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I think your speaking for the minority there
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 268 - 19/10/2019 21:57:04 2244468 Link 1 |
As predicted at the start of this thread, Congress would never vote against a Presedential proposal no matter how bad it is & despite all the protestations from the CPA & GPA, they would be taught who the real power brokers are in the GAA & so Tier 2 got over 75% of the vote from Congress. Congress were sending them a signal that they were in charge, just as they did with the motion on transparency. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 19/10/2019 22:17:36 2244471 Link 3 |
Now that Horan has got his way it is only a matter of time until the present 16 who are 'guaranteed' tier 1 football will be whittled down to a Super 10 or 12 for a fully covered Sky 'championship' and to hell with the rest of the country, they may be admitted to the elite group by meeting criteria not exactly compatible with ability but with their ability to generate lucre for Sky and by a then unrecognisable GAA.....mark my words....this is where we are going. Disgraceful, sad to see chickens from the weaker counties acting like lemmings. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 19/10/2019 22:23:22 2244472 Link 5 |
This is all about less games in qualifiers for the division one counties who are knocked out early in provincials ie Ulster, leaving them fresher for the super eights. It is a smokescreen and the 'weaker' counties who voted for it have fallen for it. They will be in a tier 2 final in front of 7 or 8,000 people in Croke Park, what benefit is that going to be to any of them. fairly_shook (Leitrim) - Posts: 15 - 19/10/2019 22:44:08 2244473 Link 3 |
Yup that's exactly what should happen. The status quo is bad, but better than what has gone through. I'm not against a tiering of the football. I'm against this competition. The tier 1 is not good either. A number of the teams around the level of Cork, Tipp, Down, Armagh, Clare, Westmeath, Fermanagh will be in this tier 2. All these teams are capable of getting a run in the championship and qualifying for the super 8s. There's not much between teams ranked about 8 to 22. Given the right draw these teams can get to a super 8s. That's more prestigious than a Tommy Murphy 2 competition win. Waterford are still going to play 2 games a season by the way. It's doing nothing for the teams it's supposed to promote. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 00:57:30 2244479 Link 9 |
I don't think so. I think people are smart enough to realise that this is going to be a competition no one cares about. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 01:00:46 2244480 Link 7 |
We've had plenty of disagreements on other topics on here but I can't fault a word you're saying here I'm glad Antrim we're against it, I've friends on the senior panel from home. They don't want this. I texted one of them after they beat Louth in the qualifiers this year. He wanted to play Mayo in round 2. These lads don't care about a competition where no one will care about the winners. They want to play against good teams and challenge themselves against the top players is what drives them. This idea that having a shot at winning a medal is important is a lot of rubbish. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 01:07:11 2244481 Link 8 |
Yes that's the main driver of it. Horan practically said as much recently at a meeting with Connacht delegates.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 01:08:56 2244482 Link 6 |
This was never about benefitting the weaker counties. The GAA is now all about elitism and the weaker counties are standing in the way of progress in that direction so will be discarded. Congress has compounded it's decision to vote against transparency a few years ago and shown itself to be out of touch with GAA grassroots to a ridiculous degree. If the members of the other fixtures group have any guts they should remove themselves from that group tomorrow morning as their analysis into what's required is obviously nothing compared to Dublin John's insight. It's not an ego thing with him as dubs don't have egos according to Tadhg Kennelly who moved back from oz to see if he could do anything to help his struggling county. Horan's comments about Leitrim and Wicklow and his earlier ones about Dublin's volunteers have taught me something though. I had thought trolling was something you could only do in the internet but he's shown you can do it in real life too. The bright side is that they have also introduced this advance mark so that will make it easier to give up going to/watching the games as it will be AFL lite and that muck is unwatchable most of the time. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 20/10/2019 02:29:44 2244485 Link 4 |
Right or wrong it's in now so we need to make the best of it, makes div 2 and 3 very important next year too. I'd hope the ticket prices are such that people will attend. Everyone is still in the snr championship if good enough and this just might encourage more players to commit knowing they have a competition the can realistically hope to win. lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 20/10/2019 09:19:52 2244493 Link 1 |
worst decision for me is the advanced mark, it is shocking that these rule changes are now happening, I wont even go on I could be here all day. enough of this change sh*te. Our game is our game boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 20/10/2019 09:44:37 2244496 Link 2 |
I am sick of hoping Wicklow get a kind draw in the qualifiers every year. Not that we win anyway. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 20/10/2019 09:50:04 2244498 Link 4 |
That's untrue, and with respect, being a dub with everything at your disposal, you don't understand what weaker county players or fans feel or want. Not being smart, it's just a fact.
Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 20/10/2019 10:19:45 2244500 Link 4 |
When i started this thread, i thought there was a small chance that common sense might prevail, so to see 75% of delegates vote for it, is mind boggling. One of the most insulting parts of yesterday was to hear the powers that be say that the competition was about helping weaker counties, when it is obviously the opposite. This is about removing the likes of Louth, Wicklow etc. from competing, so the GAA can have games involving the top sides and therefore generate more revenue. It was also hilarious hearing how this new competition will have a promotional campaign to ramp up interest. Does anyone think that an opening round match in Aughrim between Louth and Wicklow will attract anymore than 500 people. Also, no chance that any TV station or national media covers these games(apart from maybe the final or semi-final). This competition doesn't deal with the obvious problem of the provincial championship's. If the GAA were honest, they would admit that they want the top counties playing each other regularly and as for the rest, they couldn't care less. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 20/10/2019 10:19:51 2244501 Link 3 |
If the league is played to a good schedule it can become an exciting competition and can give the players proper exciting games to play.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 10:23:47 2244502 Link 6 |
There's a good chance Wicklow are still going to be knocked out after 1 or 2 rounds of this. It's going to be broadly similar teams in this a those that make up the qualifiers. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 10:25:34 2244503 Link 6 |
Without arrogance the reality is 8 teams who will potentially have to compete in Tier 2 next year voted against it. If the likes of Derry, Cork, Down, Kildare, Roscommon, Cavan, Armagh, Laois, end up in Div 3, don't get to a provinical final then don't expect any of those counties to keep their teams together to then travel the country to play a second tier competition. I'd say they'll field some kind of team to fulfil the fixture but club championships, America and London will be the priority. If the likes of Wicklow want to play against counties "C" or "D" teams who turn up untrained and for a weekend away then fair play to them. The reality is the top brass won't care that players leave panels en masse after losing their provinicial game, they'll have their Tier 1 Championship set up which is the only priority. The top brass talk about democracy which is very true. Players are amateur and they're allowed their own form of democracy and to make decisions which benefit them. In huge numbers they'll take the payday of America or London and the large majority of players from those counties that stay at home will spend the summer with their clubs. 16 teams was too many and you won't be able to motivate players or counties around 9th to 18th to compete or put the effort, finance and preparation into this farce. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 20/10/2019 10:54:40 2244509 Link 5 |
Hit the nail on the head there Sam. Ironically I think by playing in one competition, losing and then playing your b competition is also a draw back. Teams and management will gear towards their provincial competition, when that's over, they're gonzo....
Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 20/10/2019 11:24:25 2244517 Link 2 |
Agree with everything you say. Longford voted against it, and I think, not sure, but I think this was after consultation with players....nothing more than financial decision....for players and supporters of longford and louth, achievement doesn't have to be winning a Tommy Murphy cup, or b championship. A realistic goal and aim is a super 8 spot and players themselves want to play and test themselves against the best. . Theres lots of other way gaa could level the playing field, but that might affect the pockets and the HAVES.
Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 20/10/2019 11:39:21 2244521 Link 2 |
What I find interesting is that all sensible commentary of this in the media has raised the points being made here. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 20/10/2019 14:05:56 2244541 Link 5 |