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Day Out In An Empty Croke Park

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Replying To traleegerry:  "Listen here boy now that you boys are back from old Trafford you could not even make the hill last Sunday and it on your door step I have met many a good true dub supporters but you jonny come lately atr certainly not that. Ye could not get yere buts out of the pubs a few years ago too make too the hill on time for kick off. Respect has too earned I'm afraid so now boy"
English can be a difficult language to master......keep trying!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 12/06/2019 07:58:06    2193792

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "Sure half the hill was closed on Sunday!"
And your point being?

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 12/06/2019 09:03:00    2193804

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It looks like attendance contagion is sweeping through the provincial systems, for reasons that I think everyone is aware of.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/06/2019 17:49:43    2194055

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Replying To Donegalman:  "It looks like attendance contagion is sweeping through the provincial systems, for reasons that I think everyone is aware of."
Are you suggesting the fact Donegal and Tyrone supporters don't believe they can beat Dublin has an effect on the numbers going to games? Not saying you're wrong btw.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/06/2019 19:06:56    2194096

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Combined Semi Final Crowds

Leinster (36,126)
Dublin/Kildare/Laois/Meath

Ulster (34,771)
Cavan/Armagh/Monaghan/Fermanagh/Donegal/Tyrone

Ulster (29,995)
Cavan/Armagh/Tyrone/Donegal

Connacht (25,833)
Galway/Sligo/Mayo/Roscommon

Munster (8,165)
Cork/Limerick/Clare/Kerry

Even a historically poor Leinster Championship were everyone knows the outcome gets more people at their semi-finals then any other province."
1 in every 4 people in the country live in Dublin. That is the reason you have more people at the Leinster games. Given the enormous population differences, the crowd for Leinster semi finals is not just bad, but shockingly bad.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 13/06/2019 09:15:32    2194256

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Replying To supermon:  "1 in every 4 people in the country live in Dublin. That is the reason you have more people at the Leinster games. Given the enormous population differences, the crowd for Leinster semi finals is not just bad, but shockingly bad."
But sure there not all Dubs, everyone goes home at the weekend to have their washing done and a bit of stew and homested jam. They all have only five day visas! ;)

That said we are propping up the GAA at present in all reality with our attendances, the largest provincial crowds in football in the worst championship, the week before filling Parnell Park in the hurling and this weekend Parnell Park is a sell out for the Galway game. There is a problem in football but its not Dubs not attending matches.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/06/2019 10:24:07    2194273

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Replying To TheUsername:  "But sure there not all Dubs, everyone goes home at the weekend to have their washing done and a bit of stew and homested jam. They all have only five day visas! ;)

That said we are propping up the GAA at present in all reality with our attendances, the largest provincial crowds in football in the worst championship, the week before filling Parnell Park in the hurling and this weekend Parnell Park is a sell out for the Galway game. There is a problem in football but its not Dubs not attending matches."
Once again, and I'll type this slowly so you might read it slowly. . .

Nobody is saying Dublin fans aren't attending games - they are saying other fans have no reason to attend due to the overwhelming advantages given to Dublin.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 13/06/2019 16:57:35    2194515

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Once again, and I'll type this slowly so you might read it slowly. . .

Nobody is saying Dublin fans aren't attending games - they are saying other fans have no reason to attend due to the overwhelming advantages given to Dublin."
Its a good thing nobody is saying it, because nobody was replying to you.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/06/2019 17:07:46    2194519

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One thing worth mentioning in the falling attendances discussion is that it's very much not exclusive to the GAA. It's worldwide and across all sports. I regularly watch european and american teams worth billions of euros play in front of half empty stadiums. Games that would have been sellouts 20 years ago.

My theory is that the number of diehard fans is way down and the number of casual fans is way up. Once you get to the business end of the championship the empty seats disappear as the casuals start to turn up. It's the same in the NFL, it's the same in the AFL, it's the same in the GAA. Most of my friends follow the GAA. They check the results every week, they watch the Sunday Game, they know the all the top players. They would snap your hand off if you offered them a ticket to the All Ireland but you won't see them at any other game. These are the people missing from the empty seats. Competitive games, cheap tickets, attacking football will not bring them back . Those days are gone.

Lets says Meath win next week 2-20 to 2-19 in the greatest game we've ever seen. Come next year when the two teams meet again in a Leinster SF will there be much more than 35,000 in CP? I don't think so.

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 13/06/2019 20:40:18    2194583

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Best attendances were in the 00's when everyone had money and the football involved kick passing and the teams were even.

Now everyone is defending and it's shite to watch
Dublin so many advantages will only get more pronounced and we will end up with a 10 in a row

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 13/06/2019 22:06:21    2194623

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Replying To supermon:  "1 in every 4 people in the country live in Dublin. That is the reason you have more people at the Leinster games. Given the enormous population differences, the crowd for Leinster semi finals is not just bad, but shockingly bad."
Plus Kildare and Meath have huge populations compared to most Irish counties...they should be well able to challenge Dublin...both wealthy counties too. If they are putting the correct structures in place at underage level there is no reason why these two counties can't rise in the coming years.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 13/06/2019 22:14:22    2194626

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Replying To Pantani:  "One thing worth mentioning in the falling attendances discussion is that it's very much not exclusive to the GAA. It's worldwide and across all sports. I regularly watch european and american teams worth billions of euros play in front of half empty stadiums. Games that would have been sellouts 20 years ago.

My theory is that the number of diehard fans is way down and the number of casual fans is way up. Once you get to the business end of the championship the empty seats disappear as the casuals start to turn up. It's the same in the NFL, it's the same in the AFL, it's the same in the GAA. Most of my friends follow the GAA. They check the results every week, they watch the Sunday Game, they know the all the top players. They would snap your hand off if you offered them a ticket to the All Ireland but you won't see them at any other game. These are the people missing from the empty seats. Competitive games, cheap tickets, attacking football will not bring them back . Those days are gone.

Lets says Meath win next week 2-20 to 2-19 in the greatest game we've ever seen. Come next year when the two teams meet again in a Leinster SF will there be much more than 35,000 in CP? I don't think so."
If that result came true (and let's hope it does) you would have 50k easy for a Leinster SF between the pair in 2020

pmurphy (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 13/06/2019 22:18:57    2194628

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Replying To Pantani:  "One thing worth mentioning in the falling attendances discussion is that it's very much not exclusive to the GAA. It's worldwide and across all sports. I regularly watch european and american teams worth billions of euros play in front of half empty stadiums. Games that would have been sellouts 20 years ago.

My theory is that the number of diehard fans is way down and the number of casual fans is way up. Once you get to the business end of the championship the empty seats disappear as the casuals start to turn up. It's the same in the NFL, it's the same in the AFL, it's the same in the GAA. Most of my friends follow the GAA. They check the results every week, they watch the Sunday Game, they know the all the top players. They would snap your hand off if you offered them a ticket to the All Ireland but you won't see them at any other game. These are the people missing from the empty seats. Competitive games, cheap tickets, attacking football will not bring them back . Those days are gone.

Lets says Meath win next week 2-20 to 2-19 in the greatest game we've ever seen. Come next year when the two teams meet again in a Leinster SF will there be much more than 35,000 in CP? I don't think so."
The attendances in hurling are up this year I'd say with 5/6 teams that can realistically win the allireland.

There were 39,000 at the limerick Clare game last weekend.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/06/2019 22:35:34    2194636

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Replying To Pantani:  "One thing worth mentioning in the falling attendances discussion is that it's very much not exclusive to the GAA. It's worldwide and across all sports. I regularly watch european and american teams worth billions of euros play in front of half empty stadiums. Games that would have been sellouts 20 years ago.

My theory is that the number of diehard fans is way down and the number of casual fans is way up. Once you get to the business end of the championship the empty seats disappear as the casuals start to turn up. It's the same in the NFL, it's the same in the AFL, it's the same in the GAA. Most of my friends follow the GAA. They check the results every week, they watch the Sunday Game, they know the all the top players. They would snap your hand off if you offered them a ticket to the All Ireland but you won't see them at any other game. These are the people missing from the empty seats. Competitive games, cheap tickets, attacking football will not bring them back . Those days are gone.

Lets says Meath win next week 2-20 to 2-19 in the greatest game we've ever seen. Come next year when the two teams meet again in a Leinster SF will there be much more than 35,000 in CP? I don't think so."
Nail on the head there Pantani. Life has changed, changed utterly compared to just twenty years ago. Stick your head in the door of a coffee shop, restaurant or pub 20 years ago and they'd be hives of conversation. Do it now and most heads are in their phone and probably similar in other countries. I honestly think people's attention spans have lessened as them rate of technology increases and as a species we're getting a bit lazier. Not knocking technology, it has many many advantages. People socialise and interact differently now, or more accurately interact less. You can find a new bandwagon every day on social media. Plus there is a lot more access to live GAA games, highlights, analysis now compared to '99. I think people were more inclined to go to games, and less sheepish when a bad news headline from a bad GAA game blew things out of proportion. The Dubs dominance may have affected crowds in Leinster but not outside it. I wonder are GAA top brass making changes to be seen to do something but they're not looking at all of the picture and not making real efforts to get more participants in the GAA and promoting games a bit better.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 13/06/2019 22:58:45    2194645

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Plus Kildare and Meath have huge populations compared to most Irish counties...they should be well able to challenge Dublin...both wealthy counties too. If they are putting the correct structures in place at underage level there is no reason why these two counties can't rise in the coming years."
We should put in correct underage structures? Brilliant idea! Will someone write that down??
Then we could do even better than be the best under 20's in the country.
Kildare and Meath are taking on Dublin gaa supported entirely and absolutely by the Leinster council and still we can match them underage. But that will change shortly too i believe so that Dublin underage will never play away from home either in the championship (to try maintain Dublins interest underage you understand)
How many Connacht titles would Mayo/ Ros have if Galway never played an away game?
How easy would it be to ask those same players to keep putting in the effort and stay on board if the Connacht council gave Galway all the ticket sales from every match in Connacht?
Mayo always have a fair shot at some silverware and even a chance of a final played in McHale park.
Thats why your players stick around with little turnover each year.
Ye really don't realise how well ye have it.
11/12 Leinster counties are in a different world in comparison.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 14/06/2019 01:23:49    2194676

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Replying To TheUsername:  "But sure there not all Dubs, everyone goes home at the weekend to have their washing done and a bit of stew and homested jam. They all have only five day visas! ;)

That said we are propping up the GAA at present in all reality with our attendances, the largest provincial crowds in football in the worst championship, the week before filling Parnell Park in the hurling and this weekend Parnell Park is a sell out for the Galway game. There is a problem in football but its not Dubs not attending matches."
You know more Dubs were going to the match from Meath and Kildare then actual Royals and lillies. You're right that not everyone in Dublin is Irish or a dub but there are a lot of Dubs living in counties not far from Dublin.

You propped up attendances in the past but not anymore. 55k at the all Ireland semi final. The hurling semis are bigger money spinners then the football these days and the munster hurling championship much more important then the leinster.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 14/06/2019 01:42:17    2194678

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its a good thing nobody is saying it, because nobody was replying to you."
Sorry, I'll be careful to ensure that I only respond to posts aimed directly at me in future - just like you do.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 14/06/2019 07:45:43    2194687

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Well it is always healthy by comparing an entire population to an opinion you didn't agree with a couple of years ago, to make an insulting comment and broad generalization. I take it with that attitude it's still a problem.

I do think we can take pride in our support as it goes, it's a clear winner from creating atmosphere, revenue, it's on every promo for a GAA programme and while you most would never admit it, there's nothing our country cousins love more then a game against the Dubs for the atmosphere. It's incompatible, Mayo give it a good rattle to be fair to them.

Your own county I would have a lot of sympathy for, they are very poorly supported, they deserve better in my opinion and if we are being critical of support basis, Galways football support would rank highly for me. The team was abandoned both in the league final and semi last year. Look at your own comparative semi final against Sligo, I have a lot of time and respect for the Galway football team, infact there could well be an All Ireland in that team, but they are undermined by their own fans.

You will speak about traveling to games etc, before you do, yes I've travelled to Salthill on numerous occasions and with a fair wind (pardon the pun) this summer to, while Mayo and Roscommon put yee to shame. I have a lot of sympathy for the Galway footballers, there like nobody's team. We certainly don't need lessons from you, nor do you have just cause to be taking moral high ground with any set of supporters really."
Username you are a decent poster but slightly harsh on our football supporters. We have a very dedicated core (not massive like ye or Mayo at the moment) but your post is disingenuous. Galway unlike most counties have the proverbial dual issue where our footballers more so than our hurlers struggle to attract the hearts and minds of the marginal/casual Galway fan. In fairness to our hurlers they suffered somewhat in the late nineties when our footballers had huge support. Also Galway outside Dublin if you are to go by CSO stats have a higher proportion of non Galwegians to natives living/working here so support would be a little diluted over the yrs. On the thread I agree it is not necessarily a Dublin issue but a GAA issue as to the falling attendances. Mind you investment needs to be spread better as Dublin is very well set up coaching and resource wise and not all this is just Dublin Co. Board investment.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 14/06/2019 08:12:36    2194697

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Should Meath beat Dublin, that will change attendance for next year significantly

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/06/2019 09:27:47    2194713

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Should Meath beat Dublin, that will change attendance for next year significantly"
Attendance figures will be down again so chief.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 14/06/2019 10:04:51    2194726

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