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Donegal V Cavan. Ulster Final. 2019-

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As a Monaghan man, I am definitely shouting for Cavan here, as are most Monaghan people I know. If the occasion doesn't get to them, Cavan are well capable of pulling off a shock result here. Donegal can be confident of reaching the super 8's irrespective of the result here!

TomReilly (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 11/06/2019 22:20:27    2193722

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Replying To endgame:  "It's hard to believe that by the time Donegal won their first Senior Ulster title in 1972,Cavan had already amassed 36 senior Ulster titles.Cavan were the absolute kingpins of Ulster football for so long and were totally dominant in the 20s,30s and 40s.They've only won one senior Ulster title though since the 60s.The balance of power in Ulster has shifted probably permanently and Donegal are strong favourites to win on June 23 next."
Was at that 72 final. Changed times. Donegal maybe had only 3000 supporters there. A young Tyrone support in their Parka jackets filled the place. Wet day. Donegal bigger and more physical. Tyrone won the minor. Frank McGuigan came on for the last spell of the senior. Other memories included attacking right half back Brian McEniff and that funny solo of his, His touch sent the ball a yard over his head. But no mean footballer and Brian got his All Star later on in the year I think.

Triple H (Meath) - Posts: 551 - 12/06/2019 01:32:40    2193776

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Replying To Al_Maguire:  "These are sides as lined out - numbers might have different

Cavan
1. Damien O'Reilly
2. Eugene Kiernan
3. Jim McAweeney
4. Frankie Dolan
5. Tom Brady
6. Joe Dillon
7. Jim Reilly
8. Adge King
9. Danny Finnegan
10. Donal Donohoe
11. Michael Faulkner
12. Ray Cullivan
13. Michael Lynch
14. Derek McDonnell
15. Paddy McNamee

Subs used: Stephen King, Brian O'Grady

Donegal - Due to Matt Gallagher being injured before throw in, Donegal reshuffled so team listed with number as lined out - not what they wore.

1. Noel McCole
2. Des Newtown
3. Martin Griffin
4. Tommy McDermott (wore number 11)
5. Brendan Dunleavy
6. Michael Lafferty
7. Michael Carr
8. Paul McGettigan
9. Anthony Molloy
10. Donal Reid
11. Martin McHugh (wore 13)
12. Joyce McMullan
13. Padraig Carr (wore 16)
14. Seamus Bonner
15. Kieran Keeney

Sub used; Frank Rushe for Martin McHugh (injury)"
not sure who the number 5(Tom Brady) or Michael Lynch are in your Cavan lineup. I believe it was Martin Lynch from Ramor Utd(all Ramor full forward line). Tom Brady eludes me though

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 12/06/2019 08:02:54    2193793

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I don't know what games some of ye are watching sure Cavan haven't a hope in hell.
Donegal will win this make no mistake about it.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/06/2019 08:16:42    2193795

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Replying To tommy58:  "As a follow-on, see below the Donegal team as per the programme for the AI semi-final v Galway.

1. Noel McCole
2. Tommy McDermott 3. Martin Griffin 4. Des Newton
5. Brendan Dunleavy 6. Michael Lafferty 7. Michael Carr
8. Anthony Molloy 9. Paul McGettigan
10. Donal Reid 11. Charlie Mulgrew. 12. Joyce McMullan
13. Martin McHugh 14. Seamus Bonner 15. Kieran Keaney
16. Eunan McIntyre 17. Sean Gavigan 18. Frank Rush 19. Padraig Carr 20. Seamus Reilly 21. Matt Gallagher"
I remember an all-ireland semi-final back in the day between Donegal and Galway. Donegal got a penalty. Neilly Gallagher stepped up to take it. replaced the ball on the penalty spot and the referee gave a free out for handling the ball on the ground. Have I got that right ? or is my memory playing tricks with me. Perhaps some folks on here were at the game. What on earth was the ref thinking of and how did the poor Donegal folk react to such a terrible injustice ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 12/06/2019 08:35:36    2193798

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Replying To Al_Maguire:  "These are sides as lined out - numbers might have different

Cavan
1. Damien O'Reilly
2. Eugene Kiernan
3. Jim McAweeney
4. Frankie Dolan
5. Tom Brady
6. Joe Dillon
7. Jim Reilly
8. Adge King
9. Danny Finnegan
10. Donal Donohoe
11. Michael Faulkner
12. Ray Cullivan
13. Michael Lynch
14. Derek McDonnell
15. Paddy McNamee

Subs used: Stephen King, Brian O'Grady

Donegal - Due to Matt Gallagher being injured before throw in, Donegal reshuffled so team listed with number as lined out - not what they wore.

1. Noel McCole
2. Des Newtown
3. Martin Griffin
4. Tommy McDermott (wore number 11)
5. Brendan Dunleavy
6. Michael Lafferty
7. Michael Carr
8. Paul McGettigan
9. Anthony Molloy
10. Donal Reid
11. Martin McHugh (wore 13)
12. Joyce McMullan
13. Padraig Carr (wore 16)
14. Seamus Bonner
15. Kieran Keeney

Sub used; Frank Rushe for Martin McHugh (injury)"
Tony Brady (cavan number 5 from Castlerahan) and Martin Lynch number 13.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 12/06/2019 08:59:16    2193802

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Tony Brady (cavan number 5 from Castlerahan) and Martin Lynch number 13."
Thanks

We weren't sure from the video footage.

Alan

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 244 - 12/06/2019 10:08:48    2193824

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Thanks so much for posting the details of this! Appreciate it.

bigfrankt (Monaghan) - Posts: 123 - 12/06/2019 10:19:39    2193830

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Replying To catch22:  "I don't know what games some of ye are watching sure Cavan haven't a hope in hell.
Donegal will win this make no mistake about it."
No one is getting ahead of themselves here. Donegal definitely favourites, but I wouldn't say Cavan haven't a hope in hell. Monaghan caught Donegal in 2013 and no reason why Cavan can't on Sunday week. And that was when they were reigning All Ireland winners. Donegal caught a Tyrone team last week on an off day, and while a lot of that was down to their play, they weren't perfect overall, and were a little helped by Harte going off too. Cavan weren't perfect against Armagh either. Both have work to do. Cavan will have to see how they deal with a very strong Donegal team, but this is a different mentality than the side that lay down in Ballybofey last year, and have a manager who seems to know how to gauge opponents. But remember, they have to deal with a Cavan team in bonus territory with nothing to lose, full of confidence, and have a very direct style of play, and are converting a high percentage of chances. Donegal have work to do to counteract that. They probably will win, but if they dip slightly or don't put in the groundwork and research, then they can be caught.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 12/06/2019 11:52:53    2193873

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I think this will be a resounding Donegal victory. They really impressed me against us last weekend.

OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 248 - 12/06/2019 12:18:36    2193886

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No one is getting ahead of themselves here. Donegal definitely favourites, but I wouldn't say Cavan haven't a hope in hell. Monaghan caught Donegal in 2013 and no reason why Cavan can't on Sunday week. And that was when they were reigning All Ireland winners. Donegal caught a Tyrone team last week on an off day, and while a lot of that was down to their play, they weren't perfect overall, and were a little helped by Harte going off too. Cavan weren't perfect against Armagh either. Both have work to do. Cavan will have to see how they deal with a very strong Donegal team, but this is a different mentality than the side that lay down in Ballybofey last year, and have a manager who seems to know how to gauge opponents. But remember, they have to deal with a Cavan team in bonus territory with nothing to lose, full of confidence, and have a very direct style of play, and are converting a high percentage of chances. Donegal have work to do to counteract that. They probably will win, but if they dip slightly or don't put in the groundwork and research, then they can be caught."
Cavan also brought on an injured McVeety last year so from that point of view it's different.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 12/06/2019 13:01:37    2193906

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Cavan also brought on an injured McVeety last year so from that point of view it's different."
7 of the starters from last year aren't starting this year, 5 of them didn't even get a run against armagh the last day out. four of the subs used that day didn't appear against armagh the last day either. the two other subs used were Martin Reilly and Dara. when you look at it that way the game in ballybofey doesn't seem to have any relevance really

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 12/06/2019 13:38:51    2193921

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I'd say we are favourites but only just, being reigning champions and the fact we defeated last years all Ireland finalists in the semi final, outside of that though Cavan have fought a hard battle to get to this final and will be very hungry to win the Anglo Celt after so long without it and with the tradition that Cavan have they will not lack confidence.
we will have to play very well to win, as someone said if we play like we did in the second half against Tyrone we could be in trouble.
A good start is vital as always, I think it will be a fairly open attacking game, really looking forward to this one.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 12/06/2019 13:45:29    2193925

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I'd say we are favourites but only just, being reigning champions and the fact we defeated last years all Ireland finalists in the semi final, outside of that though Cavan have fought a hard battle to get to this final and will be very hungry to win the Anglo Celt after so long without it and with the tradition that Cavan have they will not lack confidence.
we will have to play very well to win, as someone said if we play like we did in the second half against Tyrone we could be in trouble.
A good start is vital as always, I think it will be a fairly open attacking game, really looking forward to this one."
Bookies have us red hot favs at 3/1 on and Cavan 3/1.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/06/2019 14:28:32    2193956

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No one is getting ahead of themselves here. Donegal definitely favourites, but I wouldn't say Cavan haven't a hope in hell. Monaghan caught Donegal in 2013 and no reason why Cavan can't on Sunday week. And that was when they were reigning All Ireland winners. Donegal caught a Tyrone team last week on an off day, and while a lot of that was down to their play, they weren't perfect overall, and were a little helped by Harte going off too. Cavan weren't perfect against Armagh either. Both have work to do. Cavan will have to see how they deal with a very strong Donegal team, but this is a different mentality than the side that lay down in Ballybofey last year, and have a manager who seems to know how to gauge opponents. But remember, they have to deal with a Cavan team in bonus territory with nothing to lose, full of confidence, and have a very direct style of play, and are converting a high percentage of chances. Donegal have work to do to counteract that. They probably will win, but if they dip slightly or don't put in the groundwork and research, then they can be caught."
Cavan definitely have a chance. Donegal going in as 1/3 on carries its own pressure, and we often don't do too well as favorites.

Not sure comparison with Monaghan in 2013 is valid. All Ireland hangover was kicking in by the final and legs were tired. Current young team are on a very different curve

himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 12/06/2019 15:13:44    2193977

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I remember an all-ireland semi-final back in the day between Donegal and Galway. Donegal got a penalty. Neilly Gallagher stepped up to take it. replaced the ball on the penalty spot and the referee gave a free out for handling the ball on the ground. Have I got that right ? or is my memory playing tricks with me. Perhaps some folks on here were at the game. What on earth was the ref thinking of and how did the poor Donegal folk react to such a terrible injustice ?"
The incident was in a National League Semi Final and is well described in a series of posts in June 2016 on a topic entitled "Infamous Incidents'. These posts give the year as 1967. I remember listening to the match.
Neilly Gallagher was taking a penalty. The wind blew the ball off the spot and Neilly replaced it without asking the referee's permission. The referee (Eamonn Moules of Wicklow) gave a free out. Donegal were leading by 3 points at the time and lost by 3.
Regarding the Donegal reaction, over 25 years later, I raised the topic separately with two Donegal people. They hadn't forgotten the incident or the identity of the referee and were still unforgiving.

tommy58 (Dublin) - Posts: 169 - 12/06/2019 15:22:36    2193980

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Replying To tommy58:  "The incident was in a National League Semi Final and is well described in a series of posts in June 2016 on a topic entitled "Infamous Incidents'. These posts give the year as 1967. I remember listening to the match.
Neilly Gallagher was taking a penalty. The wind blew the ball off the spot and Neilly replaced it without asking the referee's permission. The referee (Eamonn Moules of Wicklow) gave a free out. Donegal were leading by 3 points at the time and lost by 3.
Regarding the Donegal reaction, over 25 years later, I raised the topic separately with two Donegal people. They hadn't forgotten the incident or the identity of the referee and were still unforgiving."
Wouldn't blame them to be unforgiving. The ref sounded like he was on a mission to be remembered for the wrong reasons or to make sure that donegal lost that game.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/06/2019 16:22:02    2194010

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Wicklow and referees.. lol ..was probably put in a boot somewhere afterwards

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 540 - 12/06/2019 17:04:11    2194024

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Replying To tommy58:  "The incident was in a National League Semi Final and is well described in a series of posts in June 2016 on a topic entitled "Infamous Incidents'. These posts give the year as 1967. I remember listening to the match.
Neilly Gallagher was taking a penalty. The wind blew the ball off the spot and Neilly replaced it without asking the referee's permission. The referee (Eamonn Moules of Wicklow) gave a free out. Donegal were leading by 3 points at the time and lost by 3.
Regarding the Donegal reaction, over 25 years later, I raised the topic separately with two Donegal people. They hadn't forgotten the incident or the identity of the referee and were still unforgiving."
Thanks Tommy. I thought it was later than 1967. I was sure it was in the '70s. absolutely disgraceful and cruel decision. was Neily Any relation to Neil Gallagher (the great midfielder of modern times)

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 12/06/2019 17:26:21    2194038

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Replying To s goldrick:  "not sure who the number 5(Tom Brady) or Michael Lynch are in your Cavan lineup. I believe it was Martin Lynch from Ramor Utd(all Ramor full forward line). Tom Brady eludes me though"
#5 Tony Brady - Castlerahan

rahanman (Cavan) - Posts: 127 - 12/06/2019 17:28:38    2194041

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