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No point in dwelling on the Donegal result too long, disappointing as it was. Mickey Graham has a couple of weeks to get the team back on track for a huge qualifier game. Need to get the performance levels back and looking at the teams in the draw for tomorrow there are only Mayo and Tyrone to really worry about- can't get Armagh. We would be in a Super8 group with Dublin Roscommon and whoever comes down the Cork route. Dublin will tank everyone, we would be 50:50 against Ros and as long as it's not Tyrone then a semi final is very achievable. Best case scenario is Tyrone v Mayo, Kildare v Armagh in tomorrow mornings draw. Get rid of 2 bigger teams, draw one of the other 4 and it's back on track. MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 23/06/2019 22:53:16 2199512 Link
Ah here Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 24/06/2019 10:02:34 2199671 Link
Replying To Benjy1000: "Ah here" What?? He's right. It was an eye-opener yesterday, but where we have fallen apart in qualifiers after exiting the ulster championship in previous years, if management can get the lads to bounce back then Super 8s is achievable - particularly if we avoid the Mayo or Tyrone. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 24/06/2019 10:12:52 2199686 Link
I really wouldn't mind a crack at Mayo. They've been really poor by their own standards in this years championship. Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 24/06/2019 10:23:09 2199700 Link
well, the qualifier draw this morning has pitted the big guns against each other. Mayo v Armagh and Tyrone v Kildare. so that means that 2 from : Westmeath,Offaly,Laois,Clare will be in the draw to face us. I wasn't aware that we couldn't face Armagh. If that is the case then who can Cork,Meath not face. have Cork played Clare already ? No I don't think so. Meath have played Offaly. Have they also played Laois ? s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/06/2019 12:24:50 2199818 Link
As we can't meet Armagh in the qualifiers we should be hoping for them to beat Mayo then that'll leave us with a 3 in 1 chance of meeting Tyrone. It's not that we should be afraid of meeting Tyrone/Mayo but coming of, as Spillane called it, "a 5 point hammering" we could do with a slightly easier draw in the qualifiers. I believe a run in the super 8's would do this team a power of good, and imagine the atmosphere there would be around the county playing the Dubs in Breffni on the August bank holiday weekend with maybe an outside chance of reaching the All Ireland semi finals. aceofspades (Cavan) - Posts: 256 - 24/06/2019 15:31:57 2200000 Link
With the right draw and picking ourselves up we have a decent chance of getting there. This Season would have to be considered good progress in that we won a few championships games,but we are coming from a very low base and while great to beat monaghan they were very very poor against us. The performance against Donegal shows we have a long way to go and still big question mark about whether we have the players but good results this year. You could get a lot of hidings in the super 8's too and it does not appear to have done much for Kildare. I was at the up for the match in Copper faced jacks and in the 2nd half the boys were sneering at sports physchologists.. but that performance made it look like that is exactly what we need, Cavan lack of success for 50 years means we should be open to learning. eamonnmac (Cavan) - Posts: 59 - 25/06/2019 01:06:45 2200394 Link
Replying To eamonnmac: "With the right draw and picking ourselves up we have a decent chance of getting there. This Season would have to be considered good progress in that we won a few championships games,but we are coming from a very low base and while great to beat monaghan they were very very poor against us. The performance against Donegal shows we have a long way to go and still big question mark about whether we have the players but good results this year. You could get a lot of hidings in the super 8's too and it does not appear to have done much for Kildare. I was at the up for the match in Copper faced jacks and in the 2nd half the boys were sneering at sports physchologists.. but that performance made it look like that is exactly what we need, Cavan lack of success for 50 years means we should be open to learning." Fully agree.. I was at the up for the match also. It was getting a bit ridiculous and logic went out the window with their predictions especially. As you said Cavan are coming from a very low base and a lot of perspective is needed and people need to quit buying into the hype of possible All Ireland semi finals etc if we get a good draw Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 25/06/2019 10:45:09 2200488 Link
whilst getting of the potentially easier teams in the next game perhaps getting mayo or Tyrone would be a more appropriate test. a mauling in the super 8's could set this team back further than the ulster final defeat. getting a victory over a perceived big team would do wonders for the confidence and psychological state of mind going into super 8's. what would we learn from beating Westmeath /clare / laois /offaly- we would be expected to beat them surely... kitog (UK) - Posts: 14 - 25/06/2019 11:47:33 2200528 Link
Replying To kitog: "whilst getting of the potentially easier teams in the next game perhaps getting mayo or Tyrone would be a more appropriate test. a mauling in the super 8's could set this team back further than the ulster final defeat. getting a victory over a perceived big team would do wonders for the confidence and psychological state of mind going into super 8's. what would we learn from beating Westmeath /clare / laois /offaly- we would be expected to beat them surely..." I suppose there are 2 ways to look at it. . You're right - a win over Tyrone/Mayo/Kildare would show that we've bounced back. But the first qualifier after being eliminated from the provincial championship is nearly always notoriously tough to get set for - particularly when it's not round 1 where there are handy draws to be had. I think a win over one of the other sides (and the winner of those 2 games will be no gimme!) would be a welcome "reset" for the lads. They can then approach the super 8s with confidence. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 25/06/2019 12:21:17 2200550 Link
Replying To kitog: "whilst getting of the potentially easier teams in the next game perhaps getting mayo or Tyrone would be a more appropriate test. a mauling in the super 8's could set this team back further than the ulster final defeat. getting a victory over a perceived big team would do wonders for the confidence and psychological state of mind going into super 8's. what would we learn from beating Westmeath /clare / laois /offaly- we would be expected to beat them surely..." so what you are essentially saying is that we are better off getting a mauling in round 4 and not making the super-8s (where you think we would get a mauling). Or perhaps you think we would be better off meeting Tyrone or Mayo in round 4 where we wouldn't get a mauling because we would stand a chance against them. I'm a bit confused by your reasoning. Either you think we are capable of competing with the big boys or you think we are not. Personally , I would much prefer if we made the super-8s. Seeing as we wont be playing in Div1 next year , it will give us some more experience against the top teams and that has to be a good thing. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 26/06/2019 00:46:11 2201021 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "so what you are essentially saying is that we are better off getting a mauling in round 4 and not making the super-8s (where you think we would get a mauling). Or perhaps you think we would be better off meeting Tyrone or Mayo in round 4 where we wouldn't get a mauling because we would stand a chance against them. I'm a bit confused by your reasoning. Either you think we are capable of competing with the big boys or you think we are not. Personally , I would much prefer if we made the super-8s. Seeing as we wont be playing in Div1 next year , it will give us some more experience against the top teams and that has to be a good thing." apologies- reading back it was a bit of a waffle. I have no doubt that we are capable of competing with the big boys, I just am not convinced that the team 100% believe that yet but some decent performances in a super 8 would no doubt help. i suspect my waffling is driven by the pleasant surprise of how much we have come on this year and no wanting that to go backwards. i am worried that beating one of the perceived weaker sides would not help us improve that much . do I care how we got to the super 8's - absolutely not. kitog (UK) - Posts: 14 - 26/06/2019 13:37:42 2201242 Link
The weaker sides Cavan could meet, Laois/Offaly and Westmeath/Clare will be coming off the back of a few wins, confidence would be up. Laois had a impressive win in Derry.. But Cavan would be happy to face those teams then a Tyrone or Mayo FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 26/06/2019 18:45:43 2201398 Link
Well to have a chance in the qualifiers the players would want to get off the party bus re group and concentrate on the next match , After losing the final the super 8s is the thing we need now to save the season goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 26/06/2019 20:11:53 2201433 Link
Replying To goonie: "Well to have a chance in the qualifiers the players would want to get off the party bus re group and concentrate on the next match , After losing the final the super 8s is the thing we need now to save the season" I don't mind players having a wind down after the Ulster final, but as a paying supporter the last thing I want to hear is that a party culture has returned. Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 26/06/2019 22:32:41 2201506 Link
Replying To goonie: "Well to have a chance in the qualifiers the players would want to get off the party bus re group and concentrate on the next match , After losing the final the super 8s is the thing we need now to save the season" I think they were entitled to there day out on monday Breffni81 (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 27/06/2019 08:58:49 2201573 Link
Replying To Breffni81: "I think they were entitled to there day out on monday" NO The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 27/06/2019 11:42:18 2201640 Link
Replying To The Quiet Man: "NO" These lads are Amateurs. They give up theirs time and are entitled to let a bit of steam off after an Ulster final. Professional sportsman let their hair down after very game so why not amateur gaa players. It's a sport. It's not a matter of life and death. It's there to be enjoyed. It's not a job. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 27/06/2019 12:00:57 2201650 Link
Lads calm down. The team were out Monday night - it was agreed they would be win or lose. Mickey was ok with it. It won't affect them 12/13 days later in a qualifier given the conditioning work they've done. If anything it might be the best thing for them. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 27/06/2019 12:02:37 2201651 Link
this team should be going flat out to reach the super 8s, There is a great opportunity this year the way it is set up. If we got through our qualifier you are potentially looking at a group of: Dublin Roscommon Cavan Cork Now dublin of course would win all 3 of their games, but there would be a brilliant opportunity for everyone else there to eye up a semi final spot. Monaghan managed it last year so its certainly something to aspire to. It has been a very good year, getting to a super 8s and winning games in the group would represent a great year. There still seems to be a weird sense of entitlement among cavan fans that we should be competing for all irelands etc, its not the 1950s lads. Get real Pullhard1985 (USA) - Posts: 68 - 27/06/2019 12:17:15 2201659 Link