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The purpose of expanding it from 5 to 6 teams is to give an ambitious county a realistic shot at developing into a proper tier 1 hurling team. The current format has been a huge success in both Leinster and Munster for the tier 1 counties, their supporters, tv networks and financially. The tier 2 and 3 sides have been thrown in the rubbish bin. The debate should be: 1. Would 6 teams in either province be welcomed by the tier 2 counties 2. Would it improve, harm or have no impact on the current 5 team format in the provincial championship. 3. When should the change be implemented. I don't think there are too many in Leinster that would object to an expansion of their championship. In Munster, if this forum is anything to go by, there are many against it. I'm not really sure why but I'm not convinced that it has anything to do with Kerry's hurling welfare. If I'm mistaken in this regard, maybe the suits up in Dublin and the Munster council could help. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 12/07/2019 10:37:02 2209843 Link 0 |
Small groups based on geographical locations can be hit or miss. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 12/07/2019 11:32:05 2209881 Link 0 |
The 5th placed team in Munster have the luxury of a relegation playoff should Kerry ever win the McDonagh Cup. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 12/07/2019 11:57:40 2209895 Link 1 |
Why aren't Kerry pushing to enter the Munster championship?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 12/07/2019 12:21:47 2209909 Link 0 |
Sure we have to win the McDonagh Cup first? Full credit to Laois, Westmeath and Antrim for finishing above us. We beat Offaly to avoid relegation to the Ring Cup.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 12/07/2019 12:43:19 2209918 Link 1 |
You have to win the McDonagh and then beat the bottom team in Munster. An earlier post from someone in Tipp said Kerry wouldn't want to be in the provincial championship. Is that correct or just pure guff Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 12/07/2019 13:07:10 2209934 Link 0 |
Pure guff. A few years back the Ring winner had the option of joining the provincial championship or remaining in the Ring. The first two winners under that arrangement took promotion to Leinster. When Kerry won the Ring we declined. It was a different system. We were next in line after two teams were promoted in successive years. It didn't mean we were ready for Munster Championship. The GAA later corrected that by establishing the qualifier group that has subsequently become the McDonagh Cup. If Kerry had won the McDonagh Cup this year, we will have played Waterford in a promotion-relegation playoff. That result would have determined out promotion or not. If Leinster is expanded to 6, it will give us a better chance of making the McDonagh final. Then we can dream of taking on the 5th team in Munster. Ciarraí abú! legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 12/07/2019 14:29:45 2209971 Link 1 |
So why aren't Kerry pushing to be the 6th team in Leinster then? If its happening in Leinster, why aren't they so keen? StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 12/07/2019 15:28:02 2209997 Link 0 |
For me this would be the obvious solution. It's a quirk of the GAA that championship has been traditionally a knockout based competition. Most sports run them as leagues. I don't see why in both codes they don't just have a league as the main competition. It's actually easier to schedule club fixtures also because the fixtures bar the playoffs will be set at the start of the season and everyone can plan around them. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 12/07/2019 18:18:55 2210059 Link 7 |
If Leinster is expanded to 6, it will give us a better chance of making the McDonagh final. Then we can dream of taking on the 5th team in Munster. Ciarraí abú! Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 12/07/2019 18:23:21 2210063 Link 0 |
Offaly's demise for me is why there needs to be more opportunity to make sure the second tier teams to progress and play at the top. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 12/07/2019 19:09:20 2210082 Link 6 |
offalys demise had nothing to do with the championship structures,they have been shipping bad beatings at underage for years.this day was coming and that is just the reality. as said above these counties need to be winning st underage as a starting point. this is another result based reactionary decision.give the structure the 3 years and then think about the structure perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 13/07/2019 13:36:29 2210271 Link 0 |
I'm not saying it has been. I'm saying that with only 9 top teams, if another top team were to go the way of Offaly you'd be down to 8 top teams. It's important for the game that there's a pathway for the next group to develop and become top teams. A 10 team All Ireland with only 1 spot for a developing county feels like it's 1 or 2 teams too small. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 13/07/2019 14:18:50 2210280 Link 6 |
But there is a pathway to develop and its called the JoeMc and so far has proved to be very successful way more so than when those counties were shipping beatings in Leinster champs
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 13/07/2019 19:50:17 2210332 Link 0 |
It does give them a preliminary quarter final and it has been good to Laois this season. I do think they need to more regularly play the best though. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 13/07/2019 20:40:46 2210360 Link 5 |
Laois will be playing Kilkenny, Wexford, Dublin, and Clare in the 2020 League.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 13/07/2019 21:04:03 2210377 Link 0 |