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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  " is a handy player but I'm reserving full judgement on him until he goes out and scores 0-5 against a Mick Fitzsimons or Davy Byrne

Was Bernard Brogan a star at 20 years of age, 4 appearance for his county or did he get marked much by backs with 5 or 6 all ireland medals in their back pocket in his early days ?

I never such [email protected]"
I'm not having a dig at James Conlon. I'm just trying to put in perspective that while he is undoubtedly a player of great potential I think its best not to be expecting too much from him just yet. As you say he's only 20 and honestly if he does go and play a blinder against Dublin I'll be the first to applaud the lad. The reason I would reserve full judgment on him is because he is so young and has yet to be overly tested, as you say he's only played 4 games at senior level and has done well but it's a massive step up for him the next day to go from marking Div 3 defenders so far in this championship to marking some of the best around. I was merely trying to dampen expectation as some Meath lads on here are hyping him up to the nines.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 145 - 11/06/2019 22:40:17    2193739

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "
Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  " is a handy player but I'm reserving full judgement on him until he goes out and scores 0-5 against a Mick Fitzsimons or Davy Byrne

Was Bernard Brogan a star at 20 years of age, 4 appearance for his county or did he get marked much by backs with 5 or 6 all ireland medals in their back pocket in his early days ?

I never such [email protected]"
I'm not having a dig at James Conlon. I'm just trying to put in perspective that while he is undoubtedly a player of great potential I think its best not to be expecting too much from him just yet. As you say he's only 20 and honestly if he does go and play a blinder against Dublin I'll be the first to applaud the lad. The reason I would reserve full judgment on him is because he is so young and has yet to be overly tested, as you say he's only played 4 games at senior level and has done well but it's a massive step up for him the next day to go from marking Div 3 defenders so far in this championship to marking some of the best around. I was merely trying to dampen expectation as some Meath lads on here are hyping him up to the nines."
Who in Dublin will mark him? Id that small lad Eoin Murchen playing this year? He'd be a good fit I feel.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2784 - 11/06/2019 23:04:48    2193745

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "
Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  " is a handy player but I'm reserving full judgement on him until he goes out and scores 0-5 against a Mick Fitzsimons or Davy Byrne

Was Bernard Brogan a star at 20 years of age, 4 appearance for his county or did he get marked much by backs with 5 or 6 all ireland medals in their back pocket in his early days ?

I never such [email protected]"
I'm not having a dig at James Conlon. I'm just trying to put in perspective that while he is undoubtedly a player of great potential I think its best not to be expecting too much from him just yet. As you say he's only 20 and honestly if he does go and play a blinder against Dublin I'll be the first to applaud the lad. The reason I would reserve full judgment on him is because he is so young and has yet to be overly tested, as you say he's only played 4 games at senior level and has done well but it's a massive step up for him the next day to go from marking Div 3 defenders so far in this championship to marking some of the best around. I was merely trying to dampen expectation as some Meath lads on here are hyping him up to the nines."
You're a Gentleman TrueBlue35 and especially with that very balance and respectful response ..

I agree hopefully he will enjoy his day out leinster final...and learn one or two things that will help him going forward

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 822 - 12/06/2019 00:24:59    2193765

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Replying To KildareKelly:  "I have a feeling Meath put in some good performances against some of the better teams in the country over the last 2 years. Be great if someone could collate the list & post it for clarity."
U asked for the list of very good performances Meath have had v some better teams in the country in the last 2 years Kildare kelly this is the list

2017 Meath beat Galway by 2 points.
2017 Meath lose to Donegal by 1 point. Game level at 70 mins.
2018 Meath draw with Roscommon in Roscommon. Roscommon get the draw with peno in 4th min of injury time
2018 Meath lose to Tyrone by a point. Tyrone get out of jail with equaliser point in 5th min of injury time with last kick of the game to send the game into extra time. Tyrone win the game in contervesial circumstances in extra time by a point
2019 Meath lose by 2 points to Donegal. Meath lead all the way to 63rd min. Winning by 4 points at 63rd min. Unlucky goal conceded by Meath Donegal win by 2
2019 Meath lose to Donegal by 2 points after ahead by 5 at half time. Donegal only take the lead in 65th min.

So yes Meath did lose most of the games but every single game v top team and we r talking 6 games Meath went toe to toe with All Ireland finalist , Ulster and Connacht champions. The 4th best team in the country eg Tyrone , the 5th best team in the country eg Donegal 6th best team in the country eg Galway and 8th best team in country eg Roscommon. Meath havent played Dublin Mayo or kerry. But the rest of the top 8 Meath went toe to toe for 70 mins and were either 1 point ahead or level going into injury time v these teams. Meath lacked the experience and especially div 1 experience to get over the line. And that is an issue. But they were more then competitive. U could say Meath were unlucky not to beat Tyrone last year and Donegal in Ballybofey this year.

Surely in any ones book Meaths performances v Tyrone Donegal 3 times Galway and Roscommon are a positive for Meath and a very good sign for Meath. Most people expected Tyrone Donegal Galway and Roscommon not just to beat but to beat Meath comprehensivly. Yet Meath were in position to get a result in every single one of those games. If u just mention the laois and Offaly games and dont mention Meaths performances v Tyrone Donegal 3 times Galway and Roscommon then u are not looking at the full picture. And ur anaylsis is incomplete and based on insufficient evidence.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 12/06/2019 01:36:01    2193777

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Deluded! If Kildare didn't beat us Meath certainly won't!"
Again I think that is not based in reality

I apologise wholeheartedly to great Kildare men like Kildare kelly and St Conleths for the below. Not tryng to rub it in. Im just tryinh to explain why I think Meath will put it up to Dublin. I have to use kildare comparsion. No disrespect guys .

Meath and Dublin is an evenly matched rivalry. Its unequal rivalry in terms of resources. But its even v results . The only true evenly matched rivals in football are Galway and Mayo and Meath and Dublin. Cork and kerry is a great event but kerry nearly always win. Only in the late 80s early 90s were Cork sucessful v kerry.

Dublin v Meath is an even rivalry and only very recently has it become a really one sided rivalry.

Just s few stats to back up this.

Between 1930 and 2010 Dublin won 9 All Irelands and Meath won 7 All Irelands.
In the 1930s Dublin won 0 All Irelands . In the 1930s Meath won zero All Irelands
In the 1940s Dublin won 1 All Ireland Meath won 1 All Ireland
In the 1950s Dublin won 1 All Ireland Meath won 1 All Ireland
In the 1960s Dublin won 1 All Ireland Meath won 1 All Ireland.
In the 1970s Dublin won 3 All Irelands Meath won 0 All Irelands
In the 1980s Dublin won 1 All Ireland Meath won 2 All Irelands
In the 1990s Dublin won 1 All Ireland Meath won 2 All Irelands
In the 00s Dublin won 0 All Irelands Meath won 0 All Irelands.

Modern Meath v Dublin rivalry begins in 1983 with Heffernans Dublin v Boylans Meath.

In the last 35 years there has 14 Meath v Dublin leinster finals
Dublin have won 7 Meath v Dublin leinster finals and Meath have 7 Meath v Dublin l leinster finals
In the last 35 years there has been 28 Meath v Dublin championship matchs. There has been 5 draws and 12 victories for Dublin and 11 victories for Meath

Meath v Dublin has been very competitive until recently.
Meath v Dublin in 1940s 50s and 60s Meath were the dominant team but it was very a competitive rivalry
In the 1970s Dublin were the dominant team but it was very competitive rivalry
In the 1980s and 1990s Meath were the dominant team but it was s very competitive rivaket
In the 00s Dublin were a bit more sucessful but it was a very competitive rivaley
In the early part of the decade Dublin were more sucessful but it was still a competitive rivaly.
Its only in the last 4 or 5 years in the last 2 matchs the rivalry has become very one sided and very uncompetitive.


Lets look at how tight the rivaley was
All the winning Margins of every Meath v Dublin championship game since 1983

1983 A draw In the replay Dublin win by 3 points
1984 Dublin won by 4 points
1986 Meath won by 2 points
1987 Meath won by 4 points
1988 Meath won 2 points
1989 Dublin won by 5 points
1990 Meath won by 3 points
1991 3 Draws, the 3rd replay Meath win by 1 point
1993 Dublin won by 1 point
1994 Dublin won by 1 point
1995 Dublin won by 10 points
1996 Meath won by 2 points
1997 Meath won by 3 points
1999 Meath won by 5 points
2001 Meath won by 1 point
2002 Dublin won by 7 points
2005 Dublin won by 2 points
2007 A draw in the replay Dublin won by 4 points
2009 Dublin won by 2 points
2010 Meath won by 11 points
2012 Dublin won by 3 points
2013 Dublin won by 7 points

So as u can see the margin of victories up to bad defeats in 2014 and 2016 were very small. If u take out the hammering in 1995 by Dublin and hammered in 2010 by Meath which were freakish results in Meath v Dublin rivalry the average margin of victory in a Meath v Dublin leinster championship matchs for 35 years and 24 games was 3 points.

So in 30 years and 24 championship games between Meath and Dublin the average winning margin by either was 3 points. Now that has to be one of the closest rivalries in Irish sport.

Its only in 2014 with 16 point win and 10 point in 2016 that the rivalry is uncompetitive and one sided and Dublin are hammering Meath. So it very recent and it only in last two games.

Kildare in comparison would have much poorer record. Dublin have had kildare in mental vice grip for generations. With exception of late 90s and early 70s the kildare v Dublin rivalry has been non existant and very one sided and uncompetitive. And this decade the rivalry has been even less competitive. Meath has deteroated v Dublin in last 2 games , But Meath dont have the decades of heavy loses to Dublin and even in this decade the loses Meath have had v Dublin have worsened but not way on the level of kildare loses to Dublin.

Meath v Dublin since 2005 Dublin began their dominance in leinster. Winning margin in every Meath v Dublin league or championship match since 2005.

2005 Dublin won by 2 points
2007 A draw Dublin win replay by 4 points
2008 Dublin win by 1 point
2008 Dublin won by 2 points
2010 Meath win by 11 points
2012 Dublin win by 3 points
2013 Dublin won by 7 points
2014 Dublin won by 16 points
2016 Dublin won by 10 points.

The average losing margin Meath have had v Dublin since 2005 sis 5 points.
The average losing margin kildare have had v Dublin since 2005 has been 11 points

Dublin v kildare winning margins in all league and championship games since 2005

2009 Dublin win by 3 points
2011 Dublin win by 1 point
2013 Dublin win by 15 points
2013 Dublin won by 11 points
2014 Dublin won by 10 points
2015 Dublin win by 19 points
2017 Dublin win by 9 points
2018 Dublin won by 7 points
2019 Dublin win by 15 points

Since 2010 Kildare have had 6 bad hammering from Dublin. Since 2010 Meath have had 2 bad hammerings. Since 2010 Kildare have had 4 defeats by Dublin over 10 point mark. Since 2010 Meath have had 1 defeat by Dublin over the ten point mark.

My point is here kildare have decades of bad loses to Dublin and in this decade kildare have had record hammerings pretty game after game. Meath have had decades of sucess v Dublin and only in the last 2 games have Dublin been hammering Meath.

So when u say Kildare dont beat Dublin Meath wouldnt , that makes no sense in that Meath dont have the mental.baggage kildare have traditionally and currently v Dublin. Maybe Dublin will hammer Meath for third time sunday week. But the Meath v Dublin rivalry turing very uncompetitve and very one sided and Dublin dishing out hammering to Meath is very recent and just happened in last 2 games. And if you look at Meaths record v Dublin in this decade it is one of best in the country
There has been 2 c competive games and massive Meath victory .Meath along with Cork Mayo and Donegal are the only teams to beat Dublin in the championship in this decade.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 12/06/2019 04:36:42    2193779

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Deluded! If Kildare didn't beat us Meath certainly won't!"
Well that doesn't make sense. I think Meath and kildare there is little between them. I think Meath and kildare played ten times Meath wud win 5 times Kildare 5 times. They are very evenly matched teams. Meath have a better defence kildare better forwards.

But but again I dont mean to be disrespectful to kildare lads here and will probably come across as arrogant Meath man. But I think reality is Meath have moved ahead of kildare in the last 12 months and while in 2017 and 2018 kildare were second best team in leinster and Dublin's main challenger in the provience. All the evidence suggests Meath are now second best team in leinster and Dublins main challenger. Kildare have regressed and their clearly issues in the team and allot of disquiet with the management. More then likely kildare will have a new manager next year. And I personally believe under a Glen Ryan manager and Davy Burke as his assistant that management team and the talent kildare have kildare the ability and potential to not just win leinster once but twice and push for Sam Maguire in the next 5 or 6 years. Kildare and Meath have got their act togther at underage they are organised finance and coaching numbers have increased massively. Meath and kildare mark my words will have a much stronger decade in this decade.

Anyway as I said kildare have regressed and there is clearly disquiet in the camp. Meath have improved dramatically in the last year and all the news from the Meath camp are the players are delighted with McEntee/ Nally management team. Meath are in a much better place in 2019 then kildare. Meath are stronger then kildare in 2019. The same way kildare were stronger then Meath in 2017 and 2018.

Meath were promoted to div 1 this year. Kildare were not promoted to div 1 this year. Kildare failed to beat Fermanagh and Armagh in the league. Meath comprehensivly beat Fermanagh and Armagh in the league. Kildare lost to Donegal by 15 points in the league. Meath lost by 2 points in 2 games in the league v Donegal and were very unlucky to win one of the games and were very competitive in the next game. Meath played kildare in the league and defeated Kildare . And while it was 1 point win the fact is Meath completely dominated the second half and if Meath won by 8 or 9 points it would have being the correct score. While the Meath camp are very united happy camp Meath manager will probably be given another 3 year contract at the end of the league , kildare manager will probaly lose his job.

So Meath have got promoted kildare havent , Meath defeated kildare in an impressive manner , Meath went toe to toe with Ulster champions, kildare were hammered by 15 points by Ulster champions, kildare failed to beat Fermanagh and and Armagh Meath beat them comprehensivly. And Meath r United camp kildare the manager has probaly lost the dressing room And yet you seem to think kildare are in a better place to take on Dublin then Meath. I think someone is deluded and it aint me

And throw in Meath long tradition v Dublin. Kildare and Dublin rivalry has been very mute for generations. With exception of 1920s and early 70s and late 90s kildare have always struggled badly v Dubs. Meath have dominated Dublin in 40s 50s 60s 80s and 90s.

kildare have beaten Dublin in 1 leinster final in 91 years.
Meath have beaten Dublin in 7 leinster finals in the last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten Meath in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.


However I do think the future is bright for kildare and Meath. And Dublin will decline quicker and faster then people think. Let me explain.

Dublin should be winning minors like Kerry to dominate in the future. At underage in leinster at minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive. Meath and kildare are more then match for Dublin at underage. kildare hammered Dublin in under 20 leinster final last year. Meath have a very strong under 20 team this year and have beaten Dublin 4 times in 4 previous years at minor level. If this continues for next 5 or 10 years this will effect Dublin at senior. And all the signs are that Meath and kildare will continue to be strong at underage.

For the last 15 years minor and under 20 and under 21 leinster championship has been Dublin play thing. Dublin have won 5 under 21 All Irelands. No other team in leinster won under 21 All Ireland in that period. Kildare had two good under 21 teams in that period but that all. At minor level Dublin werent as strong but they could use the minor grade for development rather then winning trophies. This was easy to do as leinster championship in last 15 years has been the poorest in the country. No team in leinster has won a minor All Ireland outside Dublin in 15 years and only 1 leinster team has reached minor final in last 15 years outside Dublin eg Meath 2012.

Underage was very poor in leinster for 10 to 12 years. There is a seachange at underage now. Meath and kildare are stronger and getting stronger. Wicklow louth have had more finance and coachs and are improving and Offaly and Westmeath have had good teams. If this continues Dublin will see impact at senior. Look at Clare or Galway or limerick All Irelands it was based on underage hurling sucess.

I believe people will be shocked how much Dublin will dip in 2020s. Kerry are coming with a great team. Cork will surely comeback. Mayo will keep pushing for Sam until they win. Galway I have hunch will be very strong in 2020s at underage Galway have got their act togther. Roscommon have a good underage record recently that sud continue. There's an All Ireland in Donegal team. And in Ulster there is young Jimmy McGuiness or a young Mickey Harte or Peter McGrath no one knows or heard of yet who will take over a Derry or an Armagh or an Down . And become another great Ulster like eg Down Derry Donegal 90s , Armagh Tyrone 00s and Donegal in this decade. Wait til u see. Theyr will be another great Ulster in 2020s. Meath and kildare will be much stronger in 2020s. Can Dublin like kerry stay at the top. Yes Dublin have gone up a level.

In the past we saw great Dublin teams every 40 or 50 years. In 20s 70s and this decade. Kerry produced Great team in every second decade eg 1950s 1970s 1980s and 00s and soon in 2020s. Dublin will have great teams similar in 2030s and 2050s 2070s. But kerry have dipped after great teams. Dublin will dip. The 2020s should be a very competitive era. Anytime we have had a team dominating an era and we have uncompetitive era, the next decade is a very competitive era. We have two examples.


Between 1974 and 1986 in 12 years Dublin and kerry won 11 of the 12 All Irelands. There was only two All Ireland contenders in the late 70s and early 80s.

In the following 12 years we had 8 different All Ireland winners in 12 years. In 1984 or 1985 you had two All Ireland contenders eg Dublin or kerry. Ten years later u had 8 or 9 contenders for Sam in 1 year eg Meath Dublin kildare Mayo Galway Cork Kerry Mayo Derry Down Donegal Armagh Tyrone.

In hurling we had the same thrend. We had two All Ireland contenders late 00s. Ten years later in hurling u have 6 or 7 All Ireland contenders. In ln 00s kilkenny dominated hurling similar to a Dublin now. If u said in ten years time in 2009 that in the next decade Clare and Galway and limerick would win liam mcarthy no one wud have believed u. The same way in football in 1986 when kerry had won their 8th All Ireland in 12 years, if u said that Donegal Derry Meath Cork Down Galway would all.win All Irelands in the next 12 years u would have been laughed at.

When have an era which one team dominates and is uncompetitive eg kerry in 70s and 80s , Kilkenny in 00s and Dublin in this decade. The next decade is very competitive era where there is multiple All Ireland winners.

What happens. Teams up their game in response to one team domiting especially the main rival. Kerry had their greatest team between 1974 to 1986. Cork had their greatest team right after from 1987 to 1993. Its no coincidence. Dublin had their greatest team before this decade between 1974 to 1985. Meath had their greatest team straight after. 1986 to 1991. Its no coincidence that when kerry hsd there great Cork were forced to up their game and they produced a great team in reaction to kerrys sucess. Its no coincidence when Dublin had their great team Meath were forced to up their game and they produced a great team in reaction to Dublin. Rivals push each other to sucess.

Already we have seen counties responding to Dublin sucess. Kerry 5 minor All Irelands are an response are caused by Dublins sucess. Kerry response to Dublins sucess and is placing serious work into minor level. Kerry upped their game in response to Dublin sucess. Meath winning minor leinster title last yeat and two in a row at that new level and kildare All Ireland under 20 win are direct response to Dubljns sucess. In hurling Limerick Clare and Galqay had huge underage sucess. Again they upped their game in terms of preparation and this was a response to kilkenny sucess.

The thrend is Dublin should dip in the 2020s like kerry did in 90s and kilkenny did in this decade. And we should see a football championship similar to 90s or 00s. U can definitely at underage see that something is stirring. I cud be wrong maybe Dublin will win the next 10 All-Irelands. But the evidence is when one team dominates a decade the following decade is a much more competitive era. Time will tell. But I think Dublin will decline and have much less sucess in 2020s people. They wouldnt go back to 1996 to 2010 they have gone up a level. But Dublin winning a pile of All Irelands in 2020s is not as certain as people thinks. They will be strong at the start of the decade but when the greats like Cluxton retire from 2023 2024 onwards Dublin will decline like kilkenny have done. Dont be surprised that Dublin dont win Sam better 2024 and 2030. I think u will see a very competitive era at the end of the 2020s.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 12/06/2019 04:49:33    2193780

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "
Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  " is a handy player but I'm reserving full judgement on him until he goes out and scores 0-5 against a Mick Fitzsimons or Davy Byrne

Was Bernard Brogan a star at 20 years of age, 4 appearance for his county or did he get marked much by backs with 5 or 6 all ireland medals in their back pocket in his early days ?

I never such [email protected]"
I'm not having a dig at James Conlon. I'm just trying to put in perspective that while he is undoubtedly a player of great potential I think its best not to be expecting too much from him just yet. As you say he's only 20 and honestly if he does go and play a blinder against Dublin I'll be the first to applaud the lad. The reason I would reserve full judgment on him is because he is so young and has yet to be overly tested, as you say he's only played 4 games at senior level and has done well but it's a massive step up for him the next day to go from marking Div 3 defenders so far in this championship to marking some of the best around. I was merely trying to dampen expectation as some Meath lads on here are hyping him up to the nines."
True and fair post

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 650 - 12/06/2019 07:38:46    2193785

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Whats about these performances forget laois and Carlow
1 Tyrone All Ireland finalist last year. Meath played real passion and intensity and went toe to toe with Tyrone. Only a point from Tyrone in 6th min of injury time stops Meath beating the All Ireland finalist.
2 Donegal in Ballybofey a few months ago. For 65 mins Meath played quality div 1 football.
3 Donegal in Croker a few months. For 35 mins Meath were much superior. 9 points up after 15 mins; 5 up at half time. Meath lead to the last ten mins. Brillant attacking football in first 35 mins. Did u not see that.
4 Roscommon in Roscommon last year. Drawn with Connscht champions and div 2 champions in the Hyde last year. Only a peno scored by Roscommon in 4th min of injury time secure the draw for Rossies.
5 Galway 2 years ago. Meath played brillianty v Galway two years and defeated them, only kerry Dublin and Meath have beaten Galway in the league in the last 2 years.
6 Donegal 2 years ago. The lead changes 8 times. Meath played with great passion and intensity. Game level after 70 mins where a Paddy McBreaty wonder point secures victory.

That six games against 6 quality teams. People are ignoring Meath brillant performance v Tyrone All Ireland finalist, Brillant performance v best team in Ulster in Croker and Ballybofey in this spring eg Donegal and Meaths brillant performances v Connacht champions in last two years Galway and Roscommon.

And Meaths brillant performance in second half v kildare in the league. Where Meath showed the old never say die spirit of old. Or the 6 point win v Armagh a few months ago. Meath were 9 up at one stage playing some excellent attacking football.

If Meath play with intensity they showed v Tyrone last year and the second half v kildare this year and perform to the standard of the quality football they produced v Donegal in Ballybofey, v Donegal in first half in Croker and v Armagh in Navan , Dublin will not hammer Meath. It will be a contest and Meath will go toe to toe with Dublin. It will be closest contest in leinster since 2012 2013 when Meath lost by 3 points in 2012 and Meath led at half time and where the best team in first half and the game was in the balance til last ten mins in 2013.

I talked 6 Meath people in the last 24 hours face to face about the match in Meath and every single one of them expects Meath to put it up to Dublin and everyone of them are saying Meath can win. Thousands of thousands of Meath supporters when the ball is thrown in 23rd will believe we can win. Many in Meath wouldnt but the traditions of Meath football the quality of the manager and players football they have played in last 12 months. Meath expects. Other counties expect to be beaten by Dublin. Meath expects to put Dublin to the pin of their collar.

The feeling the intensity of 15 Meath dogs of war , eating the Dubs for every single ball like their lifes depended on it. We know the reality of the challenge. We know how strong Dublin r. We know its a mircale we need. But Meath football versus Dublin football has always being a miracle act. Every time we have beaten the Dubs it has been a mircae act from 1947 to 1952 to 1964 to 1975 to 1986 to 1991 to 1996 to 2001 to 2007 to 2010 all the 36 times we have beaten Dublin in league and championship has been act of miracle performances. Thats Meath football v Dublin . It proving that the impossible is possible.

In 1964 Dublin r reigning All Ireland champions. Meath are rank outsiders going into leinster final. 3 Quinn brother on the Meath team from Kilbride. Their father is a very sick man. The priest is sent for the father. The 3 brothers decide they shouldn't play in leinster final because of father ailing health. Their father on his death bed asks them to come to his room. And tells them to play in the leinster final v the Dubs. Next day three brother say goodbye to their father and in Croke Park perform greatest Meath performance v Dublin in a leinster final ever. And aganinst all odds Meath are crowned leinster champions. That night the 3 Quinn brothers from kilbride bring back the leinster cup to the fathers homeplace. In the following few days the father passes away.

The Quinn brothers, Sean Boylan , Peter McDermont, Mattie Kerrigan , Fr Tully, Mick lyons Liam Harnan, Gerry McEntee, Colm O Rourke, Darren Fay , John McDermont, Trevour Giles , Ollie Murphy, Graham Geraghty, Joe Sheridan , Stephen Bray never bowed to Dublin. Men from kilmainhamwood , Curraha , Navan , Bettystown , Skyrne , Summerhill , Nobber , Dunboyne , Ashbourne, Rsthoath , Rathkenny , Moynalvey never bow to Dublin. Men with the name McEntee from Nobber , Harnan from Moynalvey, Keoghan from Rathkenny and Newman from kilmainhamwood never bow to Dublin. We respect the Dubs even sneakily admire their great team. We enjoy the company of their great supporters. But when its leinster final day two tribes go to war and for Meath this is the closest to war without guns and tanks u can get. With just heart and soul and hands and legs 15 Meath men will fight like their whole family and neighbours lifes depended on it to bring back the Delaney cup. It matters.

Meath v Dublin matters more to Meath more then any other thing. Meath v Dublin it matters more to us more then anything its beyond a religious experience. It beyond words.

Mick lyons once said he was prepared to die to beat Dublin , put his life on the line to beat Dublin. It just matters that much to us. If we lose we lose . If we lose badly , we lose badly. But it is not question if Meath will beat Dublin its a question when so why not on the 23rd why bloody not.
Theyre are three certain things in life. The three certain things in life are paying taxes , dying and Meath beating Dublin in leinster finals in June or July. We have been doing for 100 years we do it for another hundred. It is passion, it is believe it everything to our county. Beating Dublin in leinster final is what Meath as a county stands for it is in our blood and dna and what we were put on this earth to do. Go toe to toe with men from the capital in front of hill 16.

The challenge is mighty but we wouldn't want it any other way in Meath. The more difficult the challenge the more we like it. The better the Dubs r , the more we raise our game. Its just part of living in the Royal county. To others they say Dublin are the greatest, to us they r just Dublin nothing more more nothing kess. To others they are invincible to us they are beatable. To others they are in awe to us we are hungry to knock them from their throne knock them from their pedestal. The higher the pedestal the higher the fall. The higher pedestal Dublin are o the higher Mesth jump and stronger we tackle gto topple Dublin from their pedestal.

The Dubs u have been warned. The Meath backlash has begun. 4 victories at minor in 4 years. Even youngster of 16 or 17 years of age in Meath have got the memo. Its only Dublin. 15 v 15 . Go out and beat them. We are now getting stronger by the year, by the week by the day and the countdown to Meaths next victory over Dublin is on way. Is it three years away , is it two years away or is it one year away or OR is it two weeks away. Take ur pick. Its any of the above. It just to be done. No ifs no buts no whinging no moaning. Just its mid June the hay is saved and The Dubs are beaten. A Meath war rallying cry for generations in the past and for generations in the future. And for this Meath generation of footballers it is here it now, it is time to become real Meath footballers For to be a real Meath footballer u have to beat Dublin in a leinster final. The real test for every Meath footballer. The gaunlet has been thrown down and the torch has passed to a new generation and standing on the shoulder of gaint the time of deliverance is here.
June 23rd Meath rock the Dubs and the GAA to it very foundations
Meath Leinster champions 2019"
People can say and think what they like, but meath cannot and will not win this game......the gulf in class is just too much for pride passion and even a bit of luck to make up the gap. I'm not happy about this but I'm realistic, and as long as we don't roll over and get our bellies tickled and throw in some hard hits, don't let them have it all their own way I'll be happy.... but i can see the scoreline being not a million miles away from the kildare Dublin games Sunday. 1 20 to 13 or 14 points would be my prediction

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 650 - 12/06/2019 07:44:53    2193786

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "People can say and think what they like, but meath cannot and will not win this game......the gulf in class is just too much for pride passion and even a bit of luck to make up the gap. I'm not happy about this but I'm realistic, and as long as we don't roll over and get our bellies tickled and throw in some hard hits, don't let them have it all their own way I'll be happy.... but i can see the scoreline being not a million miles away from the kildare Dublin games Sunday. 1 20 to 13 or 14 points would be my prediction"
I cannot disagree with what you say. U r saying what most people think in and outside the county. A team that has won say nearly 100 competitive games in Croker versus a team that has won 1 game in Croker. A team that has won 6 All Ireland finals in 8 years and 9 leinster titles in a row in Croker against team that has won just a Byrne cup and division 2 national league runners y
up and 1 competitive game in Croker. A team nearly a decade together v a team 12 months together. Possibly the greatest team of all.time versus the 8th or 9th best team in the country. Thats been realistic. And u r been realistic. Being realistic two years ago I said we wud win leinster title in 2021 2022. Two years on this forum I said we wud improve this year and make impact in 2020 2021 2022. We seem to be on schedule.

I respect ur honesty and in many ways true anaylsis. But it for me everytime we play Dublin I always feel we can beat them. Its not rational. Its thinking with ur heart not ur head. It pure passion and emotion. For the next two weeks I will get more exicited and I cannot wait for the match. And I know thw evidence is very strong I know the gap between the teams but when the ball is thrown I will still believe we can beat them. It doeant make sense . But it does I at was four games in 91. Every game we should have beaten . It was a mircale we drew the 3 games and its a mircale we won the last game with extraordinary Kevin Foley goal and Beggy. I know those 4 games have no relevance to Sundays game. But I am not thinking with my head it just all heart. Since 1991 it doesnt matter if Dublin win every All Ireland til 2030. If we meet them in 2031 leinster final after they have won 15 in a row. I will still believe we can beat them. Is it leinster final fever or delusional behaviour. Who knows. All I know theres no harm in believing in the same way there is no harm in u being honest.

Meath are getting stronger and Meath will suceed. I have little evidence just feeling in my water more then anything we will put it up to Dublin on 23rd and if we do u just never know . Anyway we all want the best for Meath football. lf we lose, we lose. The Good old Meath ship stil keeps sailing in to the future. One day we will beat the Dubs. Im just believing we will do it Sunday week. I cannot give any concrete evidence other as I said I always believe 15 meath can always beat 15 Dublin. As I said I respect ur comments because u r being honest and realistic. But I still believe in the spirit of 1991. And if u turn 91 around it is 19. Surely a sign we will win. There u r I have evidence we will now. Its enough me. Meath v Dublin leinster finals are everything wouldn't be great if final on the 23rd was like leinster final from 70s or 80s or 90s or 00s. We can only dream. But sometimes not all the time sometimes dream come true. Fingers crossed. An Mhi Abu.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 12/06/2019 10:35:34    2193838

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "People can say and think what they like, but meath cannot and will not win this game......the gulf in class is just too much for pride passion and even a bit of luck to make up the gap. I'm not happy about this but I'm realistic, and as long as we don't roll over and get our bellies tickled and throw in some hard hits, don't let them have it all their own way I'll be happy.... but i can see the scoreline being not a million miles away from the kildare Dublin games Sunday. 1 20 to 13 or 14 points would be my prediction"
Very good post with a bit of realism for good measure, id love Dublin to be challenged in Leinster but its going to be another few years before that happens, no one even close to the Dubs atm and that's not going to change next year or the year after, having said that i hope Meath give it their all and make some kind of game of it and set themselves up for a good run for the rest of the summer!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 649 - 12/06/2019 10:43:36    2193841

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "People can say and think what they like, but meath cannot and will not win this game......the gulf in class is just too much for pride passion and even a bit of luck to make up the gap. I'm not happy about this but I'm realistic, and as long as we don't roll over and get our bellies tickled and throw in some hard hits, don't let them have it all their own way I'll be happy.... but i can see the scoreline being not a million miles away from the kildare Dublin games Sunday. 1 20 to 13 or 14 points would be my prediction"
You're 100% right but the lads are excited so leave them at it.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9863 - 12/06/2019 11:25:07    2193862

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Maybe a point for another thread but a problem for Meath, Kildare, and to a lesser extent the likes of Laois is that their populations are growing, but they are commuter Dubs who don't put down roots in their new communities. Their children support Dublin mostly.

So saying to Meath your population is 194,000 or Laois is 82,000 you should be able to compete when Monaghan can, doesn't reflect the whole picture. Monaghan's 60,000 is more homogeneous than Laois' diluted one. Sometimes driving around Dunboyne etc it's hard to see where Dublin ends.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 514 - 12/06/2019 11:41:34    2193870

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Maybe a point for another thread but a problem for Meath, Kildare, and to a lesser extent the likes of Laois is that their populations are growing, but they are commuter Dubs who don't put down roots in their new communities. Their children support Dublin mostly.

So saying to Meath your population is 194,000 or Laois is 82,000 you should be able to compete when Monaghan can, doesn't reflect the whole picture. Monaghan's 60,000 is more homogeneous than Laois' diluted one. Sometimes driving around Dunboyne etc it's hard to see where Dublin ends."
Correct when Meath won tbe All Ireland in 1999 its population was 100000 lower then Mayos. Now its 200000..Dubs who eitheir support Dublin r have no interest in GAA. thats the increase in pop. .Wicklow Antrim limerick Dublin ( 1996 to 2010 ) kildare 1957 to 1992 are all.examples that population guarantees feck all.

20 % of people in Cork are not from Cork.
18% of people who live in Donegal are not from Donegal
71% of people who live in Meath are not from Meath.

Thats from the latest census. Anyone who says Meath and kildare and laois sud be doing better with population boom are not looking properly at the situation. When people bring up population one word says it all Wicklow, big population close to Dublin, great clubs, great gaa people. Yet after kilkenny footballers probaly the least sucessful inter county team. Along with Fermanagh Wicklow are the only counties to never win provicial title..And Wicklow had it first win in the championship in Croker 10 years ago. Wicklow should be on 3 or 4 All Irelands and 10 or 12 leinster titles for it size. But population guratees nothing.

Look at Antrim I know half population dont have interest in gaa but no Ulster titles since 1940s. Look at limerick no Munster football title or victory over kerry in football since the 1890s. Only two hurling All Ireland titles in nearly 80 years. 1 All Ireland hurling victory every 40 years. Population gurantees nothing. There has been population explosion in Meath kildare and loais in this decade. Yet this is Meaths worst decade since the 1920s , its kildares worst decade along with 1980s since the 1920s also and it laois worst decade since 1970s.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 12/06/2019 11:59:17    2193877

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Maybe a point for another thread but a problem for Meath, Kildare, and to a lesser extent the likes of Laois is that their populations are growing, but they are commuter Dubs who don't put down roots in their new communities. Their children support Dublin mostly.

So saying to Meath your population is 194,000 or Laois is 82,000 you should be able to compete when Monaghan can, doesn't reflect the whole picture. Monaghan's 60,000 is more homogeneous than Laois' diluted one. Sometimes driving around Dunboyne etc it's hard to see where Dublin ends."
Do commuter Dubs who live in Laois let's say not send their kids to local schools, GAA clubs etc? Anyone I know living outside Dublin in Leinster counties send their kids to school where they live, all play GAA for their local team and I have a couple of friends whose kids play underage for the county they live in. It's a genuine question as my example is only from what I know personally and have no idea how the vast majority of Dubs living outside Dublin view their adopted towns. I've seen the change in places like Ashbourne, Dunboyne, Naas, Maynooth, Bray, Greystones.. the list goes on and how they've changed over the years due to Dubs moving outside the county for housing within commutable distances to the city.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 145 - 12/06/2019 12:00:52    2193879

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Maybe a point for another thread but a problem for Meath, Kildare, and to a lesser extent the likes of Laois is that their populations are growing, but they are commuter Dubs who don't put down roots in their new communities. Their children support Dublin mostly.

So saying to Meath your population is 194,000 or Laois is 82,000 you should be able to compete when Monaghan can, doesn't reflect the whole picture. Monaghan's 60,000 is more homogeneous than Laois' diluted one. Sometimes driving around Dunboyne etc it's hard to see where Dublin ends."
They support Dublin but play for Kildare clubs so if their good enough at minor let's say they end up playing with Kildare or Meath or whatever county they live in. It's happening all the time loads of kids with Dublin parents are playing with the county their born in.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9863 - 12/06/2019 12:05:14    2193881

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Maybe a point for another thread but a problem for Meath, Kildare, and to a lesser extent the likes of Laois is that their populations are growing, but they are commuter Dubs who don't put down roots in their new communities. Their children support Dublin mostly.

So saying to Meath your population is 194,000 or Laois is 82,000 you should be able to compete when Monaghan can, doesn't reflect the whole picture. Monaghan's 60,000 is more homogeneous than Laois' diluted one. Sometimes driving around Dunboyne etc it's hard to see where Dublin ends."
Yes that's all well and good but if you look at Meath there's a huge amount of dubs involved with there home Meath clubs . I have noticed in the last 2 years as dublin dominate too much , there interest us beginning to wane on following dublin as much as they did 10 years ago . There longer in the county and more settled and don't rely on the crutch of following dublin as much most are now that long away from living in dublin they don't really have the same drive to be dublin fans, basically they have become integrated more. The real fascinating thing I have noticed is when they have children good at football or hurling who are borne and reared in Kildare or Meath and get picked for Meath underage teams straight away the parents are now Meath fans as well as still following dublin but the kids have very little interest in following dublin, the county they are now representing with there friends and club mates is there only county. So it's Brillant in the long run for Meath and Kildare to integrate dubs into GAA clubs because we get there offspring. It's exactly what happened in dublin in the 70s and 80s.

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 464 - 12/06/2019 12:12:41    2193882

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Maybe a point for another thread but a problem for Meath, Kildare, and to a lesser extent the likes of Laois is that their populations are growing, but they are commuter Dubs who don't put down roots in their new communities. Their children support Dublin mostly.

So saying to Meath your population is 194,000 or Laois is 82,000 you should be able to compete when Monaghan can, doesn't reflect the whole picture. Monaghan's 60,000 is more homogeneous than Laois' diluted one. Sometimes driving around Dunboyne etc it's hard to see where Dublin ends."
That is a valid point, however I'm not aware of many (if any) Dubs living in the county who would make any difference. The biggest problem has been neglect of underage and in many cases development squads were poorly organised / managed. Financial help with coaches would have helped though. One cannot always blame outside issues, as with most aspects in life, you have to be able to help yourself.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2034 - 12/06/2019 12:12:47    2193883

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Meath and Kildare no matter how much they give out about Dublin should with their population's and how mad gaa counties they are be way better than they are right now.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9863 - 12/06/2019 12:36:36    2193892

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In reply to the posters who replied to me...

It's my experience that the second generation Dubs have less of a grá for their adopted county, don't make it.

Whereas your much more likely to have say the son of a prison officer from a country county play club and county.

Now the fault lies on both sides. We have to make our clubs appealing to second generation Dubs. Sometimes, especially in the countryside clubs can be clanish.. that brings bad and good.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 514 - 12/06/2019 12:44:23    2193898

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "People can say and think what they like, but meath cannot and will not win this game......the gulf in class is just too much for pride passion and even a bit of luck to make up the gap. I'm not happy about this but I'm realistic, and as long as we don't roll over and get our bellies tickled and throw in some hard hits, don't let them have it all their own way I'll be happy.... but i can see the scoreline being not a million miles away from the kildare Dublin games Sunday. 1 20 to 13 or 14 points would be my prediction"
Ok look I see what you're saying, we're facing a team who rarely beats other Leinster counties by less than 10pts, so we're up against it to say the least.

But I always find it difficult to come to terms with the idea of already being beaten before you take to the pitch. Nevermind the supporters, you'll get hundreds of different opinions among supporters but the squad themselves, surely they must believe they can and will win, otherwise what's the point.

If a team truly believes that they've been beaten before a ball is thrown up then why put in heavy tackles or a lung bursting effort, surely they should take it easy and save themselves for the next day. Why risk injury or suspension for a 100% guaranteed loss, it doesn't make sense to me.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8215 - 12/06/2019 12:56:53    2193904

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