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The problem these last few years isn't the talent, it's the psychology. A few years ago O'Down came in, cleared out all the experienced players, and brought in a load of kids. No experienced players in training to even to bring the youngsters up to the intensity and tempo required for championship. Many went from club intermediate, to playing basically professionals at senior level in Dublin.

We went from a team who could raise their game for Dublin, to a team who wilted within a year or two. A team who were men, to a team who had the mentality of kids. Psychology wise, we're still not close to being back to that level, and I don't think we will for a while either. It's something that's very hard to get back

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4098 - 10/06/2019 21:10:11    2193215

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "I try to be respectful to every county. I am actually a worrier by nature. I was worried before Carlow game and laois game. Before Dublin game I cannot wait. I love Meath v Dublin leinster finals. Yes I know the reality of the situation. I understand what Meath face. But its whats called a rivalry. Yes its one sided rivalry but Meath v Dublin is rivalry the same way Cork and kerry and Tyrone and Armagh are rivalries. All one sided currently. But still rivalries all the same. Rivalries are all about passion and emotions . So for me the build up for Meath v Dublin is all about the passion. I have respect for Dublin. Always admired their manliness. They take their beating they never whinge. They take the belts never whinge just come back twice as hard. Heffernan is an admired figure in Meath. Sure even a Meath great wrote a book about him . He created modern Dublin GAA. Behind Heffernans Dublin of swagger and cockiness is toughness . Thats what admire most about Dublin.

But more then any other county beating Dublin is everything. Its not about the leinster title. Its about beating Dublin. U beat Dublin it means u are a special team. Usually when a county beats the Dubs its with some of ur counties greatest players. Because Dublin have always been the toughest team to beat.

I dont hate Dublin. I dont hate anyone. I actually respect the Dubs and admire some of these traits. And greatly admire their current team. Win 5 in a row they r greatest ever. Many of the Dublin players I really admired over the years like Gerry Hargan Kieth Barr Paul Curran Barney Rock Brian Mullins Paddy Christes Brian Stynes Alan and Bernard Brogan Paul Flynn James Mcarthy jack McCaffrey and Con Callaghan. Great footballers great , Dublin men. But what I hate is losing to Dublin. More then any other county. The same way a Mayoman hates losing to Galway or Tipperary man hates losing to kilkenny or a Cavan hates losing to Monaghan. Its a rivalry. I hate when Meath supporters say we havent a hope we r going to be beating by 15 points. Maybe that will happen. They have many things to back them up. But for me I ain't listening, Im just listening to the comments its mid June the hay is saved the Dubs r bate , it mid June the hay is saved the DUBS ARE BATE. Thats all Im thinking.

Its raw emotions, raw passion. Thats why I love v Meath leinster finals. Yes I know the last leinster final was a awful day for Meath. But I did once see Meath beat Dublin in leinster 8 times and 4 draws in nearly decade . And 7 of those Meath victories over Dublin in a decade were in Meath v Dublin leinster finals. I was their for the 4 games in 91. All miracles we drew and won. Meath beating Dublin has always being a miracle act. Dublin are Manchester United, Meath are Leicester City. It is the most unequal rivalry in Irish sport. Cork and kerry , Tyrone and Armagh, Tipperary and kilkenny, Galway and Mayo are all.similar enough counties in terms of population power resources. Meath and Dublin are definitely not. Yet this average bog standard midlands county has never known its place never bowed to Dublin never tapped its hat to Dublin. Always stood firm always took the fight to Dublin.

Its not just in days in yore its in this decade. We hammered their great team in 2010. And this is 4th Meath v Dublin leinster final in this decade. The rest are Meath v louth , Dublin v Westmeath twice, Dublin v kildare, Dublin v Wexford, Dublin v laois. It still has been the main leinster final pairing in this decade. Yes Dublin have dominated. But we have dominated the rivalry before in 40s 50s 60s 80s and 90s. Dublin are in control now but I am sure one day we will be back in control again. And maybe in two weeks that will be the day.

I cannot explain myself properly. As I said its just pure emotions and pure passion. And we all have a role in Meath. Kilkenny and Tippearey are one our great rivals. In early 90s kilkenny and Tippearey were playing each other more regularly then for a while. On the border there was older man who used to cycle a bike with a hurley tied to the bike. People would ask him why would tie a hurkey to a bike. He wud say its because u never know when u meet a kilkenny fella and u need to be ready at time of day to go to war with kilkenny , one of us go to war with kilkenny we all go to war with kilkenny. So even when he was cycling his bike around the byways of Tipperary he had hurley ready to go to war with kilkenny.

Maybe I am that guy on the bike. Probably sound a bit of lunatic. But I dont care. All I care and will think of for next two weeks is the leinster final. Every day it come closer and every day I will be more excited. Whats wrong with that. Why shouldnt I believe in my county. Why shouldnt I not be fearful of Dublin. Its not against the law to believe in your county. I respect the Dubs , enjoy their supporters company immensely , admire many of their great players and current team but I hate giving into them, I hate throwing in the towel into them even before a ball is kicked. If we lose we lose , but until 3.30 on 23rd I am all about beating Dublin. And no one will change my mind.

I would love to see 15 Meath tear into Dublin like life depended on it on 23rd. Bring the dogs of war. To many teams stand off Dublin are beating before they walk the field. I am not giving in til final whistle. And with man the calibre of Andy McEntee on the line and men the calibre of Donal keoghan on the field, those men wouldnt bend the knee to Dublin eithier.

Im sure I have made no sense above. Again its all.about passion and passion is nothing to with sense or making sense passion it is about achieveing ur dreams, when everyone says it is not possible . So here is mine. It will soon be reality. Believe Royals, believe. The below will make total.sense to the believers in Meath

23rd June 2019 Meath will rock the Dubs and the GAA to its very foundations.
Meath 2 - 14 Dublin 0 - 18
Meath leinster Champions 2019 ."
You gave the Dubs two more points than your earlier prediction on this thread. By the time the final comes around the Dubs will be up by a few. The reality of the win yesterday for the Royal might be wearing off. i.e. how good were Laois? Still ye are on an upward curve but a bit to go to get to the teams in the group below the Dubs. On the final all things considered what neutrals will be looking for is a dogfight.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1544 - 10/06/2019 21:33:25    2193225

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Im not one for long-winded overly romantic posts. I know as well as you that this isnt the 90s anymore. Its not as simple as McEntee and the lads who ive really come to admire banging their fists off tables to get ready for a battle. But what I really crave and what the country wants to see is this Dublin team under pressure. I dont know about you but Im sick and tired of watching this Dublin team saunter onto Croke Park and casually go through the motions, slowly suffocating teams without the respective opposition even firing a shot. Im sick of a lacklustre Hill 16 full of high and mighty Dubs who just stand there, full of optimism, watching their precious team win without even having to worry about what the opposition might bring to the table. Im sick of the self indulgence of the same supporters in spite of the collapse of the game nationwide. Im sick of the players winking at each other and smiling at each other because its just too easy, and no one will actually get stuck into them. Im sick of the pundits lording them with praise. I want Meath to be like the Meath of old, throw away all inhibition and get into their faces. Make them earn it. Make them sweat, make them worry. Make the hill actually have an atmosphere again. If they want their five in a row, fine but youll have to run through me first and youll have to do it a dozen times over. Thats what I want to see, not just out of Meath but everyone else. Im tired of hearing about this great Dublin team and how unbeatable they are. The movie "Rocky" comes to mind. Even against insurmountable odds there is no answer for passion and heart, and Its not about beating them or pulling off the miracle, but them having to beat you and them having to work like dogs to prove they are capable. If the final whistle goes and Dublin were shown a thing or two by their useless Leinster neighbours who by the way have nobody to blame but themselves for the state of the province and game, ill be a very proud man indeed. One can dare to dream."
i think you speak for the whole country bar one county when you say what your sick of seeing YG and indeed what we'd all like to see from Meath. I have a lot of respect for Dublin and most of their supporters too but Im sure even they will want to see a contest that goes to the wire for a change. Even if they win as you say it would be nice to see Meath going into the winter months knowing that they ran this team close and played them without fear. so that Dublin maybe get the odd butterfly in the stomach thinking about the next meeting with Meath. it would be progress and possibly a turning point. I wish Meath the best of luck. dont drop the heads until the final whistle goes. Ger Canning used to quote "you never have a Meath team beaten" the GAA need to see this return!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1746 - 10/06/2019 21:44:04    2193230

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I think Meath will give a good account themselves but they really have to believe it.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7387 - 10/06/2019 22:16:03    2193242

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Replying To realdub:  "I think Meath will give a good account themselves but they really have to believe it."
That's the key. They have to believe it themselves

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15256 - 10/06/2019 22:43:06    2193257

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Replying To royaldunne:  "How good was james Conlon yesterday?? Come on Wayne. You know more about him than any dub."
Yeah RD seen young Conlon playing yesterday, very good player but he was playing against Laois, do you think he'll be allowed run riot like that against Dublin, i know the answer to that and so do you if you're truthful!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 611 - 10/06/2019 22:45:21    2193258

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Replying To waynoI:  "
Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Why would the match be in parnell Park? Your other home ground. That's like suggesting to play it in Newbridge. A fair venue would have been portlaoise and it wouldn't have sold out. 30k wouldn't have attended but at least the venue neutral and fair.

TrueBlue35: "Agree 36,100 wasn't a great attendance considering there were four counties playing and neither game was on tv. Most people I know now will not bother heading in for Leinster games. Between having kids, the price of the day out between tickets, parking, pints or whatever then a lot of people are saving their Sundays out for the Super 8s and beyond. All of that is down to the fact that the results are never remotely in doubt and the spectacle on show just isn't worth it. I was in the Hogan Stand yesterday and you could hear the players shouting on the field which is a sign of how flat the atmosphere was. The first half was ok but the second half was like watching a training game. Jim Gavin and co can trot out the party line of respecting the opposition and enjoying the challenge but we all know Leinster games are a mere stretching of the legs for this Dublin side now. The results to date prove as much."
Never mind the players I could hear the individual fans shouting from the opposite side of the pitch. First time I've ever noticed that.

Are Dublin still playing two super 8 matches in Croker? If so I can't see you having any trouble at all getting into the all Ireland semi.

waynoI: "you aren't inconveniencing us, We will have a nice leisurely stress free day out before the real stuff begins in july."
Why would you pay €25/30 for a leisurely stress free day? Don't you live by the beach, go for a walk and save your money.

The super 8's won't trouble Dublin either and I have my doubts if your semi final or final opponent will either. There's a possibility the real stuff might not begin at all this year."
Cause I've loads of money. :)"
Do you get €6k per post on here from the Dublin PR team?

jimbodub:
"50k minimum Could peak close to 60k"

There was probably 33k at the semi finals from meath and Dublin. I'm struggling to see where another 25k paying €35 are going to come from.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2390 - 11/06/2019 00:53:32    2193299

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh I'm only yanking ur chain.
But to Meath posters on here and indeed many from other counties furlong is a legend, his knowledge of not only Meath football, but football in general is something to behold. The man is a genius. And his post certainly wasn't self indulgent. Honestly we could all learn a thing or two from furlong. Read his posts with a open mind."
Thanks Royaldunne.
I aint no legend. In Meath football terms if I was a Meath footballer I would be Mattie Mccabe or David Beggy. Odds moments of very good play. But never delivers on the big occasion. To inconsistent. I am a junior club player who somehow made it to play senior for Meath. Royaldunne u r a real proper Meath legend. You r the Mick lyons , the Jack Quinn the Darren Fay of the forum. A fearless Meath full back protecting the Meath square from one and all.

Thanks also Young Gael. For your below comments. I really enjoy ur anaylsis of Meath matchs. They are on the ball and u give great insights. If I am Mattie Mccabe , Royaldunne is Mick Lyons u young _ gael u r Donal keoghan a modern Meath great. Keep it up.

Meath v Dublin is a great rivalry was a great rivalry. But I dont think people realise how much Meath have performed miracle acts v Dublin. People expect Meath to put it up to Dublin. Its understandable there is a long history of the rivalry. But Meath overachieved by going toe to toe with Dublin for 80 odd years. Up to 2000 and the Meath rivalry begins in the 1930s to 2000s. In 2000 the Meath population was lower then Mayos . Meath was a rural county. A midlands rural county. In the last 15 years Meaths population went from 100000 to 200000. But the growth has had zero positive impact on Meath or kildare football and people on the ground will tell u its actually had very negative impact. Basically theyre Dubs who have no interest in GAA and if they r. There is no way they will allow their kids to support the county of Graham Geraghty or Colm O Rourke. And Wicklow , Antrim , limerick , Dublin ( 1996 to 2010) and kildare ( from 1930s to 1980s ) all show population doesnt gurantee sucess.

But before Meath population explosion in last 15 years Meath went toe to toe with Dublin, Dublin winning 9 All Irelands in 80 years Meath winning 7 All Irelands in the same period. But we were David they were Giolath. They are our capital , a world famous city , the centre of power in this country , the centre of economic social and cultural life in the country. Meath was a bog standard rural midlands quiet backwater. Yet this county went toe to toe with the Metropolis. While most counties in leinster have beaten Dublin 70 years ago and the rest have beaten Dublin twice in 50 years. Meath have had 9 victories and 5 draws in championship over the last 35 years . It is overachievement on grand scale. But yet Meath and Dublin for long time have been seen as equals, we are not. We are the underdog and always have been. They are the city slicker jackeens , we are the culchies the boggers.

The decline of the rivalry began in early 00s. Games in 00s were still very competitive. In 2005 and 2009 Dublin won by a couple points. There was a draw in 2007 and a brillant replay. Meath and Dublin , there was only a point or two between the teams in 00s. Then in 2010 the 5 goal hammering by Meath to the Dubs which was unique in that Meath v Dublin games are always very tight affairs. In 2012 and 2013 leinster final they were competitive games. The last time any team got close Dublin in leinster. Meath lost by 3 points in 2012 leinster final and could have nicked a draw at the end with chances. 2013 leinster final Meath were ahead at half time best team in first half and the game was in the balance until last 10 mins when Dublin ran out 7 points winners. No team has got closer to Dublin since in leinster .
In 2014 and 2016 were bad defeats for Meath.

So in this decade with Dublins greatest team Meath have reached 5 leinster finals. Other traditional strong football counties have reached 1 eg kildare and laois. Offaly have reached 0. And the only county to reach more then 1 outside Meath and Dublin is Westmeath with 2 leinster final appearances. So Meath have remained in the top 2 most sucessful teams in leinster in this decade something Meath have done for every decade since 1920s , the exception was 70s when Offaly and Dublin were in the top 2 in the provience.

Meath have played Dublin in 5 championship matchs in the decade. With 1 record defeat of Dublin by Meath. Two leinster finals that were competitive and the last time a leinster team got close are put it up to Dublin. Its only in the last two performances in this decade Dublin have hammered Meath. Again that is the best record in the provience v Dublin by any county in the decade the best record is Meath. So Dublin hammering Meath is a very recent event that happened in the last 2 games.

2014 was a shock to Meath football. It was worst defeat to Dublin in leinster final for 100 years. And did do physiological damage to Meath. If Meath were badly beaten in two weeks it wouldnt have the same negative effect. Because Dublin have hammered Kerry Mayo Donegal Tyrone every single county team since. People r expecting Meath to hammered if they are not it will be shock. And 2014 was third leinster final in a row , that team was now peaking and the results were getting worse. This current team this is a new Meath and this will be their first of 3 or 4 attempts Meath have to beat Dublin in the next 3 to 4 or 5 seasons. So a bad hammering woulsnt be nice but it wouldnt be end of the world.

Dublin r going for 4 in a row , Dublin since 2014 have gone up a level. The victories over kerry in 2013 and 2015 is when Dublin went up level. Beating kerry 3 times in 4 years in the championship meant Dublins confidence has hit the roof. And Dublin are a confidence county. Those victories meant for first time ever Dublin were beating kerry regularly in the championship. Dublin were now officially gaelic footballs number 1 county. And the fascinating thing is can they stay top dogs. Cavan in the 40s and 50s were top football county. Meath for 15 years in 80s ans 90s were the top football county. But neitheir could do what kerry have done. Keep coming generation after generation with great teams. Will Dublin do the same. When Dublin lose to kerry and Ulster team possibly Donegal in next few years how they will respond will be fascinating. Dublin have an aura now. But auras can go and quick as they come. Look at Man Utd after Ferguson or Meath after Boylan left or how kilkennys aura has disappeared. There is a great kerry team on the horizon , how will Dublin deal with that. That will be fascinating. Dublin have gone up level and will stay up level. But will they do what kerry have done stay there generation after generation. We will have to wait to see.

Anyway as I said 2014 final and 2016 semi final.were very unusual. Meath v Dublin have always been tight games. Since 1920s there has been about 50 plus Meath v Dublin championship matchs. In those 50 plus games there has only been 5 hammerings. The rest were tight affairs. Those games where Meath hammering in 2010 of Dublin and Dublins hammering of Meath in early 1980s 1995 2014 and 2016. So in the last 70 years Dublin have only hammered Meath 4 times. That is very low number seen how dominate Dublins have been in leinster. 1995 bad defeat Meath were actually ahead with 10 mins to go. 2014 and 2016 are unique in Meath and Dublin rivalry. Will two weeks time continue that thrend are will we see a return to old traditional Meath v Dublin game , a tight contest.

All year long from start of year I predicted based on evidence that Meath would be promoted, would reach leinster final , would put it up to Dublin but would lose and lose to Ulster team in backdoor probaly Tyrone and fail to reach Super 8. I said that in January. I think there is evidence to show all the above are predictable. I will show in another thrend what I mean .

In the meantime in the next week and after like thousands of my fellow county men and women I believe we can do what people will say we shouldn't or is impossible. I believe we will dethrone Dublin. Its in our dna , for us its Dublin thats all the shower over the border. Just 15 Meath men going to war with Dublin same as it ever was.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 11/06/2019 01:03:12    2193302

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The one thing McEntee has improved under Meath is the return of an old Meath trait. Meaths ability to up their game v top counties. Look at Meaths record traditionally v Dublin kerry Cork Mayo Galway Ulster teams it is excellent. Meath are Cork and Mayo bogey in the championship. Meath have beaten Dublin more then any other county. Meath have played 14 Ulster teams in All Ireland semi finals and won them all. Meath have only lost twice to Connacht teams in the championship in the last 65 years eg Galway in 1966 and 2001. Meath record v kerry at all levels is really good. Thats why we werent liked we were very sucessful v top counties.

McEntee has got this trait back. Every division 1 team the top teams in the country Meath have played in last 2 years Meath went toe to toe with. Meaths best performances have been v some best teams in the country. Meath have played 6 games v division 1 teams , a top 8 teams in last two years. 3 performances v Donegal, games v Tyrone Galway and Roscommon.

2017 Meath played Donegal. People were predicting Donegal would win by double figures. The score was level 8 times in the match. The score was level in injury time Donegal won by a point.

2017 Meath played Galway. People were predicting Galway would win very handily. The bookies were predicting 6 or 7 point win for Galway. Meath won by 2 points. Only kerry Dublin and Meath have beaten Galway in the league in last 2 years.

2018 Meath played Roscommon. Roscommon were reigning Connacht Champions. Again on this forum people were predicting a 7 or 8 point win for Roscommon. Roscommon drew the game with Meath after scoring penalty in 4th min of injury time

2018 Meath played Tyrone the All Ireland finalist. People were predicting on this forum Tyrone would win by double figures. Tyrone drew the game in the fifth minute of injurytime. Tyrone beat Meath in extra time by 1 point in contervesial circumstances.

2019 Meath played Donegal the Ulster champions. Meath lost by 2 points after being the best teams until the last 5 mins.

2019 Meath played Donegal the Ulster champions People on this forum were predicting 7 or 8 point win for Donegal. Meath were 9 up after 15 mins and 5 ahead at half time. Donegal won by two points.

So if Meath put it up to Dublin no one should be surprised. Why because this is what Meath have done to best teams in the country in last 2 years. Yes Dublin r the best team. But Meath have played excellently have gone to toe with some of the best teams in the country. Look at Meaths performances v Tyrone Galway Roscommon and the three games v Donegal. They didnt win them all but Meath were very very competitive in all games ans could have won them.all. In 6 games Meath have played v the best teams in the country in the last 2 years coming up to 70 mins Meath were either ahead or drawn with their opponents.

Will Dublin be the 7th game in row Meath have performed excellenty and went toe to toe with top division 1 opposition. If they do it shouldn't be shock to anyone. The games v Donegal and Tyrone show Meath can compete at that level. Yes Dublin are ahead of these teams. But Meath performaning so consistently well v top teams surely had to be a good sign. And remember this Meath team r in the early stages of their development. They are 2 seasons at least from reaching their peak as a collective team. Players like the McEntees , McGill , lavin , Sullivan and McMahon have improved each year theres no reason why this wouldn't continue . A core of these Meath footballers will peak in the next 12 to 24 months. Also by chance up 7 or 8 Meath panelist will return next year from college , injury , working and travelling abroad. Players that will return next year are Donal lenihan, Ronan Jones , Alan Forde , Niall Kane , Ruari O Coilean, Joey Wallace , Eamon Wallace and Paddy Kennelly.

While there will be new talent coming through some of the best young forward talent Meath have produced in years. James Conlon is the first of wave of new talent coming through Meath. I can see 4 to 5 of current Under 20 panel called up to seniors next year. James Conlon Dara Campion and Ronan Ryan have been excellent this year. Players on thiems years under 20s like Aaron Lynch , Matthew Costello , Luke Mitchell, Cian McBride are all players with real potential.

But a player to look out for soon who is going to be called up after leinster final after he finished his leaving cert is Shane Walsh. A player from last years under 20 team who is still 19 I would rate higher then the excellent James Conlon. Young Walsh is 19 and is the best full forward in Meath club football. A player Meath r crying out for. A target man with great athleticism and power and skill a finisher as well.as a target man. Dont be surprised if Meath reach super 8 after he finishs his leaving he plays in the Super 8 for Meath.

So when Meath play div 1 it will be from a position of strenght . Players peaking, up to 8 panelist returning and new talent coming thru we have not seen in years. Dont be surprised if Meath stay in div 1. If they don't I wouldn't be very surprised if Meath go down they will go back up next year again to div 1. Just like Cavan and Roscommon did. I expect Meath to be at least 2 of next 3 years in division 1. Even relegation next spring Meath should be promoted again in 2021 to div 1. The age profile of this Meath teams indicates in 2021 2022 this Meath team will be at their strongest. This Meath team are 12 to 24 months from their peak.

Meath and kildare are putting in great work at underage. Both will be stronger in this decade then the last. It all depends how long but stay in divsion 1. Why did Cavan reach Ulster final this year , a spring in div 1. Why did Roscommon beat Mayo , a spring in div 1. Why did Kildare beat Mayo a spring in div 1. If a team spends a few years in div 1 progress will accelerate. look at Monaghan Donegal and Galway what div 1 football has done to all 3.

Look at few stats to show Meath progress this year.
1 Meath are promoted to div 1 for first time in 13 years.
2 Meath reach leinster final for first time in 5 years.
3 Meath win 3 championship matchs in a row in leinster for first time since 2010.
4 Meath victories over Carlow in the quater final by 15 points and 11 points v laois is the highest aggregate score Meath have scored in leinster semi final and quater final together in 24 years. The last time Meath had such winning margins was in 1994 when Meath defeated Longford and Wicklow by 29 points together .
5 Meath 11 point victory over laois is Meaths biggest victory in a leinster semi final in 24 years.

So Meath didnt play brillianty v Carlow and laois and yet won 15 ponts and 11 points. Meath if they player poorly v Laois or Carlow in last 5 years they wouldnt have won. Now they play solid good performances and beat both counties by double figures and could have won by much more. These are all postiive signs for Meath.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 11/06/2019 03:01:03    2193304

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I think this will be the biggest test Dublin have had in Leinster in years. Should be a great atmosphere and meath supporters will believe they can cause a huge shock. I still think Dublin by 5 or 6 points but meath will give it everything.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 552 - 11/06/2019 03:57:53    2193309

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "The one thing McEntee has improved under Meath is the return of an old Meath trait. Meaths ability to up their game v top counties. Look at Meaths record traditionally v Dublin kerry Cork Mayo Galway Ulster teams it is excellent. Meath are Cork and Mayo bogey in the championship. Meath have beaten Dublin more then any other county. Meath have played 14 Ulster teams in All Ireland semi finals and won them all. Meath have only lost twice to Connacht teams in the championship in the last 65 years eg Galway in 1966 and 2001. Meath record v kerry at all levels is really good. Thats why we werent liked we were very sucessful v top counties.

McEntee has got this trait back. Every division 1 team the top teams in the country Meath have played in last 2 years Meath went toe to toe with. Meaths best performances have been v some best teams in the country. Meath have played 6 games v division 1 teams , a top 8 teams in last two years. 3 performances v Donegal, games v Tyrone Galway and Roscommon.

2017 Meath played Donegal. People were predicting Donegal would win by double figures. The score was level 8 times in the match. The score was level in injury time Donegal won by a point.

2017 Meath played Galway. People were predicting Galway would win very handily. The bookies were predicting 6 or 7 point win for Galway. Meath won by 2 points. Only kerry Dublin and Meath have beaten Galway in the league in last 2 years.

2018 Meath played Roscommon. Roscommon were reigning Connacht Champions. Again on this forum people were predicting a 7 or 8 point win for Roscommon. Roscommon drew the game with Meath after scoring penalty in 4th min of injury time

2018 Meath played Tyrone the All Ireland finalist. People were predicting on this forum Tyrone would win by double figures. Tyrone drew the game in the fifth minute of injurytime. Tyrone beat Meath in extra time by 1 point in contervesial circumstances.

2019 Meath played Donegal the Ulster champions. Meath lost by 2 points after being the best teams until the last 5 mins.

2019 Meath played Donegal the Ulster champions People on this forum were predicting 7 or 8 point win for Donegal. Meath were 9 up after 15 mins and 5 ahead at half time. Donegal won by two points.

So if Meath put it up to Dublin no one should be surprised. Why because this is what Meath have done to best teams in the country in last 2 years. Yes Dublin r the best team. But Meath have played excellently have gone to toe with some of the best teams in the country. Look at Meaths performances v Tyrone Galway Roscommon and the three games v Donegal. They didnt win them all but Meath were very very competitive in all games ans could have won them.all. In 6 games Meath have played v the best teams in the country in the last 2 years coming up to 70 mins Meath were either ahead or drawn with their opponents.

Will Dublin be the 7th game in row Meath have performed excellenty and went toe to toe with top division 1 opposition. If they do it shouldn't be shock to anyone. The games v Donegal and Tyrone show Meath can compete at that level. Yes Dublin are ahead of these teams. But Meath performaning so consistently well v top teams surely had to be a good sign. And remember this Meath team r in the early stages of their development. They are 2 seasons at least from reaching their peak as a collective team. Players like the McEntees , McGill , lavin , Sullivan and McMahon have improved each year theres no reason why this wouldn't continue . A core of these Meath footballers will peak in the next 12 to 24 months. Also by chance up 7 or 8 Meath panelist will return next year from college , injury , working and travelling abroad. Players that will return next year are Donal lenihan, Ronan Jones , Alan Forde , Niall Kane , Ruari O Coilean, Joey Wallace , Eamon Wallace and Paddy Kennelly.

While there will be new talent coming through some of the best young forward talent Meath have produced in years. James Conlon is the first of wave of new talent coming through Meath. I can see 4 to 5 of current Under 20 panel called up to seniors next year. James Conlon Dara Campion and Ronan Ryan have been excellent this year. Players on thiems years under 20s like Aaron Lynch , Matthew Costello , Luke Mitchell, Cian McBride are all players with real potential.

But a player to look out for soon who is going to be called up after leinster final after he finished his leaving cert is Shane Walsh. A player from last years under 20 team who is still 19 I would rate higher then the excellent James Conlon. Young Walsh is 19 and is the best full forward in Meath club football. A player Meath r crying out for. A target man with great athleticism and power and skill a finisher as well.as a target man. Dont be surprised if Meath reach super 8 after he finishs his leaving he plays in the Super 8 for Meath.

So when Meath play div 1 it will be from a position of strenght . Players peaking, up to 8 panelist returning and new talent coming thru we have not seen in years. Dont be surprised if Meath stay in div 1. If they don't I wouldn't be very surprised if Meath go down they will go back up next year again to div 1. Just like Cavan and Roscommon did. I expect Meath to be at least 2 of next 3 years in division 1. Even relegation next spring Meath should be promoted again in 2021 to div 1. The age profile of this Meath teams indicates in 2021 2022 this Meath team will be at their strongest. This Meath team are 12 to 24 months from their peak.

Meath and kildare are putting in great work at underage. Both will be stronger in this decade then the last. It all depends how long but stay in divsion 1. Why did Cavan reach Ulster final this year , a spring in div 1. Why did Roscommon beat Mayo , a spring in div 1. Why did Kildare beat Mayo a spring in div 1. If a team spends a few years in div 1 progress will accelerate. look at Monaghan Donegal and Galway what div 1 football has done to all 3.

Look at few stats to show Meath progress this year.
1 Meath are promoted to div 1 for first time in 13 years.
2 Meath reach leinster final for first time in 5 years.
3 Meath win 3 championship matchs in a row in leinster for first time since 2010.
4 Meath victories over Carlow in the quater final by 15 points and 11 points v laois is the highest aggregate score Meath have scored in leinster semi final and quater final together in 24 years. The last time Meath had such winning margins was in 1994 when Meath defeated Longford and Wicklow by 29 points together .
5 Meath 11 point victory over laois is Meaths biggest victory in a leinster semi final in 24 years.

So Meath didnt play brillianty v Carlow and laois and yet won 15 ponts and 11 points. Meath if they player poorly v Laois or Carlow in last 5 years they wouldnt have won. Now they play solid good performances and beat both counties by double figures and could have won by much more. These are all postiive signs for Meath."
Good post, but I have to pull you up on point number 5 there, it's not our biggest Leinster semi win in 24 years, what about 2010 = Meath 5-9, Dublin 0-13 that was also 11 points :-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8116 - 11/06/2019 08:39:50    2193327

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For the sake of Leinster football I really hope Meath make a game of this.....but for all the talk of an 11 point win over Laois, Laois had 4 very good goal chances at different points in the game. If Meath don't tighten up dramatically Dublin will create far more than 4 & certainly won't miss them all.
Young Conlon does look like a cracking little player it has to be said.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 539 - 11/06/2019 10:21:09    2193371

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Replying To KildareKelly:  "For the sake of Leinster football I really hope Meath make a game of this.....but for all the talk of an 11 point win over Laois, Laois had 4 very good goal chances at different points in the game. If Meath don't tighten up dramatically Dublin will create far more than 4 & certainly won't miss them all.
Young Conlon does look like a cracking little player it has to be said."
Agreed. If Dublin cut us open the way Laois were in the second half they will score 10 goals

Meath10 (Meath) - Posts: 82 - 11/06/2019 11:34:51    2193415

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Replying To Htaem:  "Good post, but I have to pull you up on point number 5 there, it's not our biggest Leinster semi win in 24 years, what about 2010 = Meath 5-9, Dublin 0-13 that was also 11 points :-)"
Thanks for the comments Htaem.
Thanks for clarifying that. I have been years thinking we won by 10 points in 2010 now I know we won by 11 points. Another point to beat them by Happy days. My maths was never the best.

So our 11 point victory over laois on Sunday and our 11 point victory over Dublin in 2010 is our biggest winning margin in a leinster semi final in 25 years since we defeated Wicklow by 13 points in 1994.

The 15 point win in quater final over Carlow and 11 point win over Loais in the semi final is the biggest aggregate score we have won by in quater final.and semi final in 25 years. The top winning margins r below

1 1994 We beat Longford by 19 point in q final.and Wicklow by 13 points in semis. Aggregate score 29 points
2 2019 We beat Carlow by 15 points in q final and Laois by 11 points in semis . Aggregate score 26 points
3 1996 We beat Carlow by 18 points in q final and laois by 6 points in semis. Aggregate score 24 points
4 2010 We beat Loais by 10 points in q final and Dublin by 11 points in semis. Aggravate score 21 points.

We havent being winning leinster semi finals and quater finals by these margins since 90s. And every time we were winning semi finals and quater final by such margins we win a title.

1 1994 29 points. We won div league 1 title
2 2019 26 points. We won leinster title.
3 1996 24 points. We won leinster and All Ireland titles
4 2010 21 points . We won leinster title.

Ok I am sure people have seen I have predicted we will.win leinster . Time will tell. But the point is here in the last two decades we were not winning leinster q finals and semi finals by such margins. If we played Offaly any other year since Boylan left we would have lost. If played carlow any other year in last 5 years Carlow game would have been a close game. And if we played laois anytime in last 5 years laois performance on Sunday would have beaten us. We are winning leinster semi finals and quater final by double figure wining margins. And yet did not play brillantly.

Carlow were tricky opposition because of what they did last year to kildare and defensive system. Loais we had to be wary of coz of they have had two great seasons two promotions in a row were leinster finalists and are Meaths bogey team. But in both games in words of Surgrue laois manager there was gap in both teams at what level they are at. Carlow have been a huge sucess story in leinster in last 2 years and laois have really improved and are going in the right direction . They will only get better. But u could see on Sunday when Meath went up the gears on Sunday there was a gap. Laois tried very hard but for Meath it was a little easier. Thats the sign of a team.that are most improved team in the country in last 12 nonths.

Meath were 15th or 16th best team in the country 12 months. Now they are 8th or 9 best team. Meath were behind kildare Armagh this time last year. Now Meath are ahead of both counties. Meath were much better team then Armagh or kildare when teams played in the league. Meath are now at the level of a Cavan or Roscommon other provicial finalist the teams from 8 to 10th in the country. Cavan are 8th Roscommon 9th Meath 10th. With little between the counties.

The leinster championship has been excellent for Meath so far. We got the kick up the backside from Offaly won other matchs well but with work to do. Meath are at a level now where they dont need to throw kitchen sink at carlow or Loais to win. In last 5 years Carlow and laois would have beaten Meath. This year Meath need to throw the kitchen sink at Dublin. McEntee needs Meath to peak for Dublin game. The run tbrough leinster has been perfect run before Dublin. 3 Confidence wins in a row improving every game after Offaly.

Again people are following into the same trap look at laois look at Offaly. What about two games v Donegal the Ulster champions and the game v All Ireland finalist Tyrone in last 12 months. If u just focus on laois performance and ignore the two Donegal games and Tyrone game ur not seen full picture. In the Tyrone game last year Meath played with real passion and intensity and also v Donegal in 2017 and v kildare in the league. So far Meaths intensity levels in 3 games in leinster have lacking such intensity. In the first game v Donegal in league final and for 65 mins in Ballybofey v Donegal in last few months Meath played top class quality div 1 football v best team in Ulster and one of 5 or 6 teams in the country. So far there has been moments but overall Meath have not displayed the quality of football we saw v Donegal twive in the league , in the 3 games in leinster. I really hope I am not degrading three counties. As I said all three of those counties would have beaten Meath in last 5 years. But Meaths progress in last 12 months has been sesimic.

The season is not over and this is already Meaths best season since 2010 , one of best seasons since Boylan left and in the top 4 season we have had since 2001..We have had great wins since we last won Sam. We are the only county in Ireland along with Cork to beat Great kerry and Tyrone of 00s and great Dublin team of this decade in the championship. We have beaten kerry Dublin Tyrone Mayo Galway in championship since we last we won Sam. Performances v Tyrone in 07 and Dublin in 10 were excellent. But our biggest problem has been inconsistency. It has been a massive problem since 2001..Inconsistency. A massive problem. This year we have been so consistent. We are winning games after games. We havent done this since 90s.

We have won 9 competitive games this year. This is the most competitive games we have won in a season since 2007 when we won 10 competitive when we drew with Dublin beat great Tyrone team. Win 2 games in this years championship and this will be have our most competitive wins in 1 season since we won Sam twenty years ago in 1999.

McEntee is improving Meath. And it is obvious with div 1 football next spring, 8 panelist potentially returning next spring , more forward young talent similar if not better then young Conlon coming thru next year and the year after. Meath players peaking next year and the year after. Potential at least 2 of next three years in div 1 , even if Meath r relegated. We will have great chance of promotion again. The signs r Meath are going to keep improving over the next 2 to 3 years. The signs are very obvious. In my water I just feel we will put it up to Dublin in leinster final if we dont its not a massive blow. Everyone expect us to be hammered. And I am going all the way in and I have no real evidence to suggest this But I expecting we will.win. Because they are Dublin and we r Meath. And im not giving in til the final whistle is blowing. Why shouldnt I not believe in my county. It not against the law to not believe in your own county.

And the performances v Tyrone three games v Donegal Galway and Roscommon in last 2 years show Meath up their games v top counties. Before everyone of those big performances by Meath against top div 1 teams. The games beforehand Meath were not great.

1 In 2017 before we played Donrgal we played Sligo and played poorly webeat Sligo. The next game we upped our game v Donegal and were very good.
2 In 2017 before we defeated Galway the game beforehand we were very poor. Before we defeated Galway we lost to Down their first competitive win in I think 9 games. The next game Galway were raging hot favourites. We won . We upped our game v top 8 team.
3 In 2018 we lost to longford after poor performance. The following game v All Ireland finalist Tyrone we upped our game and were very unlucky not to win
4 In 2019 we stuttered v Tippearey to victory. A solid win v Tipp. The next game we were brillant v Donegal as we upped game v Ulster champions in Ballybofey and were so close to been first team to beat Donegal in the league since 2010 in Ballybofey.
5 In 2019 in our last game v Fermanagh we mixed the good with the bad. We were not brillant. Again in the next game v Ulster champions in the final we upped our game and led til 65 min after dominating the first half.

So a thrend has developed. Meath prior to meet div 1 team a top 8 best teams in the country play poorly or not great. Meath are underdogs v the top team in the next game. Meath upp their game in the next game v top division 1 opposition. Now I know Dublin are better then Donegal or Tyrone. But the fact there is thrend. So the question will be in two weeks time v Dublin will it be the 7th game in row Meath have upped their performance and went toe with toe top 8 div 1 team one of best teams in the country in last 2 years. If Meath put it up to Dublin and come closest to Dublin in years in leinster this shouldn't be a shock why Meaths performances v Donegal 3 times Tyrone Galway and Roscommon in last 2 years have shown McEntee is able to motivate the Meath player to up their performance when playing the top teams.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 11/06/2019 13:18:19    2193479

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Hoping for a good game to be honest. Meath seem to be able to create plenty of goal scoring chances and that could hurt Dublin. I think they will have to watch their aggression somewhat, all well and good getting in Dublins faces, but the game has changed a lot and Dublin could gobble up frees all day if they are given away in the wrong places. Dublin are also a very experienced team, they are used to every game a team trying to put it up to them its water fo a ducks back really, not to mention we have a few of the biggest hitters ourselves.

The smart money is on a John Small red card here.

Its a free hit for both counties really and despite the result both would be confident of making the S8's, be great craic going into the Kerrys group and heading down to Killarney for the first game. So im open minded about the game itself, great chance for meath to put their flag on the map again.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2331 - 11/06/2019 13:47:16    2193490

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Replying To dave1988:  "I think this will be the biggest test Dublin have had in Leinster in years. Should be a great atmosphere and meath supporters will believe they can cause a huge shock. I still think Dublin by 5 or 6 points but meath will give it everything."
Id be very disappointed if we only won by 5-6 points, anything between 10 - 15 points at least would be more like it, i think the meath fans are getting a bit carried away by the win over LAOIS! Having said that i suppose you have to believe otherwise what's the point in following your team? I don't mean to be derogatory to meath but they're miles behind Dublin in every aspect of the game and i think they'll be in for a rude awakening on Leinster final day!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 611 - 11/06/2019 13:50:59    2193495

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It will be a big ask for Meath to win this one. This is despite the fact that by all accounts the Meath team preparation has improved hugely. The reason is Dublin are so good. Last year they won the All Ireland almost without breaking sweat. In reality there is probably only 3 teams who, on a good day have might have some chance of beating Dublin (3 might be optimistic, I'm including Mayo due to the fact that they always seem to do well in one off games against Dublin but they now may be past their best). I do find it funny seeing some on here almost laughing at the Leinster championship as if teams outside Leinster have been really sticking it to Dublin. The truth is Meath are about the 8'best team in the country. Most teams around this standard would not have any better chance against Dublin than Meath so that covers the vast majority of inter county teams. The reality is put Dublin into any other provience and they would dominate and put up huge scores in many games like they do in Leinster. I think for all the people putting down the Leinster championship Leinster will end up having 2 teams in the last 8 (Dublin and either Meath or Kildare).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 11/06/2019 14:15:13    2193506

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the best meath will do is a 10 point defeat, realistically it will be 15+, dublin to bang in 3-4 goals here!! the sooner the leinster championship is ended the better

dec (None) - Posts: 208 - 11/06/2019 14:19:02    2193507

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "It will be a big ask for Meath to win this one. This is despite the fact that by all accounts the Meath team preparation has improved hugely. The reason is Dublin are so good. Last year they won the All Ireland almost without breaking sweat. In reality there is probably only 3 teams who, on a good day have might have some chance of beating Dublin (3 might be optimistic, I'm including Mayo due to the fact that they always seem to do well in one off games against Dublin but they now may be past their best). I do find it funny seeing some on here almost laughing at the Leinster championship as if teams outside Leinster have been really sticking it to Dublin. The truth is Meath are about the 8'best team in the country. Most teams around this standard would not have any better chance against Dublin than Meath so that covers the vast majority of inter county teams. The reality is put Dublin into any other provience and they would dominate and put up huge scores in many games like they do in Leinster. I think for all the people putting down the Leinster championship Leinster will end up having 2 teams in the last 8 (Dublin and either Meath or Kildare)."
Their prep has improved because they brought in a new coach at the start of the year.

Chubby (Louth) - Posts: 52 - 11/06/2019 15:12:16    2193529

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Replying To Chubby:  "Their prep has improved because they brought in a new coach at the start of the year."
Heard that, Colm Bally the Louth man is supposed to be very good coach. Overall preparation has been improved since McEntee came in, also I have heard Meath are susposed to be raising more money so can afford to prepare the team better than before.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 11/06/2019 15:28:10    2193538

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