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Meath V Dublin Leinster Final.

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Everyone I know from that area and know it well say he's from ashbourne county meath, Barney moved there with his dublin parents to ashbourne when he was a child apparently."
I'm afraid Barneys family lived and he grew up in Glasnevin a chara. His family started of in Ballymun.

Even if he moved in his adult life to Dublin 19, Deano would have an all Viking bloodline.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2817 - 12/06/2019 20:35:12    2194139

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Even doh he's said a million times he grew up on the Dublin side of the border up near Ashbourne."
And oj said he didn't do it. Your point??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15999 - 12/06/2019 20:47:51    2194146

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I'm afraid Barneys family lived and he grew up in Glasnevin a chara. His family started of in Ballymun.

Even if he moved in his adult life to Dublin 19, Deano would have an all Viking bloodline."
Just on the subject of Dubs and 'pure Viking bloodlines'. Have any of you a passing interest in history, genealogy and DNA testing?

It's a big interest of mine. Most Dublin people come in at 70-80% Gaelic DNA and then maybe an average of 7-8% Scandinavian. The rest usually is a mixture of Scottish, English, Norman, Central Europe. Being a port you may get some Spanish, Italian then far flung destinations like India and Russia.

The further you go inland and away from major rivers the more Gaelic. I'm 98% Gaelic Irish and 2% Scot. No inbred jokes!!

In a nutshell no Dublin player is the incarnation of Ragnar Lothbrok! All Viking bloodline with surnames like Callaghan, McMenamin, McMahon, O'Sullivan, McAuley, Mannion, Flynn, Connolly, O'Carroll, Costello.

The Dubs are true GAELS! Less of the Viking crap :)

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 12/06/2019 21:22:08    2194163

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I think the real question people should be asking is how he still gets away with togging for Ballymun seeing as he is from Garristown! He only went to Ballymun when Garristown didnt have enough numbers to field at underage (alledgedly). He should have been made to return to his home club years ago seeing as they have enough numbers for senior!! Doesn't matter if they are in Division 8 or not. Theres not many players that would get away as lightly for such a betrayal!!

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 475 - 12/06/2019 21:45:08    2194168

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Just on the subject of Dubs and 'pure Viking bloodlines'. Have any of you a passing interest in history, genealogy and DNA testing?

It's a big interest of mine. Most Dublin people come in at 70-80% Gaelic DNA and then maybe an average of 7-8% Scandinavian. The rest usually is a mixture of Scottish, English, Norman, Central Europe. Being a port you may get some Spanish, Italian then far flung destinations like India and Russia.

The further you go inland and away from major rivers the more Gaelic. I'm 98% Gaelic Irish and 2% Scot. No inbred jokes!!

In a nutshell no Dublin player is the incarnation of Ragnar Lothbrok! All Viking bloodline with surnames like Callaghan, McMenamin, McMahon, O'Sullivan, McAuley, Mannion, Flynn, Connolly, O'Carroll, Costello.

The Dubs are true GAELS! Less of the Viking crap :)"
You clearly havent seen our flat pack furtinutre assembky skills.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2817 - 12/06/2019 21:45:12    2194169

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Ah here the 40's n 50's ok you have me, I'm on about the last 20 years mainly we're kildare n Meath have been beaten by Carlow Longford Westmeath limerick etc shocking from both counties, but Dublin have always been good not great but good we're more or less been beaten over the years by the best teams in Ireland at the time apart from 03 04 , from 74 onwards we've always had teams that could challenge, granted we got a few hiding's (who doesn't) but we've never been as bad as Kildare n Meath have been."
Do you know that in 1974 Dublin were actually in 'weak section' of the Leinster Championship. Four counties played off and joined the other 7 to leave 8 quarter finalists.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 12/06/2019 21:47:59    2194172

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Replying To TheUsername:  "You clearly havent seen our flat pack furtinutre assembky skills."
The fact ye're more familiar with flat pack is down to socio economic reasons ;) Just kidding.

Spent 10 years in the Capital between college and work and loved every minute of it.

The greatest Dub of all time isn't Cluxton, Bono etc.. It's Rashers Tierney. And to quote the same gent 'may you have the life of Riley and a large funeral'!

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 12/06/2019 22:02:34    2194176

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "The fact ye're more familiar with flat pack is down to socio economic reasons ;) Just kidding.

Spent 10 years in the Capital between college and work and loved every minute of it.

The greatest Dub of all time isn't Cluxton, Bono etc.. It's Rashers Tierney. And to quote the same gent 'may you have the life of Riley and a large funeral'!"
Barneys married to my cousin.
Born and reared on Collins Avenue or thereabouts.
Built a house on his sister in laws land at Ballymadun near Ashbourne when he got married.
Barney himself ended his career with Garristown
Little known fact, he has something in common with Graham Geraghty, they both had trials at Arsenal, Barney as a goalkeeper.

BoynesideBlue (Meath) - Posts: 130 - 12/06/2019 23:13:06    2194205

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Ah here the 40's n 50's ok you have me, I'm on about the last 20 years mainly we're kildare n Meath have been beaten by Carlow Longford Westmeath limerick etc shocking from both counties, but Dublin have always been good not great but good we're more or less been beaten over the years by the best teams in Ireland at the time apart from 03 04 , from 74 onwards we've always had teams that could challenge, granted we got a few hiding's (who doesn't) but we've never been as bad as Kildare n Meath have been."
Thats just not a fair reflection of the situation.

Since 1974 was the creation of modern Dublin gaa hill 16 Heffos army. U said Dublin have only been beaten by best counties and never been as bad as Meath and kildare.

Yes true but what county have been level of Dublin since 1974. The answer is zero. Not even kerry. No one .

Dublin have population 10 times any other county. They have been top 5 or 6 teams in every year since 1974 no other county has been at that level. The only other counties with that consistency close to Dublin are kerry a football genius county and Cork the largest county in the country with most gaa clubs and second biggest population after Dublin. Kerry dropped out of top 5 in early 90s and Cork out of top 5 currently. Since early 1970s in last 50 years Kerry Dublin and Cork have been most consistent counties.

Everyone else has gone up and everyone else has been beaten by bottom div 3 or div 4 counties. The most consistent sucessful counties in. every decade since 1920s have been kerry Dublin Cork Meath and Galway. Strong teams pushing for Sam nearly every decade.. Meath and Galway are 3rd and 4th most sucessful counties. But they cannot keep up with with kerry and Dublins level. No one can. Its not the like premier league u cannot buy players a county has new players every 10 years some decades a good generation other decades a bad generation.

Meath have been beaten by div 3 div 4 in every era, like every other county in Ireland with exception of Dublin and kerry. Meath have gone up and down like everyone of the 30 other counties other then Kerry and Dublin. Meath were beaten by Wexford in the 1950s. Meath were beaten by longford in 60s and were heading towards div 3 early stages of 60s. Meath were heading towards div 3 in early 70s and early 80s. Meath were beaten by Wexford and longford in early 80s. Meath were beaten by Fermanagh Wexford and Cavan in 00s. Meath have always gone up and down and always been beaten by div 3 and div 4 teams. Like every other county in the country, exception kerry and Dublin.

kildare have been beaten by lower teams also for decades. Kildare were heading towards div 3 in early 60s , 80s. Kildare have won 3 leinster titles in 60 years. Kildare were beaten by div 3 teams in championship in 60s 70s 80s 90s and 00s. Kilkenny footballers beat Kildare in 80s. louth beat kildare in 90s. Wicklow beat Kildare in 00s.

Galway since 1960s have fallen down the football table. Galway have been beaten by div 3 and div 4 teams like Sligo and leitrim and many more in last 40 years. Galway didnt not win a match in Croker between 1984 and 1997. And Galway didnt win a match in Croker in championship between 2001 and 2017. So in the last 35 years Galway have not won a match in Croker in 30 those years. Galway have only beaten one top team an All Ireland winner outside Connacht in 50 years eg Meath in 2001. Galway have been knocked out of the championship by Wexford in 00s. Antrim knocked Galway out of the championship in 2012.

Next county that is 5th on all time list is Down. Down had a great team in 60s and early 90s. The rest of time Down have been outside div 1. Down haven't won Ulster title in 25 years.Down were knocked out of championship by Wexford in 00s and many teams in div 3 and div 4 in last 25 years.

Cavan are on 5 All-Irelands another great football county. Cavan are in there first Ulster final in 18 years and have won 1 Ulster title in 50 years. Armagh have a great tradition but they have also gone up and down. Armagh have spent 3 of last 5 years in div 3 and only won their first match in Ulster in 4 years this year and Armagh have also being beaten by lower division teams regularly also. Derry have been in div 4 lately. And they have been beaten by teams from div 3 and div 4 over the decades. Derry havent won an Ulster title in 21 years. Tyrone have been consitent in last 40 years but they have also been knocked out of the championship by Sligo laois since 2002, Tyrone have gone up down also . Up to 80s Tyrone were a div 3 county and Tyrone were been beaten by div 3 and div 4 teams in early 80s , early 90s abd early 00s. .

Donegal have been strong in 90s and this decade. But have been beaten by div 3 and div 4 teams in any other era, Donegal won their first Ulster title in 1972.. Offaly have won 1 leinster title in 35 years and been been in div 3 and div 4 for most of the time. And laois have won 2 leinsters in 60 years and been beaten by div 3 and div 4 teams in many championship. Wexford Louth Carlow Weztmeath limerick Clare Tipp Leitrim Sligo Longford Antrim Monaghan Fermanagh have been in lower divisions for allot of last 40 or 50 years. So I have basically gone thru nearly all the counties outside Kerry and Dublin. And every county has gone up and down and has failed to challenge every year and been. beaten by teams from lower divs.

Mayo have been the exception recently. But that because Mayo have an obssession about ending the famine breaking the curse if Mayo had won Sam in 90s or 00s or in 2012 2013 wouldnt be reaching all these finals. losing finals keeps driving Mayo. But prior to this era Mayo struggled . Mayo did win Connacht title in 70s and Mayo failed to reach an All Ireland final for 38 years from 1951 to 1989. And in last 25 years longford Fermanagh leitrim have knocked Mayo out of championship.


So the only counties in Ireland in last 50 years that have had Dublins consistency only beaten by top counties and that had teams that challenged every years and haven't been beaten by teams from lower divsion are Dublin and kerry and used to be Cork. Everyone and I mean all the other 29 30 counties have been beaten by counties in the lower divs failed to keep challenging year after year .

It is not possible for other counties to do this. Kerry are a one off. Dublin have the resources. As I said every county outside Dublin and kerry have yo yoed up and down had good teams and bad teams had good eras and bad eras and beating by teams from div 3 and div 4. Every county. So Meath and kildare are just like the other 28 counties. Ur comparsion to Dublin is an unfair as no other county has had Dublins consistency since 1974. Dublin have been top 5 teams in the country in every year since 1974.

Outside kerry no other county would come close to have a team in top 5 or 6 every year. Every other county has risen and declined. Since 1974 Dublin are never knocked out by lower div 1 teams and so have rarely been kerry. Everyone else every other county in Ireland has been knocked out of the championship by teams from lower divisions. Thats the reality of the situation. Dublin with ten times the population the wealthiest most powerful county in the country can be in the top 5 every year. So can kerry no one else can. So ur comparsion or anyalsis of Meath and kildare is unfair and misleading.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 12/06/2019 23:24:50    2194207

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Ah here the 40's n 50's ok you have me, I'm on about the last 20 years mainly we're kildare n Meath have been beaten by Carlow Longford Westmeath limerick etc shocking from both counties, but Dublin have always been good not great but good we're more or less been beaten over the years by the best teams in Ireland at the time apart from 03 04 , from 74 onwards we've always had teams that could challenge, granted we got a few hiding's (who doesn't) but we've never been as bad as Kildare n Meath have been."
Clondalkin if Dublins population was 180k and Meath and Kildare had 1.5m each let's say. If we received 18 times the development funding you got and if we received millions more annually from sponsorship and sports Council grants along with more clubs and registered players you'd have the opposite.

Kildare and Meath would absolutely wallop you annually like how the Dubs wallop us now. When I see Dubs bragging about how good they are or how bad we are I just laugh.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2860 - 12/06/2019 23:30:23    2194209

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Playing a half empty Croke Park the atmosphere is flat it leads to flats games. kildare player said last week playing Croke Park in leinster semi final with 20000 or 30000 the atmosphere is like a training match..And it does effect players.

Meath have some quality defenders eg Keoghan McGill and good forwards eg Newman Sullivan McMahon Conlon. But they miss big powerful men around the middle centre. Playere like Harry Rooney Ronan Jones Paddy kennelly and Brian Conlon all big powerful footballers are all options that have played midfield for Meath in last two years but r not available now for different reasons.
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Meath have lost big powerful midfielders in the last few years for different reasons. Midfielders like Conor Gillespie, Shane O Rourke, Conor Nash , Harry Rooney, Ronan Jones, Paddy Kennelly and Brian Conlon in the last 5 years. All played senior football for Meath seniors at midfield ( except Nash he played minor )..

That is a serious loss of midfield talent. We have had to turn two wing backs into midfielders. At the weekend u could see kildare had the physique and athleticism to match Dublin. When Dublin went up the gears kildare faded but they have physique and atleticism. Meath are a smaller team and while strenght and conditioning has improved the team it is a pity Meath dont have 1 or 2 more powerful players around the centre . We need a big game from Menton and Flanagan or S McEntee at midfield . Its just a pity Rooney or Jones are not available. U wud start Menton and Jones and use Rooney and S McEntee as impact subs.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 860 - 13/06/2019 01:18:13    2194232

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "This will be easy. He is. Why would he present juvenile medals there most years?"
You've totally the wrong family man. It's not Ger Brennan's dad I promise you. Ger Brennan's family are from Dorset street on Dublin north inner city your thinking of the Brennan brothers like Dessie Brennan and Co one of his brothers is Leo he's involved with my club and has sons involved that I know there no relation to Ger Brennan.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2019 08:07:45    2194242

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "That's it in a nutshell, a lot aren't into GAA and are therefore making the population in Kildare, Meath, Laois etc look more impressive than they are.

The Dubs have gained more from country people moving there in terms of county GAA players, Ciaran Kilkenny's illustrious grandfather Sean Purcell, Brian Fenton country roots, Mossy Quinn related to the Delaneys of Stradbally, Laois. Ger Brennan's father one of the Brennan's of St. Joseph's Laois. Just off the top of my head."
More potential players for Meath, Kildare and Laois can never be made out to be a bad thing like some have done previously.

The population increases in those counties will eventually be capitalised upon. The fact that they haven't been yet is not proof that it is a bad thing.

There are other counties around the country that would kill for the population increases that we've seen in the commuter belt.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12682 - 13/06/2019 08:09:03    2194243

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Everyone I know from that area and know it well say he's from ashbourne county meath, Barney moved there with his dublin parents to ashbourne when he was a child apparently.
Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 294 - 12/06/2019 19:58:09


Everyone you know is wrong so.

The Rock's live in Ballymadun, great pub there called the Foxes Inn I think, it's just outside Ashbourne but on the Dublin side on the border.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Glebe,+Ballymadun,+Co.+Dublin/@53.5328282,-6.4148996,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x48671522b0029ff5:0xaf97d3361b609717!8m2!3d53.53283!4d-6.39739

Claiming he's from Meath is like us claiming Bryan Menton is from Dublin.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12682 - 13/06/2019 08:13:16    2194244

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I have nothing to add except Up Meath!

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 566 - 13/06/2019 08:52:31    2194249

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Everyone I know from that area and know it well say he's from ashbourne county meath, Barney moved there with his dublin parents to ashbourne when he was a child apparently."
Barney or Dean? Explain!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 658 - 13/06/2019 09:24:01    2194257

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "I take it you won't be going so ?"
Of course I will, why wouldn't I?? Do you only.go to games that we have a chance of winning?? I don't, i go to them all.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 660 - 13/06/2019 10:00:36    2194262

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "You've totally the wrong family man. It's not Ger Brennan's dad I promise you. Ger Brennan's family are from Dorset street on Dublin north inner city your thinking of the Brennan brothers like Dessie Brennan and Co one of his brothers is Leo he's involved with my club and has sons involved that I know there no relation to Ger Brennan."
I have. Apologies. But there's some relationship, maybe it isn't blood, he's often down (Ger) though in Joseph's.

The overall point I was making is Dublin gained more in GAA terms from country people than Kildare, Meath and Laois are gaining from migrant Dubs 1995 on. As a poster pointed out, think yourself, they are less likely to be interested in GAA.

To get back to the thread. I think Meath will give the Dubs their best Leinster test in 4 or 5 years but Dublin by 12 points. It won't feel like 12 points though as Meath will be close for 60min. A player to be sent off on both sides.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 13/06/2019 10:22:44    2194272

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Replying To MesAmis:  "More potential players for Meath, Kildare and Laois can never be made out to be a bad thing like some have done previously.

The population increases in those counties will eventually be capitalised upon. The fact that they haven't been yet is not proof that it is a bad thing.

There are other counties around the country that would kill for the population increases that we've seen in the commuter belt."
Funny how that works.. Laois 76,000 in 2011 and 82,000 in 2016.

Dublin 1,375,000 in 2011 and 1,451,000 in 2016.

We gain 6,000 and you gain 76,000 in 5 years. Break it down and the well oiled Dublin machine with it's huge advantage in number of GAA coaches are in a far better position to take advantage of the 11-12 times greater pop increase than the likes of Laois with their much smaller increase.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 13/06/2019 10:31:30    2194283

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Funny how that works.. Laois 76,000 in 2011 and 82,000 in 2016.

Dublin 1,375,000 in 2011 and 1,451,000 in 2016.

We gain 6,000 and you gain 76,000 in 5 years. Break it down and the well oiled Dublin machine with it's huge advantage in number of GAA coaches are in a far better position to take advantage of the 11-12 times greater pop increase than the likes of Laois with their much smaller increase."
People need to stop using the population number for direct comparison. It doesn't make any sense.
Registered GAA players are the actual pool available to counties to pick from. Dublin have the most but it's nowhere near the multiple of other counties, that their population is. This is due to Dublin having by far the lowest percentage of registered players.
As of the last numbers I saw from 2015, Dublin had 39K registered players (both codes). Cork had 34K, Galway 21.5K, Meath 15K, Kerry 15K, Mayo 10.5K. Laois had 9.5K.
If we're going to debate player numbers this is the number that actually matters.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 560 - 13/06/2019 11:09:55    2194306

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