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Replying To centerfield: " Replying To Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." i agree with a lot of what you said but i think they'll have a bit of work to replace Cluxton, Fitsimons, Cooper, Mcmahon, OSullivan who are all starting to push on" Some of the talk about Dublin is way over the top. People were saying the same things about Kilkenny a few years ago and look at it now. The reality is that within a couple of years they will lose Cluxton, Cooper, McMahon, McCaffrey, MDMA, Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Andrews. Yes there are young guys coming in that are quality but they are going to lose a large number of leaders in a short space of time. With the exception of last year (and Tyrone over achieved in getting to the final in my opinion), Dublin have had to graft very hard to win the various finals. The day will come and very soon, that they will fall short. And then there will be the postmortem, end of an era talk. They will fall back into the pack. It's inevitable. The more interesting question for me is whether we will see another county start to dominate or will a few different counties win 1 each like in the hurling the last few years. I expect it will be the latter as there isn't much to choose between the chasing pack as this thread shows. gwanyagudthing (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 18/06/2019 09:57:35 2196955 Link
Replying To gwanyagudthing: " Replying To centerfield: "[quote=Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." i agree with a lot of what you said but i think they'll have a bit of work to replace Cluxton, Fitsimons, Cooper, Mcmahon, OSullivan who are all starting to push on" Some of the talk about Dublin is way over the top. People were saying the same things about Kilkenny a few years ago and look at it now. The reality is that within a couple of years they will lose Cluxton, Cooper, McMahon, McCaffrey, MDMA, Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Andrews. Yes there are young guys coming in that are quality but they are going to lose a large number of leaders in a short space of time. With the exception of last year (and Tyrone over achieved in getting to the final in my opinion), Dublin have had to graft very hard to win the various finals. The day will come and very soon, that they will fall short. And then there will be the postmortem, end of an era talk. They will fall back into the pack. It's inevitable. The more interesting question for me is whether we will see another county start to dominate or will a few different counties win 1 each like in the hurling the last few years. I expect it will be the latter as there isn't much to choose between the chasing pack as this thread shows."]Very well said, this ridiculous talk of Dublin dominating forever is just that....ridiculous ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 18/06/2019 10:22:01 2196964 Link
Replying To monaghanmad: "Donegal have peaked and so have roscommon, they have shown their hands and will not go anywhere this year. Mayo , Kerry and Monaghan are the only teams that can beat he dubs. Tyrone had their chance last year, Learned nothing, no forward etc Galway cant be trusted, no forward who can play, no Keeper, no centre half and no kick out strategy Roscommon, peak too early, man mark cox and pick out holes in their midfield and they will fall. Donegal have peaked too I think, had one big game in them this year, possibly against Tyrone Kerry, any team with their forwards are capable to beat the dubs, haven't showed nothing this year so far Mayo have the desire, will to win and the manager to win Monaghan, any team with Rory beggan and conor mc manus can beat the dubs, have showed nothing this year. If these teams can get through to the super 8s then they can beat Dublin on a given day." Donegal have peaked and so have roscommon, they have shown their hands and will not go anywhere this year. They haven't even started and are brimming with confidence. No mention of Cavan either but you rate ourselves and yourselves? Rory Beggan and Conor McManus are good but you need more than two to beat The Dubs. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 18/06/2019 10:23:35 2196966 Link
I think the crucial thing for us is the development of Jamie Brennan into a top class inside forward. This has resolved the old chestnut of where Michael Murphy should be deployed. We have two real quality inside forwards now to playing Murphy in on top of them might restrict their room to operate in. He can still go in there at times as he showed against Tyrone but most of the time he'll be out around the middle orchestrating things for us. We have a job to do this weekend and it won't be easy. Cavan will be well up for it so hopefully we can subdue them early and get the win. Another Ulster title is not to be sniffed at and it would give the players a good boost heading into the Super 8's. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9133 - 18/06/2019 10:29:50 2196969 Link
Replying To gwanyagudthing: " Replying To centerfield: "[quote=Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." i agree with a lot of what you said but i think they'll have a bit of work to replace Cluxton, Fitsimons, Cooper, Mcmahon, OSullivan who are all starting to push on" Some of the talk about Dublin is way over the top. People were saying the same things about Kilkenny a few years ago and look at it now. The reality is that within a couple of years they will lose Cluxton, Cooper, McMahon, McCaffrey, MDMA, Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Andrews. Yes there are young guys coming in that are quality but they are going to lose a large number of leaders in a short space of time. With the exception of last year (and Tyrone over achieved in getting to the final in my opinion), Dublin have had to graft very hard to win the various finals. The day will come and very soon, that they will fall short. And then there will be the postmortem, end of an era talk. They will fall back into the pack. It's inevitable. The more interesting question for me is whether we will see another county start to dominate or will a few different counties win 1 each like in the hurling the last few years. I expect it will be the latter as there isn't much to choose between the chasing pack as this thread shows."]I think Jim Gavin and the Super 8's are a bigger factor in Dublin's future than the loss of keys players. It just looks as though there's an endless conveyor belt that can step up and replace some long serving players and almost do it better in some cases. Gavin has Dublin playing as a well oiled machine and anyone he has in the squad can step in and make a difference. The Super 8's have helped Dublin even more. They have the biggest squad and even with retirements the management will make sure that's a minor issue. Dublin have always had a big squad compared to other counties. I honestly believe if the super 8s were in place in the 90s that Dublin would have won about 5 or 6 AI's in an era they could only manage one. That's the reality that the rest of Ireland has to get used to now! SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/06/2019 10:39:38 2196975 Link
Replying To brisbane: "Corofin would hammer the Dubs" Id pay to watch that over most inter county games to be honest. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/06/2019 10:39:53 2196977 Link
Replying To gwanyagudthing: " Replying To centerfield: "[quote=Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." i agree with a lot of what you said but i think they'll have a bit of work to replace Cluxton, Fitsimons, Cooper, Mcmahon, OSullivan who are all starting to push on" Some of the talk about Dublin is way over the top. People were saying the same things about Kilkenny a few years ago and look at it now. The reality is that within a couple of years they will lose Cluxton, Cooper, McMahon, McCaffrey, MDMA, Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Andrews. Yes there are young guys coming in that are quality but they are going to lose a large number of leaders in a short space of time. With the exception of last year (and Tyrone over achieved in getting to the final in my opinion), Dublin have had to graft very hard to win the various finals. The day will come and very soon, that they will fall short. And then there will be the postmortem, end of an era talk. They will fall back into the pack. It's inevitable. The more interesting question for me is whether we will see another county start to dominate or will a few different counties win 1 each like in the hurling the last few years. I expect it will be the latter as there isn't much to choose between the chasing pack as this thread shows."]Mccaffery is in his mid 20s for God sake hasnt even hit his prime yet while there is plenty of football in cooper yet. Brogan, Andrew's, o gara and mcmenamin are all peripheral figures and If dublin can find a few young forwards ( which out of 1.5 million people is inevitable they will) then they can replace these seamlessly. Dublin might not always be going for 5 in a row like they are now but it seems wrong that purely because of their advantages they will be there or there abouts every year Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 18/06/2019 10:39:57 2196978 Link
Replying To brisbane: "Corofin would hammer the Dubs" A class team alright but not even close to that level of conditioning, psychology, physicality etc because they don't play intercounty. They'd be a top county side though if they could put it the same level of commitment though but they'd need to learn some intercounty dark arts. Would be a good plan for a charity game sometime to see them playing the Dubs. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 18/06/2019 10:59:47 2196984 Link
So far you'd have to say Donegal but I don't think they will have it all their own way on Sunday, I expect them to win but just about. Cavan under Mickey Graham are not as good on paper but the chance to end a famine in Ulster for them will bring them on another bit again from the Armagh replay. Will be interesting to see how Kerry go v Cork although if it turns into a cake walk you'd wonder how much good that would really do them. I think a start reminder of Dublin's strength will come in the Super 8s when we will see lads like Cooper, Rock, Lowndes coming back into the fold if not the next day out v Meath. Murchan, Andrews and O'Carroll also to be factored in if fully fit so that's a few big names to add to a team that are already moving nicely. If Cluxton and Fenton can stay injury/suspension free all year I genuinely cannot see Dublin being caught. It would take a massive effort from someone coupled with something like a red card or two on a given day and things unravelling for us in my opinion. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 18/06/2019 11:01:10 2196987 Link
Replying To Northsidegaels: " Replying To gwanyagudthing: "[quote=centerfield: "[quote=Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." i agree with a lot of what you said but i think they'll have a bit of work to replace Cluxton, Fitsimons, Cooper, Mcmahon, OSullivan who are all starting to push on" Some of the talk about Dublin is way over the top. People were saying the same things about Kilkenny a few years ago and look at it now. The reality is that within a couple of years they will lose Cluxton, Cooper, McMahon, McCaffrey, MDMA, Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Andrews. Yes there are young guys coming in that are quality but they are going to lose a large number of leaders in a short space of time. With the exception of last year (and Tyrone over achieved in getting to the final in my opinion), Dublin have had to graft very hard to win the various finals. The day will come and very soon, that they will fall short. And then there will be the postmortem, end of an era talk. They will fall back into the pack. It's inevitable. The more interesting question for me is whether we will see another county start to dominate or will a few different counties win 1 each like in the hurling the last few years. I expect it will be the latter as there isn't much to choose between the chasing pack as this thread shows."]Mccaffery is in his mid 20s for God sake hasnt even hit his prime yet while there is plenty of football in cooper yet. Brogan, Andrew's, o gara and mcmenamin are all peripheral figures and If dublin can find a few young forwards ( which out of 1.5 million people is inevitable they will) then they can replace these seamlessly. Dublin might not always be going for 5 in a row like they are now but it seems wrong that purely because of their advantages they will be there or there abouts every year"]39 thousand registered players in Dublin half it with hurling and its around 18 thousand football players. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/06/2019 11:12:42 2196992 Link
Replying To superbluedub: " Replying To Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." is that the same Kerry squad of 82 ,that were out on there feet , who went on to complete another treble 84-86 ?" The Kerry team of 78-82 were past their peak years when they won those All Irelands between 84-86, some had gone but the young blood that was added such as Ambrose O'Donovan, Willie Maher, John Kennedy and Timmy Down brought a huge energy and freshness that helped get them over the line. The 3-in row added onto the 4 in row was a remarkable achievement. This Dublin football senior team is far from peaking because it's forever changing - big difference and you know it! Kingdomson (Kerry) - Posts: 244 - 18/06/2019 12:01:03 2197026 Link
Poor aul Kerry...you'd swear they were in the doldrums the way their fans are going on yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 18/06/2019 12:38:53 2197054 Link
It is looking more and more like the Kerry men and maybe Donegal. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 18/06/2019 12:51:13 2197062 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Poor aul Kerry...you'd swear they were in the doldrums the way their fans are going on" The usual oul scutter to coin a phrase someone used here recently. lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 18/06/2019 12:51:43 2197064 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Poor aul Kerry...you'd swear they were in the doldrums the way their fans are going on" Cute hoors are still expecting to reach the All Ireland semi or final at least. For them it's all about avoiding Mayo and Dublin until as late as possible in the tournament . They don't feel threatened by the rest. BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 18/06/2019 13:00:46 2197071 Link
Meath will fly out of the traps head first into everything and probably take an early lead. With 10 minutes to go theyll be wishing laois bet them. lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 18/06/2019 13:19:35 2197079 Link
Donegal and kerry seem to be the only ones tbh SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 18/06/2019 13:40:22 2197094 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "So far you'd have to say Donegal but I don't think they will have it all their own way on Sunday, I expect them to win but just about. Cavan under Mickey Graham are not as good on paper but the chance to end a famine in Ulster for them will bring them on another bit again from the Armagh replay. Will be interesting to see how Kerry go v Cork although if it turns into a cake walk you'd wonder how much good that would really do them. I think a start reminder of Dublin's strength will come in the Super 8s when we will see lads like Cooper, Rock, Lowndes coming back into the fold if not the next day out v Meath. Murchan, Andrews and O'Carroll also to be factored in if fully fit so that's a few big names to add to a team that are already moving nicely. If Cluxton and Fenton can stay injury/suspension free all year I genuinely cannot see Dublin being caught. It would take a massive effort from someone coupled with something like a red card or two on a given day and things unravelling for us in my opinion." Cavan replying Armagh may not have the desired effect in the final. Watch particularly the last 15 minutes on Sunday. Extra competitive fixtures usually spells disaster for a longer season. Dublin may get it tight v Kerry or a resurgent Tyrone. I would like to think we could run them closer than others. Hard to see anyone touch them this year 2bh. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/06/2019 13:42:24 2197095 Link
Replying To galwayford: "It is looking more and more like the Kerry men and maybe Donegal." what about roscommon considering Galway were heralded a top 4 outfit in Ireland. Either Roscommon fluked it , or Walsh forgot to take on board that there's more teams in Ireland than just Mayo who need beating. Thing is, ever team is different. BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 18/06/2019 13:53:56 2197100 Link
Replying To BeJasus: "Cute hoors are still expecting to reach the All Ireland semi or final at least. For them it's all about avoiding Mayo and Dublin until as late as possible in the tournament . They don't feel threatened by the rest." I don't know, we totally avoided Dublin and Mayo last year and it didn't do us any good. We've lost experienced players Star, darran, donnacha and maher and Peter Crowley from last year. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/06/2019 14:14:05 2197108 Link