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I read Banty is back in the frame for the Monaghan job. If it's true it may be a signal they'd struggle to attract any up and coming, modern manager. The Monaghan job will be a tough one over the next few years so I can't see many manager's wanting to risk their reputation going there. For this reason I'd expect Banty or a good club manager to take on the role. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 31/07/2019 12:43:12 2219074 Link 0 |
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Nonsense that Monaghan can't get a good manager. There is definitely 2 good seasons in Monaghan. Banty and Gallagher combo would be an absolute disaster of an appointment. That team is good, just a wee tweak of a game plan up front and they are a capable top 4 side who could clip anyone on any given day. Banty and Gallagher not the men they need for that tweak.
tadghieboy (Cork) - Posts: 69 - 31/07/2019 14:56:59 2219120 Link 7 |
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I suppose time will tell but we shouldn't underestimate how good a manager/coach MOR is and what he achieved in Monaghan. My opinion on it is he was able to drag every last energy/potential from that group of players which should have resulted in an All Ireland final last year. This year showed they'll struggle to hit those heights again - good managers know when to step aside and he did so with Monaghan still a Div 1 team. Is there a last push in them and if so can this push last longer than a year?! I think most ambitious manager's won't want to be part of Monaghan's demise which is why I think a big name won't take it.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 31/07/2019 18:04:24 2219187 Link 0 |
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Don't think too many managers will be putting their name out for this job. 2 years and Monaghan will be more than likely a division 3 team. Back to back relegation. A good clib manager might be the best option .tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 03/08/2019 04:17:31 2219952 Link 0 |
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As predicted it was highly unlikely Monaghan would attract one of the games best managers to their senior job. Banty is Monaghan through and through so probably the best appointment for the obvious transition that's now required. MOR would have knew the time was right to step aside and any manager with ambition was never going near that job. Monaghan were lucky to have a decent generation of players but I'd expect we'll see them going back down the leagues and order in Ulster for a few years.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/09/2019 10:49:50 2232273 Link 0 |
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12 months after being robbed of 4-5 minutes of extra time in an all-ireland semi final and nearly reaching the final, having won the last 2 Ulster minor finals and you are predicting that Monaghan will be soon a Division 3 team.. please be realistic.
Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 801 - 03/09/2019 11:41:06 2232304 Link 0 |
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Minor teams take time if they ever make the breakthrough. Look at the success Cavan's U21's had and they're now a Div 2 team. Monaghan had a great year in 2018 and exciting years before that. I don't think Monaghan are doing much different than a few other counties but just had the luck of a group of players coming together with the best forward in the game. Down, Armagh, Derry, Meath etc have had a decade at the top table; they even won All Ireland's but fell down the pecking order. 2019 showed 2018 was the last throw at the dice for this Monaghan team who have given great days to their county but it's clear to see they're on a downward curve. Cork, Derry and Down are Div 3 teams, I don't think it unrealistic to suggest Monaghan could find themselves there in a few years.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/09/2019 12:08:21 2232327 Link 0 |
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Are you happy with Banty coming back? I'd have thought it's a step backwards for Monaghan.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 03/09/2019 12:45:07 2232354 Link 0 |
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Well what available and better options were there to attract? IMHO there were probably better options internally, but his management team are pretty good overall. Banty lacks tactical nuance and that is a worry. I would, now, be disinclined to write our obituary. There are still the bones of a good team there. There are miles on the clock, but we still have some exceptional talent from that 'decent generation' you refer too. Monaghan have just won back to back minors. Where it takes time to integrate it should massively help if you already have a good panel there. I looked back to see when back to back minor titles were achieved in ulster….Interesting to see Down 87/87 Derry 89/90 Tyrone 97/98 03/04 07/08. In a weird way I think Banty can help integrate the younger guys. He brought them to a minor semi final (arguably unlucky not to win). He is a good man motivator and he is a very, very proud Monaghan man. His saving grace might be (like Bonner) he is not so proud that he would refuse council from those who may know better when appropriate. We might well slide too but I am more positive in outlook. Reading your post, it seems to me you are hoping/wanting to see Monaghan back where you think they belong. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 03/09/2019 13:25:09 2232376 Link 0 |
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No you are right it is not unrealistic that we could be in Div 3 in a few years. We are a small county with a limited pick so that risk is always there. Not sure I'd agree with your original post that the success we have had by our standards was just down to a rare group of players who came out of nowhere under Malachy and we will now go back in Ulster and the league's now that group of players will largely depart the scene. Firstly we haven't been at the races in Ulster for a few years now being beaten by average teams who then got hammered themselves in the final so not sure how much further we can go back there. As for the league our record there has been good regardless of which group of players have been around for some time now. Next year marks our 6th consecutive year in the top flight granted under same group but for past 15 years we have either played div 1 or 2 football with 2012 2013 being our only year in Div 3 in that time largely due to disastrous reign of eamonn mceanamy. In other words its rare in the past decade and a half that Monaghan are soft touches in league football. Banty had in the main a different group of players during his first stint where he had us in Div 1or top end of div 2 then along eventually came Malachy who had the bones of that team along with a few new additions who were squad players under Banty but also came from successful minor u21 teams. We have a good track record in recent times at underage. No guarantees of course but better than nothing and you'd be hopeful we can replace likes of Corey Wylie Hughes and Walsh with these players but will take time. I wasn't in favour of Banty coming back in as still feel he wasted a better group of players than current crop in 07 to 2010 when we really should have won Ulster and made an all Ireland semi final one of those years and game has moved on. However he has assembled a serious backroom team which hopefully will do well in bringing young lads in to replace the older players in the next few years. The problem with the group of players we have had while great players for us is that younger replacements have never been given proper opportunity to replace them. This might be easier to do in Div 2 than Div 1 but also playing the best sides ultimate learning experience. Donegal are a great example in recent times of successfully managing a transitional period and hopefully although not guaranteed we can do likewise.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1798 - 03/09/2019 13:46:28 2232382 Link 1 |
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Not at all I'd like to see Monaghan continue at the top table but I just feel this appointment shows how difficult it will be and maybe the decision shows the internal thinking. He might well be the best man for now; to integrate; build a new team and then in a few years hand it over to someone else. As a result I'd expect a slide for Monaghan whilst the transition takes place. Interesting statistics about previous back to back Ulster Championship winning minor teams - those counties all went on to win Senior All Irelands within a few years although a slightly different age group.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/09/2019 14:05:32 2232391 Link 1 |
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I was not sure if you just had a particular wish to see our demise....like many (not all) of our noisy neighbours. To be fair I am looking at the positives here and Banty does bring that motivational aspect which should help our transition. To me its all about how the senior players react after 6-7 years with MOR and also about how Banty takes the advise of his team and some of those players. I thought it very interesting on the the back to backs too....although Its a big leap! Either way, I think things are very promising all round in Ulster. We have strong teams in Donegal and Tyrone. I expect Armagh and Cavan to really push for an anglo celt....and it will make things tough for us but one thing is certain...It will be a hard slog for all of these teams. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 03/09/2019 14:41:24 2232410 Link 1 |
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Just be glad ye got Banty and not Rory Gallagher. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2738 - 03/09/2019 14:47:59 2232413 Link 2 |
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Might as well fold our tents and go home if that had of happened. Anti football approach.The fermanagh performance against us this summer when they played all 15 behind the ball when we were there for the taking as Armagh and Cavan proved was an incredible sight.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1798 - 03/09/2019 14:54:30 2232417 Link 2 |
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I can't believe they are even considering him in Derry, with the great tradition they have in Derry they are a sleeping Ulster giant,there must be a better option for them internally, Gallagher would destroy them. At least Banty will try and play football. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2738 - 03/09/2019 15:08:16 2232424 Link 0 |
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There seems to a false logic or narrative going around that Monaghan are finished and I wonder did this play into not many top managers wanting the job or not wanting to be associated with it. I find it very strange. There are at least three players on the Monaghan team who would not have looked out of place playing in Croker last Sunday for either Dublin or Kerry. We have a kick left in us and could easily rebound, but I really think a strong league campaign is crucial. Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 754 - 04/09/2019 00:17:09 2232601 Link 4 |
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I heard recently that had we got relegated this year we would have had far more applicants for the job.
FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 09/09/2019 08:08:48 2233727 Link 0 |
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Donnelly is a good addition. Nobody in Tyrone happy about that! It was disappointing but understandable to lose Donnelly to the Ulster rugby job, but to learn that he's combining the rugby and Monaghan roles really raises qs for Tyrone's management. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 09/09/2019 12:13:46 2233808 Link 0 |
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Cavan dominated the Ulster U21 grade with Donnelly involved, I don't think it's a coincidence that Cavan haven't really pushed on without him. Tyrone seemed to be struggling somewhat to compete with the likes of Donegal or to win early qualifying games prior to his arrival. Whatever is said about Banty's appointment Donnelly will make Monghan the best strength and conditioned team in Ulster. It baffles me how Tyrone let a Tyrone man with his abilty leave their set up; there has to be serious issues in Tyrone. I still think Monaghan will struggle for a few years but what a coach to have on board to help with the transition of their successful Ulster Minor winning teams. He will ensure they're ready for senior football within two or three years.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 09/09/2019 13:30:18 2233842 Link 0 |
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Banty will have the dream team backroom team. Impressive set up. kerryforsam19 (Kerry) - Posts: 95 - 10/09/2019 10:36:20 2234056 Link 0 |