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Roscommon Vs Tyrone

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Interesting game. Still hard to know where Tyrone are at. I talked them down at the start of the year as I felt they didn't beat too much to get to the final last year and then the finale was a damp squib.

And now I am seeing them in Group I fully expect them to qualify from to get into a semi final after again beating teams I expect them to beat. I am as undecided as I was last year. Maybe I am being too harsh on them?"
Don't think your being too harsh, considering we haven't beaten any of the big 3 since 2008. Tyrone have only beaten teams they where expected to beat (except for Donegal last year). Which in a way Harte and the team deserve massive credit for, as Tyrone rarely seem to get beat by the underdog. Saturday was their 31st qualifier win, with 1 draw and 4 defeats.

I'm pretty undecided this year aswell, Tyrone do have momentum, they have won 5 games this year already but this Roscommon game is the biggest yet imo. Its going to be a completely different match than last year, Dr Hyde could make the difference.

Nice to see the 'Come out ye black and tans' getting another run on the BBC again this week.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 09/07/2019 13:56:12    2208447

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Replying To Condorman:  "I'm not bashing Roscommon but it's true that Mayo had 17 wides and should have beaten them while Galway were beating them handy till they put the slippers on and lit up the pipe!
Tyrone are a much more unforgiving outfit."
To be fair, Roscommon went to sleep for 15 mins against Galway. Up to that they were level and they destroyed them in 2nd half so it wasn't just about Galway collapsing

Douglas_44 (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 09/07/2019 14:19:35    2208458

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Replying To greysoil:  "Fridge - what is your opinion on the behaviour of the Tyrone team members going through Aughnacloy after the game in Clones? Have to say I was surprised & dismayed. Not a dig, just wondering what Tyrone supporters think of it."
More power to them. Parades always conveniently arranged to coincide with mass numbers of GAA supporters going through there after games.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 09/07/2019 15:04:18    2208484

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Replying To TakeyourPoint.:  "Don't think your being too harsh, considering we haven't beaten any of the big 3 since 2008. Tyrone have only beaten teams they where expected to beat (except for Donegal last year). Which in a way Harte and the team deserve massive credit for, as Tyrone rarely seem to get beat by the underdog. Saturday was their 31st qualifier win, with 1 draw and 4 defeats.

I'm pretty undecided this year aswell, Tyrone do have momentum, they have won 5 games this year already but this Roscommon game is the biggest yet imo. Its going to be a completely different match than last year, Dr Hyde could make the difference.

Nice to see the 'Come out ye black and tans' getting another run on the BBC again this week."
Except Donegal this year you mean. Last year the bookies had us evens as far as i remember. This year, you guys were red hot favorites.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 09/07/2019 15:47:28    2208507

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Replying To greysoil:  "Fridge - what is your opinion on the behaviour of the Tyrone team members going through Aughnacloy after the game in Clones? Have to say I was surprised & dismayed. Not a dig, just wondering what Tyrone supporters think of it."
Yeah look it shouldn't have happened, ignore the comments on FB and twitter etc because they are childish and ignorant.

There was outrage after the Northern Ireland fans singing songs in Belfast before NI game so we cant be two faced and not say its wrong.

Now the two incidents were different to be fair but along the same lines.

However certain elements are trying to make a bigger thing of it for political or point scoring

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 09/07/2019 16:10:05    2208521

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Roscommon have some serious talent and I would argue more natural ability than the Tyrone team.

That will not be enough. Tyrone are the fittest and most organised and coached team outside of Dublin. If they get an early lead against Roscommon they will not give it up.

Tyrone +5

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 09/07/2019 16:19:55    2208527

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Yeah look it shouldn't have happened, ignore the comments on FB and twitter etc because they are childish and ignorant.

There was outrage after the Northern Ireland fans singing songs in Belfast before NI game so we cant be two faced and not say its wrong.

Now the two incidents were different to be fair but along the same lines.

However certain elements are trying to make a bigger thing of it for political or point scoring"
Thanks Fridge. I was a wee bit disappointed as always hoping that we can move on. As a Donegal poster already pointed out, the timing of the flute recital was probably not a coincidence. Would love to get to a place where each tradition had an appreciation of the other. Probably not going to get much better between now? October 31 & beyond unfortunately

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 09/07/2019 17:01:34    2208545

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Except Donegal this year you mean. Last year the bookies had us evens as far as i remember. This year, you guys were red hot favorites."
I look at it differently from the bookies to be fair. From my point of view, I find it very difficult to make Donegal or Tyrone favourites when they play each other, in the past 10 years every game has been too close to call. Id be very surprised if you even considered us red hot favourites this year.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 09/07/2019 17:04:54    2208547

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "More power to them. Parades always conveniently arranged to coincide with mass numbers of GAA supporters going through there after games."
They shouldn't have apologised either as far as I'm concerned.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 09/07/2019 17:25:41    2208561

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Replying To HighKings:  "They shouldn't have apologised either as far as I'm concerned."
They'll be expected to sing a few bars of 'Men of Roscommon' in the Hyde on Saturday so they were getting in some practice.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 09/07/2019 18:27:06    2208584

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Interesting one. I expect Roscommon to give a very good account of themselves or maybe even sneak the win.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 09/07/2019 18:55:01    2208591

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The Hyde isn't a fortress for Roscommon unfortunately so it'll need a full house and vociferous fans which should happen. Ok So the league isn't a good indicator but Roscommon were not going to be bullied by Tyrone that day and if Ultan Harney hadn't had a rush of blood to the head in the last second of that game, Roscommon would have taken a major scalp and be playing Division One again next year. (you may recall his charge on the keeper after we had been awarded a free right in front of the posts and the ref threw up the ball).

It's true that Galway collapsed and Mayo kicked 17 wides including the one at the death which wasn't a free in a million years anyway but that's not giving much credit to Roscommon. Remember that they lost by just a point to Mayo on a tough league night in Castlebar as well and they didn't take too many backward steps when Dublin came rolling in to town.

I think they've got a real chance here. It's a do or die game for both teams as the losers will only have Cork afterwards as a realistic two points in this group.

Tyrone were ruthless in front of goals last year. I don't think they had a wide in the first half and that put the game beyond us and we were effectively out of the the Super 8s by the time Donegal came to the Hyde. Roscommon will be putting far too much pressure on Tyrone for a turkey shoot to happen on Saturday. Big games will be required from Cregg, Smith and Cox in attack to keep the Rossies in it. I have a lot more faith in our defence this year than last and if they go down it'll be with their boots on because last year hurt them. We also need to do better on our knockouts. I think the three week break helps us as winning Connaught the hard way would have needed a week to come down from and the two weeks to refocus. (Didn't bother Laois though!)

Assuming there'll be at least one major surprise in these Q/Fs, why not this one?

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 09/07/2019 19:09:52    2208596

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Fancy Tyrone but this will be no walkover Roscommon have improved

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 20:29:04    2208638

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Replying To realdub:  "Interesting one. I expect Roscommon to give a very good account of themselves or maybe even sneak the win."
Your version of the harney incident in the league game if as far out as a lighthouse but Im not going into that now,
The hyde is one of the biggest pitches in the country and this will suit rossies as a lot of their play comes from the wings. Tyrones blanket may be stretched a bit so there will be space as ros will not play a narrow game like Cavan and kildare did.
I expect this game to go down to the wire, I just hope Ros come out the right side. We are due one against Tyrone.
Hon the Rossies.

giveballaghback (Roscommon) - Posts: 296 - 09/07/2019 20:52:11    2208649

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Replying To giveballaghback:  "Your version of the harney incident in the league game if as far out as a lighthouse but Im not going into that now,
The hyde is one of the biggest pitches in the country and this will suit rossies as a lot of their play comes from the wings. Tyrones blanket may be stretched a bit so there will be space as ros will not play a narrow game like Cavan and kildare did.
I expect this game to go down to the wire, I just hope Ros come out the right side. We are due one against Tyrone.
Hon the Rossies."
I presume you are replying to me in your post? If so, then please DO get into the Harney comment I made rather than hide behind some vague comment. Roscommon won a free just outside the penalty area in front of goal and Ultan Harney came charging in on the keeper after the whistle had blown. The referee cancelled the free and threw up the ball thus denying Roscommon and near certain victory since it was the last play of the game and the scores were level at the time. Please correct any inaccuracy that justifies me being "as far off as a lighthouse"

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 09/07/2019 21:25:09    2208685

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Replying To giveballaghback:  "Your version of the harney incident in the league game if as far out as a lighthouse but Im not going into that now,
The hyde is one of the biggest pitches in the country and this will suit rossies as a lot of their play comes from the wings. Tyrones blanket may be stretched a bit so there will be space as ros will not play a narrow game like Cavan and kildare did.
I expect this game to go down to the wire, I just hope Ros come out the right side. We are due one against Tyrone.
Hon the Rossies."
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realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 09/07/2019 21:27:01    2208686

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This is a great match up for both teams. For Tyrone it is better than going to play Kerry or Donegal away and they must win if they want to reach the semi-final. Like last year Tyrone are kicking on the more games they play and with a good spread of scores I expect them to win by four points.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 09/07/2019 21:36:56    2208694

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Replying To Douglas_44:  "To be fair, Roscommon went to sleep for 15 mins against Galway. Up to that they were level and they destroyed them in 2nd half so it wasn't just about Galway collapsing"
Deluding yourself.It was a total collapse.
Two points with wind advantage?

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 09/07/2019 22:52:58    2208751

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Replying To Sindar:  "The Hyde isn't a fortress for Roscommon unfortunately so it'll need a full house and vociferous fans which should happen. Ok So the league isn't a good indicator but Roscommon were not going to be bullied by Tyrone that day and if Ultan Harney hadn't had a rush of blood to the head in the last second of that game, Roscommon would have taken a major scalp and be playing Division One again next year. (you may recall his charge on the keeper after we had been awarded a free right in front of the posts and the ref threw up the ball).

It's true that Galway collapsed and Mayo kicked 17 wides including the one at the death which wasn't a free in a million years anyway but that's not giving much credit to Roscommon. Remember that they lost by just a point to Mayo on a tough league night in Castlebar as well and they didn't take too many backward steps when Dublin came rolling in to town.

I think they've got a real chance here. It's a do or die game for both teams as the losers will only have Cork afterwards as a realistic two points in this group.

Tyrone were ruthless in front of goals last year. I don't think they had a wide in the first half and that put the game beyond us and we were effectively out of the the Super 8s by the time Donegal came to the Hyde. Roscommon will be putting far too much pressure on Tyrone for a turkey shoot to happen on Saturday. Big games will be required from Cregg, Smith and Cox in attack to keep the Rossies in it. I have a lot more faith in our defence this year than last and if they go down it'll be with their boots on because last year hurt them. We also need to do better on our knockouts. I think the three week break helps us as winning Connaught the hard way would have needed a week to come down from and the two weeks to refocus. (Didn't bother Laois though!)

Assuming there'll be at least one major surprise in these Q/Fs, why not this one?"
Think you should look at that Harney incident again , keepers ( Morgan ) was the one who charged in. It used to be the case that the third man got a red card which Morgan should have got for going down with his knees on an a player. Harney just pushed him off . The powers that be said the referee (Mooney)made the right decision after the game . But how many league or championship games did he get scene then? 0.

Itoldyouso (Roscommon) - Posts: 40 - 10/07/2019 00:11:36    2208804

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Roscommon have a right chance. Underrated and fired up away to ourselves and Galway Anthony Cunningham had them fighting to the end with an intensity the opposition couldn't match and smart use of the bench. They won't be found wanting in the physical encounters with Tyrone. The Daly brothers sure to give the Ulster men an early welcome. Still underdogs, which Cunningham will use to rev them up, and at home in front of a packed Hyde jammed with partisan support. Tyrone don't want to take this as lightly as some pundits anticipate for the away win. Should be a cracker of a game.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 10/07/2019 10:28:04    2208893

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