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Donegal V Meath

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Very fair point. You'll probably see Hugh McFadden back there as a sweeper so even if Newman wins the ball in he'll be swarmed straight away, similar to what happened Mattie Donnelly and Cathal McShane after the first 10 minutes.

We will give you plenty chances though, that's one thing that's been obvious all summer."
Against Dublin, Meath pumped two high balls into Newman in the first few minutes and Philly got there first on both occasions. Meath immediately stopped doing it. I still think had they persisted with the early ball in tactic it would have yielded a lot more scores, even with Cian and Philly acting as rotating sweepers. Clearly Gavin had his homework done and figured if you neutralise Newman you'll choke the Meath attack. He was right. Hopefully Meath will vary their tactics coming into the super 8s. They have the forwards to do damage if you let them have the ball within shooting range.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/07/2019 18:23:12    2208581

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Replying To the_walls:  "Dead right hey. It's just a conspiracy on behalf of the bookmaking industry to slight the good name of Meath GAA, even if that means that they lose money!"
I encourage you to put as much as possible on the handicap. Go on please:)
Btw if I were you I'd be more worried about Kerry. You don't want to be facing a team you haven't beat since 1951 needing a win.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2019 19:15:47    2208600

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Replying To Joxer:  "Against Dublin, Meath pumped two high balls into Newman in the first few minutes and Philly got there first on both occasions. Meath immediately stopped doing it. I still think had they persisted with the early ball in tactic it would have yielded a lot more scores, even with Cian and Philly acting as rotating sweepers. Clearly Gavin had his homework done and figured if you neutralise Newman you'll choke the Meath attack. He was right. Hopefully Meath will vary their tactics coming into the super 8s. They have the forwards to do damage if you let them have the ball within shooting range."
It nearly yielded a goal very early on. I'd i agree it should have been persisted with for longer than it was. Even if he was to just bat it down to Conlon. But by mistakes you learn. Extremely young team looking at Sunday, Conlon just turned 21, McGowan 20, Devine 21, walsh just finished leaving cert. this is all about learning going forward.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2019 19:20:06    2208601

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Replying To Joxer:  "Against Dublin, Meath pumped two high balls into Newman in the first few minutes and Philly got there first on both occasions. Meath immediately stopped doing it. I still think had they persisted with the early ball in tactic it would have yielded a lot more scores, even with Cian and Philly acting as rotating sweepers. Clearly Gavin had his homework done and figured if you neutralise Newman you'll choke the Meath attack. He was right. Hopefully Meath will vary their tactics coming into the super 8s. They have the forwards to do damage if you let them have the ball within shooting range."
Joxer, and others. what about if Newman had of stayed around the square and didn't catch the ball but fisted the ball over the bar or even better in to the net. I believe its a tactic that is rarely used anymore.
My father used tell me about great players that used it years ago, so I did myself the odd time when I played. I catches goalkeepers and defenders unaware nearly every time. I bet if you went to every training session in the country you would struggle to see if the skill been coached. I was coaching U16s and I spent a bit of time just so they knew it was a option.
I dont remember telling them to do it but just so they where aware of it. We did.nt have any tall forwards. I am not saying to leave Newman in the square and pump ball in 24/7. But I would like to it see been used more. Damien comer did against Mayo last weekend it came back of the post. Clare did against Meath and got a goal. Bernard Brogan fisted a goal against kerry a few years ago. I agree Dublin have the high ball in sussed they just break the to defenders gather it and its game over. Most teams do the same but. But it would be interesting to see if fisted the ball might work instead of catching it. The likes of Paul Mc Shane would be perfect to have ago at it from time to time.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 10/07/2019 08:38:17    2208841

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Replying To Joxer:  "Against Dublin, Meath pumped two high balls into Newman in the first few minutes and Philly got there first on both occasions. Meath immediately stopped doing it. I still think had they persisted with the early ball in tactic it would have yielded a lot more scores, even with Cian and Philly acting as rotating sweepers. Clearly Gavin had his homework done and figured if you neutralise Newman you'll choke the Meath attack. He was right. Hopefully Meath will vary their tactics coming into the super 8s. They have the forwards to do damage if you let them have the ball within shooting range."
That first high ball was kicked towards Cillian O'Sullivan on the square which was bizarre, he's not even 6 foot. And it was a horrible ball, skied a mile up into the air. A defenders dream.

Dublin stopped our attacking play not by neutralising Newman but by packing the middle of their defence. Once they got either one or sometimes two sweepers back it meant we couldn't come through the middle. That's where the majority of our scores come. Keogan, Menton, O'Sullivan etc bursting through the middle and then laying it off for a score. We're too one dimensional in attack. Hugh McFadden will be blocking that space this weekend.

On the other side of things we foolish don't get a sweeper to block the middle when the opposition attacks. We give no protection to our fullback line. It is very naive.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/07/2019 09:46:44    2208865

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I encourage you to put as much as possible on the handicap. Go on please:)
Btw if I were you I'd be more worried about Kerry. You don't want to be facing a team you haven't beat since 1951 needing a win."
I would have thought that the no show against Dublin would weigh more heavily on the present team than results againt Kerry 70 years ago.

For Meath to win this game they really need a good start, if they fall behind early on then I can't see them winning the game.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 10/07/2019 09:58:32    2208871

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Its the12th is Friday. Whats the craic with traveling thought the north on Sunday ?

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 10/07/2019 10:51:15    2208915

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Its the12th is Friday. Whats the craic with traveling thought the north on Sunday ?"
If you go to the Parades Commission website they have a breakdown of where parades are happening on which dates and times. I doubt there would be many on Sunday: https://www.paradescommission.org/

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 10/07/2019 11:07:09    2208934

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Its the12th is Friday. Whats the craic with traveling thought the north on Sunday ?"
It's 2019 not 1969. No problem . Up the M1..exit by Arden ..,aim for Omagh and then into the promised land.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 11:26:07    2208949

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "If you go to the Parades Commission website they have a breakdown of where parades are happening on which dates and times. I doubt there would be many on Sunday: https://www.paradescommission.org/"
Cheers thanks Joe.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 10/07/2019 11:31:23    2208950

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Its the12th is Friday. Whats the craic with traveling thought the north on Sunday ?"
Don't sing any rebel songs as you drive past one. Or do, but don't release a video.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 244 - 10/07/2019 11:37:55    2208956

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Its the12th is Friday. Whats the craic with traveling thought the north on Sunday ?"
If going from the Kells side of Meath, I would be more wary of getting stuck behind a tractor in Cavan or Fermanagh. They don't move.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 11:39:48    2208958

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Replying To Rockies:  "It's 2019 not 1969. No problem . Up the M1..exit by Arden ..,aim for Omagh and then into the promised land."
Unless you want half of Meath driving towards Louth to get to Donegal I'd recommend going up the N3 instead. For those closer to the coast the N2 will be the option.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/07/2019 11:57:04    2208968

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Replying To Rockies:  "It's 2019 not 1969. No problem . Up the M1..exit by Arden ..,aim for Omagh and then into the promised land."
Would recommend the N3 and head through Enniskillen. Would doubt many are going the route you've suggested unless living in Dublin or Ashbourne.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 10/07/2019 12:08:13    2208975

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Would recommend the N3 and head through Enniskillen. Would doubt many are going the route you've suggested unless living in Dublin or Ashbourne."
Or Navan

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 12:37:41    2208999

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Replying To Rockies:  "It's 2019 not 1969. No problem . Up the M1..exit by Arden ..,aim for Omagh and then into the promised land."
No tractors on Sunday-sabbath observed, the keep the tractors locked up!. The best way going from Kells /Navan is up the N3, go on Cavanbypass and continue on main Rd where by Belturbet is bypassed (very good road from Cavan to the Fermanagh border). Go thu Teemore/ Derrylin and into Enniskillen, head out towards Brewster park and go Irvinstown Rd where you turn left and head to Kesh and then to Pettigo. You then head over the mountain into Old Laghy. Go to Donegal town bypass and then thru the Barnsmore Gap to Ballyboyey- have a pleasant journey as a good day is forecast. This is the route most Donegal folk take to Donegal town and would not normally be busy on Sundays.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/07/2019 13:22:33    2209035

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Replying To browncows:  "No tractors on Sunday-sabbath observed, the keep the tractors locked up!. The best way going from Kells /Navan is up the N3, go on Cavanbypass and continue on main Rd where by Belturbet is bypassed (very good road from Cavan to the Fermanagh border). Go thu Teemore/ Derrylin and into Enniskillen, head out towards Brewster park and go Irvinstown Rd where you turn left and head to Kesh and then to Pettigo. You then head over the mountain into Old Laghy. Go to Donegal town bypass and then thru the Barnsmore Gap to Ballyboyey- have a pleasant journey as a good day is forecast. This is the route most Donegal folk take to Donegal town and would not normally be busy on Sundays."
Good route and so detailed. I've taken that way... no tractors and might be ok. Donegal should win this one..but Meath are much better than they looked against Dubs

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 14:36:51    2209066

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Its the12th is Friday. Whats the craic with traveling thought the north on Sunday ?"
It's a trek..,, Stay a night in Ballybofey.,,Jackson's Hotel is good....honestly if coming from East Meath take Omagh/strabane/lifford Will take you right into Ballybofey...better road.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 16:22:37    2209120

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "I would have thought that the no show against Dublin would weigh more heavily on the present team than results againt Kerry 70 years ago.

For Meath to win this game they really need a good start, if they fall behind early on then I can't see them winning the game."
I'll Clarify , I was speaking of the fact that mayo haven't beat Meath since 51, and that I'd be more worried going into that game if I were from mayo, should they not beat Kerry. Hopefully cleared that up.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/07/2019 17:30:21    2209161

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'll Clarify , I was speaking of the fact that mayo haven't beat Meath since 51, and that I'd be more worried going into that game if I were from mayo, should they not beat Kerry. Hopefully cleared that up."
Fair enough royal but I can only guess that Meath & Mayo haven't met that often in the past few years.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 10/07/2019 19:05:57    2209203

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