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Replying To realdub: "You think we'll beat Tyrone in Omagh by 10+? I'll have a pint of yours please mate :D" No I meant Tyrone will beat Cork by 10+ sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 11/07/2019 08:09:37 2209323 Link
Replying To sam1884: "It was a horrible performance from Cavan against a Tyrone team who played well but I feel Cavan were beat before they entered the pitch. However Cavan are still a much better team than at least two super 8 teams and maybe 3 as are one or two other counties. The system has allowed Cork an almost free passage into the super 8's, they're there due to geography." I for one feel that this will prove to be a step too far for Cork, however to say teams that have fallen by the wayside are better and should be there is speculation and without any real basis. League, Cork were poor but that is League. Championship is a different animal. It is highly plausible that Tyrone beat Cork by the same margin they beat Cavan. However, if Cork lost by 5 points say to Dublin or Tyrone, does that automatically make them a better side than Cavan. I would say no. It's a different game on a different day. Just like Cavan wouldn't fear Cork, I don't think Cork would fear Cavan. I don't think it is something you can easily say that Cavan are currently better than Cork. You may suspect as much but it's only your opinion. You can say that the system is not fair, that Ulster teams and currently Connacht teams have a raw deal because of the competitive nature of their championships. I could argue that Cork got a raw deal in the 60's, 70's and early 80's when Cork were probably as good as nearly any county but never got out of Munster due to Kerry. It was similar in Leinster when that was a fiercely competitive championship, whilst Connacht and Ulster were not as strong in that period. It's the luck and cycle of things. Now I would prefer a straight open drawer, however it currently is what it is. Not Cork, Kerry or Dublin's fault for that matter. The only thing I can say with certainty is that whoever wins this All Ireland, like all others won previously, would have deserved it and can call themselves the best team at that time. The rest is speculation and opinion, not fact. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 11/07/2019 10:44:46 2209385 Link
I dont think Cork will win but i do think they could cause Dublin some problems and be much closer than the handicap of 11 points woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 11/07/2019 11:13:17 2209397 Link
Replying To sam1884: "No I meant Tyrone will beat Cork by 10+" Cork for Sam! Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 11/07/2019 11:31:51 2209415 Link
Replying To BaldyBadger: "I for one feel that this will prove to be a step too far for Cork, however to say teams that have fallen by the wayside are better and should be there is speculation and without any real basis. League, Cork were poor but that is League. Championship is a different animal. It is highly plausible that Tyrone beat Cork by the same margin they beat Cavan. However, if Cork lost by 5 points say to Dublin or Tyrone, does that automatically make them a better side than Cavan. I would say no. It's a different game on a different day. Just like Cavan wouldn't fear Cork, I don't think Cork would fear Cavan. I don't think it is something you can easily say that Cavan are currently better than Cork. You may suspect as much but it's only your opinion. You can say that the system is not fair, that Ulster teams and currently Connacht teams have a raw deal because of the competitive nature of their championships. I could argue that Cork got a raw deal in the 60's, 70's and early 80's when Cork were probably as good as nearly any county but never got out of Munster due to Kerry. It was similar in Leinster when that was a fiercely competitive championship, whilst Connacht and Ulster were not as strong in that period. It's the luck and cycle of things. Now I would prefer a straight open drawer, however it currently is what it is. Not Cork, Kerry or Dublin's fault for that matter. The only thing I can say with certainty is that whoever wins this All Ireland, like all others won previously, would have deserved it and can call themselves the best team at that time. The rest is speculation and opinion, not fact." You make fair points about the great Kerry team but then from 1986 when Kerry went into the wildnerness Cork benefited from being one win from the All Ireland series. It goes in roundabouts but it doesn't mean it's a fair system. Monaghan, Galway and Cavan all played Div 1 this year but had to play games against other Div 1 teams although Monaghan were well beaten by an upcoming Armagh team who then happened to draw Mayo away. Cork on the other hand were handed a home game against a Div 4 team then against a Div 3 team. So no matter what way you look at it Cork are more than lucky to be at this stage of the Championship and I don't think this Cork team would have beaten Galway, Cavan, Armagh or maybe even Monaghan (although Monaghan were in a bad way) also would have had a battle with Clare in my opinion. No facts fair enough but basing my views on performances to date from those teams. So good luck to Cork as the championship needs a strong Cork team and this huge slice of luck or design may help bring Cork football back to a decent level where we know it belongs. For some counties it's almost impossible to get to the super 8 despite being a better team than the likes of Cork but sometimes you should take advantage of opportunties given to it - sadly for the neutral it won't be fun watching their games. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 11/07/2019 13:04:39 2209472 Link
Ticket sales don't seem to hot. Do you think it will beat the leinster final attendance of 47k? Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 11/07/2019 14:25:02 2209517 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Cork for Sam!" Go on the rebels. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/07/2019 15:45:15 2209559 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Go on the rebels." We are preparing the ambush. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 11/07/2019 16:10:30 2209575 Link
Replying To Rockies: "We are preparing the ambush." We are Doomed !! superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 11/07/2019 19:45:36 2209648 Link
Replying To sam1884: "You make fair points about the great Kerry team but then from 1986 when Kerry went into the wildnerness Cork benefited from being one win from the All Ireland series. It goes in roundabouts but it doesn't mean it's a fair system. Monaghan, Galway and Cavan all played Div 1 this year but had to play games against other Div 1 teams although Monaghan were well beaten by an upcoming Armagh team who then happened to draw Mayo away. Cork on the other hand were handed a home game against a Div 4 team then against a Div 3 team. So no matter what way you look at it Cork are more than lucky to be at this stage of the Championship and I don't think this Cork team would have beaten Galway, Cavan, Armagh or maybe even Monaghan (although Monaghan were in a bad way) also would have had a battle with Clare in my opinion. No facts fair enough but basing my views on performances to date from those teams. So good luck to Cork as the championship needs a strong Cork team and this huge slice of luck or design may help bring Cork football back to a decent level where we know it belongs. For some counties it's almost impossible to get to the super 8 despite being a better team than the likes of Cork but sometimes you should take advantage of opportunties given to it - sadly for the neutral it won't be fun watching their games." As I said, everyone will have their opinions. If I'm honest I know what you mean and you could well be proven right at the end of the next few weeks in terms of entertainment if Cork are not close in these games, albeit they have played very entertaining football to date in the Championship. It probably runs the risk of being naive. My only real contention with what you say is that I doubt on recent weeks performances Cavan for example would be much more competitive. Anyway I accept your points and that you will most likely be right, however I'll hope your not. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 11/07/2019 19:51:36 2209654 Link
Replying To BaldyBadger: "As I said, everyone will have their opinions. If I'm honest I know what you mean and you could well be proven right at the end of the next few weeks in terms of entertainment if Cork are not close in these games, albeit they have played very entertaining football to date in the Championship. It probably runs the risk of being naive. My only real contention with what you say is that I doubt on recent weeks performances Cavan for example would be much more competitive. Anyway I accept your points and that you will most likely be right, however I'll hope your not." As they say ...Cute Cork hoors, but mean ( main) Cavan b.....ds Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 11/07/2019 20:44:23 2209686 Link
They have to lose sometime lads. Saturday night is as good a time as any. I'm lumping on Cork. lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 11/07/2019 21:10:56 2209696 Link
Replying To sam1884: "You make fair points about the great Kerry team but then from 1986 when Kerry went into the wildnerness Cork benefited from being one win from the All Ireland series. It goes in roundabouts but it doesn't mean it's a fair system. Monaghan, Galway and Cavan all played Div 1 this year but had to play games against other Div 1 teams although Monaghan were well beaten by an upcoming Armagh team who then happened to draw Mayo away. Cork on the other hand were handed a home game against a Div 4 team then against a Div 3 team. So no matter what way you look at it Cork are more than lucky to be at this stage of the Championship and I don't think this Cork team would have beaten Galway, Cavan, Armagh or maybe even Monaghan (although Monaghan were in a bad way) also would have had a battle with Clare in my opinion. No facts fair enough but basing my views on performances to date from those teams. So good luck to Cork as the championship needs a strong Cork team and this huge slice of luck or design may help bring Cork football back to a decent level where we know it belongs. For some counties it's almost impossible to get to the super 8 despite being a better team than the likes of Cork but sometimes you should take advantage of opportunties given to it - sadly for the neutral it won't be fun watching their games." As I said, everyone will have their opinions. If I'm honest I know what you mean and you could well be proven right at the end of the next few weeks in terms of entertainment if Cork are not close in these games, albeit they have played very entertaining football to date in the Championship. It probably runs the risk of being naive. My only real contention with what you say is that I doubt on recent weeks performances Cavan for example would be much more competitive. Anyway I accept your points and that you will most likely be right, however I'll hope your not. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 11/07/2019 22:38:01 2209739 Link
This will be a great test of our back line to be honest, that what i will be keeping an eye on, id be very tempted to throw Rory in if im honest. A couple of 50/50 decisions for us for starts young Gavin Vs MDM or Deano Vs Cormac. That said i could see Super Brian 2 going into midfield and Cormac going to half forward with Deano at corner forward. With Rory Deane and a couple of others im saying a prayer for Cian O Sullivans Hamstrings. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 12/07/2019 10:41:01 2209847 Link
Ronan 0' Toole replaces Killian O' Hanlon at midfield. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 12/07/2019 11:37:37 2209882 Link
Replying To Rockies: "We are preparing the ambush." Ambush? I don't think so. Dublin will be baying for Cork blood after that challenge game defeat a few weeks back :) GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 12/07/2019 19:29:05 2210093 Link
Replying To lilylanger: "They have to lose sometime lads. Saturday night is as good a time as any. I'm lumping on Cork." I wouldn't be lumping anything on the Cork footballers Lily after all this is a team that got relegated to Div 3 and only had to beat Laois to get into the Super 8 katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 12/07/2019 21:06:32 2210125 Link
Replying To katser: "I wouldn't be lumping anything on the Cork footballers Lily after all this is a team that got relegated to Div 3 and only had to beat Laois to get into the Super 8" Don't know. At some stage the Dubs have to be beaten. With each game the likelihood of that happening increases. Cork started at 16/ 1 they're now down to 12/1. Folk -some might say they're fools- are betting on Cork. I guess I'm still haunted by the memory of 2014 when Donegal at 8/1 destroyed Dublin. Tomorro feels olike an ambush about to happen. Feel sorry for the Cork team as I know they won't get the support they deserve form their fans. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 12/07/2019 21:52:58 2210139 Link
Replying To avonali: "Don't know. At some stage the Dubs have to be beaten. With each game the likelihood of that happening increases. Cork started at 16/ 1 they're now down to 12/1. Folk -some might say they're fools- are betting on Cork. I guess I'm still haunted by the memory of 2014 when Donegal at 8/1 destroyed Dublin. Tomorro feels olike an ambush about to happen. Feel sorry for the Cork team as I know they won't get the support they deserve form their fans." Cork might give them a fright but I'll be very surprised if the Dubs lose in the group phase. The pressure on them is going to ratchet up progressively from here. If they do crack, I think it will be either the semi-final or final. That's where the pressure is going to be huge. I do hope it's a good game tomorrow. It would be good to see Cork back in the mix. offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 12/07/2019 22:21:02 2210151 Link
Replying To avonali: "Don't know. At some stage the Dubs have to be beaten. With each game the likelihood of that happening increases. Cork started at 16/ 1 they're now down to 12/1. Folk -some might say they're fools- are betting on Cork. I guess I'm still haunted by the memory of 2014 when Donegal at 8/1 destroyed Dublin. Tomorro feels olike an ambush about to happen. Feel sorry for the Cork team as I know they won't get the support they deserve form their fans." I think as time goes on the lillikood actually increases. Every year you grow stronger as your resources are more and more realised. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 13/07/2019 05:04:02 2210192 Link