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Oh I've no beef with O Keefe, not do I won't dumb down his achievements, I'm sure he had a brilliant career in context, nor am I critising him or your opinion, I don't share it or the reasons you brilliantly describe. Nor am I hear to defend Cluxton I think his record speaks for itself in a modern context, and I believe if you have to argue about being great. Your probably not. I was just pointing out that these debates are ultimately flawed given different contexts, that everyone will have a subjective opinion on. Personally speaking I've my own mind made up and I'm pretty concrete on it! I'm not to worried about being right or wrong on it or worry to much if it's nationally accepted. Everyone will have a different opinion, it's impossible to prove because of different contexts, adversity stats and numbers throughout the history of the game and we could have 3000 different top tens, from every poster on here. Your posts are great to read as always though. There are probably some brilliant goalkeepers that never won an All Ireland, but many and probably form their own county would believe they are in with a shout in any conversation. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/06/2019 19:12:36 2191260 Link 6 |
I do enjoy top ten greatest lists from everything to top ten greateat guitarist to top ten sportsmen. I do believe u can compare and can say one player from era from another is greater to another. Its very common to do in all sports. It very hard to be definate. People will have different opionions. But if u ask who is greatest hurler certain names will keep coming up come up eg Ring Mackey Meagher Shefflin Doyle Keher . Iike if u ask who is greatest hurler Christy Ring will be most common answer yet most people never saw him play and there is little or any footage of him in his pomp. It will be always asked who is best out half in rugby , who is best quater back in.American football. I do think u can compare and contrast . Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 06/06/2019 20:33:49 2191275 Link 6 |
And winning 7 All-Irelands isn't one? Do you actually read the things you post?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 06/06/2019 20:41:32 2191280 Link 2 |
Might as well get in a few more dublin appreciation threads in while ye are at it. Fenton will be next when he runs the most miles in a match or Kilkenny with the record hand passes in a game. Dublin have enough to be happy about going for 5 in a row, no need for nonsense threads like this. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 06/06/2019 22:14:13 2191313 Link 3 |
Ah I wasn't having a go a chara, nor having a go at O Keefe or proclaiming Cluxton the greatest, I'm not top of the pops down the South West at the mo! ;) Just that stat caught my eye and my thinking just spiraled, you know I enjoy your posts and you can tell I read thouraghly the fact I picked up on it. Greatness is an interesting concept but a subjective one. It might mean medals won, it might be longevity, it might mean adversity it's a very individual thing. But I'd be a big advocate of having the courage of your own opinion and conviction around it. Stephen could win his 7th this year and that wouldn't mean he is great in my eyes. Why I think he is great is he emerged from 30 and more men, in the last minutes of All Ireland final, having never won an All Ireland, playing for a county that hadn't won one in 16 years, playing a team they hadn't beaten in the championship for decades, who were debatably one of the best teams of that era. You either stand up and be great or you fail. It takes greatness to execute that skill, under huge pressure as any player never mind a keeper. I consider Joe Canning a great player, he missed the carbon copy of that free in the hurling final last year. Cilian O Connor has done it a few times. Great players produce the greatest moments on the greatest occasions. He's gone since we know to do so much more, but that marked him for me. Of course there are other great keepers, I think Beggen has taken it on a bit he's mastered Cluxtons skill but has added distance and power. But will probably never win the All Ireland no offense. Brody is excellent to. Historically and this won't be popular amount my county men, I didn't really rate Paddy Cullen a good shot stopper on occasion, but was always shaky for me, right place at the right time. John O Leary was a good keeper, for me he regressed as he got older and stayed on to try and live the dream for to long. Don't get me wrong I've huge respect for both, but both were no where near Cluxtons class or diverse skill set, something he's worked hard on. I rate young Comerford coming through highly, I think we will have a very skillful almost like for like replacement Stephen, something he will grow into and when he gets his fling we will need to be patient. If we do one thing we'll its longevity of keepers. Ha funny you should say Top 10 guitarists I went to see Mark Knoffner a few weeks back, he was at his peak before my time. But wow that man can make a guitar sing, I've seen some great ones live but he's hard bet. You going to make Croker at the weekend a Chara? TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/06/2019 22:53:54 2191322 Link 3 |
Bizarre reply! Yes everyone knows Cluxton because he gets to the later stages of the championship since he made his debut. You hardly expect Brody, 12 years his junior, who made his first Leinster final to be as well known? Stephen Cluxton is probably the most vital cog in a great team but that doesn't make him the GOAT. And to the poster who opened the thread, if we didn't have about 10 Stephen Cluxton appreciation threads per year, he might have received a lot more kudos on here for reaching 100 championship appearances. It's like donor fatigue. Many are sick to the teeth of Dubs starting threads about him. Then the old adage self praise is no praise comes to mind too. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 06/06/2019 23:13:49 2191328 Link 1 |
I am delighted for Steven Cluxton and will watch him come out for 100th championship appearance. It is an outstanding achievement. It reflects his character as much as his footballing skills. GormlaighG (Mayo) - Posts: 77 - 07/06/2019 00:10:52 2191337 Link 4 |
There's nothing nonsensical about highlighting a player making 100 championship appearances in a positive manner. What's nonsensical is to get upset by it. Take from that what you will and best of luck to Stephen with his performance. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 08:29:14 2191354 Link 6 |
I'd love to know what the four Dubs who disliked this comment disagree with?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/06/2019 09:15:37 2191357 Link 0 |
Well in my case I red thumbed you as you are clearly not a new poster. I don't speak for my fellow Dublin posters seeing as you seem so sure all who disagree with you are Dubs. Try not to get too worked up over red thumbs though. Depending on where your from determines how many likes or dislikes you get. Watch how many I get! Its gas :)
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 07/06/2019 11:33:53 2191397 Link 8 |
Great achievement and congratulations to him. I don't know what his number will be when he retires but his record will probably stand for a long time. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/06/2019 12:18:18 2191412 Link 7 |
Bizarre reply!!!!!!!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 07/06/2019 13:38:39 2191439 Link 0 |
Stephen Cluxton has to be the greatest. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 07/06/2019 15:08:43 2191473 Link 3 |
Dubs outnumber other counties on here by a big margin. The poster is correct.
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 07/06/2019 16:16:02 2191495 Link 2 |
Correct about what?
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 07/06/2019 17:04:12 2191504 Link 8 |
You reply to a dublin poster and you get lots of red thumbs, obviously from Dublin posters. To say he isn't a new poster is still avoiding his question btw. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 07/06/2019 17:30:47 2191511 Link 2 |
Yet you have 3 Kerry men on top of the green thumbs list by a considerable distance ??? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/06/2019 21:08:59 2191552 Link 5 |
Never claimed to be a new poster? What does that have to do with anything? I posted saying i was a poster and why i stopped. Does't really take a genius to figure out it was Dublin posters really. Could actually almost guess who they are also. As someone else has said why no answer to the actual question? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 07/06/2019 21:17:11 2191557 Link 1 |
I'm not the OP you posed the question to. I told you why I red thumbed you. No biggie. When certain posters make up new accounts its fairly obvious and one can almost guess who you are:)
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 07/06/2019 22:22:00 2191574 Link 8 |
I was hoping someone would put a rational theory forward as to why he should be considered the greatest. And now you have. Thank God for that.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 07/06/2019 23:21:45 2191586 Link 0 |