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Well more is the pity that it wasn't introduced straight away.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1058 - 10/07/2019 00:08:34 2208803 Link 0 |
In fairness there's more than a few observers questioning what is going on here. Look at the piece on it on this forum for one. The writer is clearly suggesting that all is not what it seems.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 01:08:58 2208810 Link 0 |
Blocking runs and tripping people are cynical as they are done to stop the opposition building an attack, the black card has reduced this hugely. Fouls can be accidental and thats often where the grey area is lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 10/07/2019 07:32:07 2208827 Link 1 |
No offense Dell but you keep arguing that none of them were black cards. I was at the Donegal Tyrone game, standing straight in front of the Harte black card and it was definitely a black card. When you stick your leg out to trip someone then that's a black card. Maybe the others were not and I can't comment as I didn't see them, but that one certainly was so I don't see this witch-hunt hysteria that some see.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1317 - 10/07/2019 09:14:03 2208855 Link 4 |
Dont think anyone can argue about it being a trip but as the rule stands it has to be a deliberate trip. The way I saw the tackle against donegal was that he planted his foot to shoulder McHugh but mchugh was too quick and tripped over his foot before the shoulder connected. I generally like the black card but it's the refs application and the current wording that is the issue. I see a lot of muppets bringing up the sean tackle which was after the black card had already been agreed. But let's get 1 thing clear if you are in an ai final with a few minutes to go and a player is bearing down on goals an opposition player will do everything to stop him scoring. No card what ever the colour will change that. Every fan would scream at their defender if they didn't foul the forward regardless of what they say. kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 10/07/2019 09:52:18 2208866 Link 0 |
Look, if a fella gets 3 3 black cards it's easy to start asking questions. It's a great opportunity to start a campaign for " their all out to get me ". Are you convinced all 3 were dodgy ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 10/07/2019 09:53:42 2208867 Link 0 |
Peter has a bad habit of leading with his feet & if he wants to stop getting cards then he needs to stop doing it. The solving of this problem is within his own gift, blaming everyone else is just a cop out. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 10/07/2019 09:55:56 2208869 Link 2 |
This is the only important comment that has been posted on this thread, and nobody has picked up on it.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 363 - 10/07/2019 10:07:21 2208880 Link 4 |
I've actually never thought of that, surely it should have been discussed at congress when it was been bought in.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 10/07/2019 10:28:10 2208894 Link 0 |
Fair point but i think the league games are included.
lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 10/07/2019 10:55:08 2208923 Link 0 |
I don't believe feel the need to comment on this particular case, but I have serious misgivings about the cumulative black card suspensions in inter-county football, and in the current championship structure it can lead to further inequality between teams. SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 363 - 10/07/2019 11:07:18 2208935 Link 3 |
Very true. Don't foul, no black card.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1706 - 10/07/2019 11:15:23 2208941 Link 1 |
Well if you think about from that perspective,that somethings not right,you need only be convinced that one of the cards were unjustly given. You need to make 3 in a row stick to see the player banned for a game so in this instance I'm saying that the final card against Cavan is most suspect. Why in God's name would a player who's team is heading for a 15/16 point win feel the need to commit such an act in the first place. It makes no sense at all. We have talked on here many times about how players would be more than willing to take one for the team if a game was in the balance approaching the final whistle. This was not the case in 2 of these 3 instances,so it's hard to justify giving them out when looking at it like this.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 11:52:31 2208963 Link 0 |
So do you think there's a concerted attempt against Harte to get him banned ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 10/07/2019 12:07:50 2208974 Link 0 |
I'll try to answer if I can. A trip and a kick, for example, are two different things though sometimes a player might be trying to do both and the ref might go with the black instead of a red. However, you can usually tell by the aggressiveness of the leg movement. Aggressive abuse to a matach official might, for example, be when a player shouts very loudly at a MO and/or moves towards him but doesn't use any bad language. Any bad language at the MO is a straight red for me every time. There is no guide for refs on this!! Accidental may still be a foul. Trips can be accidental but you still have to give a free. A player could be taken out accidentally, still a free. Accidental is never a card. Most of the BC rules were yellow before the BC came in and as far as I call aggressive remonstration wasn't specifically defined but was treated as dissent - depending on the ref of course! Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 10/07/2019 12:15:24 2208981 Link 1 |
If a team like tyrone consistently pull down players when a move is developing, stamp/knee players after a free is given, tackle feet first,and generally play cynically the accidental argument must go out the window. This all goes back to management style. It should be dealt with even if guilty manager whinges about being singled out for the year. Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 10/07/2019 12:26:45 2208994 Link 3 |
Peter Harte has never been known for dirty play. Has he just started do behave this way the last few games? I think not,in spite of what you think about Tyrone GAA or Mickey Harte this whole thing stinks.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 12:34:37 2208996 Link 2 |
Most of the black cards I see given are dodgy with some very clear ones ignored. It is a very difficult task to know when there is intent. I would like the Refs to come down much harder on a player being slowed down with his run both beside and away from the ball. How did the Ref allow pushing and pulling in middle of park before the start of Mayo/Galway match.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2340 - 10/07/2019 12:35:04 2208997 Link 5 |
Dublin are the best at fouling and getting away with, as has been the case with all the best/good teams . Kerry in the 70's were experts -ask Jimmy Barry Murphy
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2340 - 10/07/2019 12:39:59 2209003 Link 6 |
My guess would be that it's not against Peter Harte personally if that could be believed,but more likely it's intended to be a way to get back at Tyrone GAA and Mickey Harte for being so out spoken against the black card in the first place. It could be that it's all on the back of the last ref in the Cavan game and the others are blameless. He could have seen an opportunity to hit back at Mickey and did it on his own initiative. Everything had been teed up for him at that point. I'd love to know was there much history between them. Regardless of how we got here it seems a bit much for one player to get 3 blacks like just happened with Peter Harte in this way. Something about it all seems to have been manufactured and outside of anything we understand the black card to be used for. Peter isn't now and has never been a dirty/cynical player.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/07/2019 12:44:51 2209008 Link 0 |