to me. And if I was being perfectly honest I would probably say the same about most players if it were to happen to them. The odds of getting 3 in a row like this must be crazy. I'm sure somebody has for figures/stats on this. I wonder just how many county players have received this type of ban since the black card was introduced? Be interesting to see. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 13:39:02 2209046 Link
Replying To valley84: "There's obviously a giant conspiracy against Tyrone. Even the marching band was planted by the GAA top brass to entrap the Tyrone bus to break into a chorus of rebel song" Now here's a man talking honestly and sensibly. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 13:39:49 2209048 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Three black cards by three seperate referees. Does anyone really believe that there are meetings between GAA Officials and Referees where those officials instruct/suggest/hint at some teams or individuals they'd like to see getting special treatment???" If you don't think these boys discuss who they don't like,think poorly of as managers or players then you are very naive. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 13:41:15 2209049 Link
The Black Card: If a player is deemed guilty of "Cynical behaviour", a black card may be issued. The player will be sent off but a substitution will be allowed. Substitutions are permitted up to the third black card, however if a team receives a fourth, the player sent off cannot be replaced. 'Cynical behaviour' includes these infractions: (1) 'to deliberately pull down an opponent' (2) 'to deliberately trip an opponent' (3) 'to deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away" (4) 'to threaten or use abusive language or gestures to an opponent or team mate' (5) 'to remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official' Which of these did he commit for each black card? I have watched them closely and cant see how the refs came up with black cards. Also think back to all the matches we have watched all year and tell me how many time we have see offences from the list go unpunished redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 10/07/2019 13:58:56 2209054 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "Peter Harte has never been known for dirty play. Has he just started do behave this way the last few games? I think not,in spite of what you think about Tyrone GAA or Mickey Harte this whole thing stinks." Nobody is stating that he's a dirty player. Being cynical is a completely different thing Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/07/2019 14:28:15 2209063 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Nobody is stating that he's a dirty player. Being cynical is a completely different thing" Well he doesn't have much history of being cynical either in all fairness. But sure since he pulls on a Tyrone Jersey that's enough for some people to try to label him as cynical. Suits the anti-Tyrone agenda they have. Now cue the push back comments...... seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 14:50:14 2209074 Link
There are more conspiracies around here than YouTube's "Anonymous" channel. One common theme in all three of Harte's Black Cards where his clumsy awkward tackling, Maybe one was Black at least two free's at worse. But this happens, especially if you are awkward, you will foul and he needs to just correct that. Harte is a class player and no use to anyone watching matches. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 10/07/2019 15:29:40 2209095 Link
Replying To arock: "There are more conspiracies around here than YouTube's "Anonymous" channel. One common theme in all three of Harte's Black Cards where his clumsy awkward tackling, Maybe one was Black at least two free's at worse. But this happens, especially if you are awkward, you will foul and he needs to just correct that. Harte is a class player and no use to anyone watching matches." Fair enough comment there about the tackling. He might need to be a bit more careful. Still think there wasn't 3 black cards in it. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 15:40:31 2209103 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "Well he doesn't have much history of being cynical either in all fairness. But sure since he pulls on a Tyrone Jersey that's enough for some people to try to label him as cynical. Suits the anti-Tyrone agenda they have. Now cue the push back comments......" Well I think we have established that he has three black cards to his name handed out for Cynical fouls by three seperate referees! So what would be your definition of a cynical player then? Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/07/2019 16:36:09 2209131 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Well I think we have established that he has three black cards to his name handed out for Cynical fouls by three seperate referees! So what would be your definition of a cynical player then?" The fact that there is an article on this website questioning the cards means that it's not only Tyrone fans who are questioning the legitimacy of this whole episode with Peter Harte. Any player can be cynical in a given moment,even Peter,but to be sanctioned for such cynicism 3 games on the trot,twice when your own team was well ahead on the score board,makes no sense and this is why many people are questioning the whole thing. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 16:54:29 2209141 Link
Scrap all 3 and let him play the way he tackles he will have 2 yellows this weekend b4 half time. OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 10/07/2019 16:57:51 2209143 Link
Replying To redbomb: "The Black Card: If a player is deemed guilty of "Cynical behaviour", a black card may be issued. The player will be sent off but a substitution will be allowed. Substitutions are permitted up to the third black card, however if a team receives a fourth, the player sent off cannot be replaced. 'Cynical behaviour' includes these infractions: (1) 'to deliberately pull down an opponent' (2) 'to deliberately trip an opponent' (3) 'to deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away" (4) 'to threaten or use abusive language or gestures to an opponent or team mate' (5) 'to remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a match official' Which of these did he commit for each black card? I have watched them closely and cant see how the refs came up with black cards. Also think back to all the matches we have watched all year and tell me how many time we have see offences from the list go unpunished" Reading those how does any tyrone team finish with more than 10 players on the field. giveballaghback (Roscommon) - Posts: 296 - 10/07/2019 17:28:06 2209159 Link
Replying To giveballaghback: "Reading those how does any tyrone team finish with more than 10 players on the field." Yawwn Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 10/07/2019 18:03:48 2209177 Link
the only fair and proper way to go is a points total for very yellow card you pick up the black card is a really grey area confusion with the yellow abounds its not a deterrent as another player replaces him and will allways favour the stronger team panel a player at the moment can commit a fouls in every game pick a yellow card in every game in league and championship and not miss any games at all however if you had a points award say 2 pt for every yellow 4 for a red eventually persistent fouling would be penalised by missing a game ie when a player reaches a total of 20 pts for example it would be clear and transparent players would be conscious of their points total rising rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 10/07/2019 18:23:22 2209189 Link