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No Live TV Coverage For Round 1 Qualifiers

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Replying To neverright:  "'Prestige' and complete lack of media coverage don't seem to sit well together lockjaw.
Whammo wants to give players 'a reason to train' which is interesting since most players have indicated that they have no interest in a second (or third) tier competition. Counties might have to rely on Junior D players so, who knows, Whammo might hit the 'big time' yet."
The reason to train is matches at the right time of year.

Opportunities to test themselves.

How often do you hear of lower tier players say this is our All Ireland at the end of the season.

If you're drawing up goals for a season how do you do that for that for the All Ireland or any knockout based competition.

Look at Fermanagh this year, they could have said let's aim for the super 8s as a mark of success for the season. They've drawn Donegal in Ulster and Monaghan in round 1 of the qualifiers. Is their season a failure as a result? Who knows they're not expected to beat those teams, they need to test themselves at their level. Show that they have made real progress.

Having a league based tournament does that.

Get guys playing a good program of games.

The Provincials should stay but they should be early and get to a league based competition. Get guys playing when they should be playing.

The football could prove to be better with defensive football less effective in good weather and with teams matched closer to their level they might go for it more.

It's perverse the GAA's fascination with having the primary competition as a knockout competition.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 29/05/2019 19:02:58    2188939

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Replying To neverright:  "'Prestige' and complete lack of media coverage don't seem to sit well together lockjaw.
Whammo wants to give players 'a reason to train' which is interesting since most players have indicated that they have no interest in a second (or third) tier competition. Counties might have to rely on Junior D players so, who knows, Whammo might hit the 'big time' yet."
A reason to train isn't a knockout cup competition that no one gives an arse about winning by the way.

A reason to train is a proper well scheduled program of games at the right time of year.

A very simple solution would see no NFL 3 tiered All Ireland.

Start March and April with Provincial championship.

12 teams to championship 1, 10 to championship 2, 10 to championship 3. Played May to August.

They play a single round robin in each tier moving on to playoffs.

Championship 1 in a season is made of 4 Provincial champions, 6 next best rated from the previous season's Championship 1 and previous season's championship 2 finalists.

Every team is getting a minimum of 9 games at their level at the best time of the year.

It's moving the NFL to the summer with a little tweak to give Provincial champions a shot at the All Ireland and I think 12 in the top division is more inclusive without reducing the quality.

May to August is 17 weeks. 11 rounds can be played with 3 defined club weekends in each code ear marked at the start of the season.

The idea is to get people playing games and as many quality games as possible at the right time of the year.

That's more important than tv coverage.

Getting the worst 12 teams together to play a competition with nothing at stake is a waste of time.

A place in a knockout All Ireland isn't much of a reward of the tier 1 competition itself is rubbish.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 29/05/2019 19:18:59    2188941

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The focus is the wrong way around.

It shouldn't be how do we make an interesting tier 2 championship.

It should be let's make the best tier 1 championship and then the tier 2 championship gets important because there's entry available to a tier 1 championship worth playing in.

The big problem is that the tier 1 championship right now is rubbish.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 29/05/2019 19:22:29    2188943

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If the existing teams played attacking football instead of all this 13/14 men behind the ball and handpassing us all to sleep over the past ten years we wouldn't be where we are .
People have stopped watching Gaelic football until the final few matchs due to so many games borefests . Hard to blame RTÉ not wanting to show them with so few tuning in .

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 672 - 29/05/2019 19:29:09    2188947

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Replying To neverright:  "'Prestige' and complete lack of media coverage don't seem to sit well together lockjaw.
Whammo wants to give players 'a reason to train' which is interesting since most players have indicated that they have no interest in a second (or third) tier competition. Counties might have to rely on Junior D players so, who knows, Whammo might hit the 'big time' yet."
http://hoganstand.com/Laois/Article/Index/299544

The players are telling us what they want. Games at the right time of the year.

There's no mention of tv here.

Just get players playing and training for a worthwhile well scheduled competition.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 29/05/2019 19:44:21    2188951

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Replying To Whammo86:  "http://hoganstand.com/Laois/Article/Index/299544

The players are telling us what they want. Games at the right time of the year.

There's no mention of tv here.

Just get players playing and training for a worthwhile well scheduled competition."
Ah here Whammo! He doesn't mention beer or Taytos. Does that mean he doesn't like either of them too?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 30/05/2019 06:51:56    2188996

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Replying To cavanman47:  "What was funniest about the talk of the Tier 2 All-Ireland, John Horan is talking about striking when the iron is hot and trying to push this through while there's a supposed appetite out there for a 2nd tier. . .

So what he is basically saying is - "Let's get this through congress now, because in a year or 2 everyone will realize it's a stupid idea""
John horan is only interested in Dublin and feck the rest, brush them under the carpet.

He has to be the worst GAA president ever.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 30/05/2019 10:25:48    2189031

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Ah here Whammo! He doesn't mention beer or Taytos. Does that mean he doesn't like either of them too?"
It shows his priorities which isn't what gets reflected on here.

It seems to me that most want to sort out a media strategy first and then the competition.

That approach sounds like polishing a turd to me.

Sort out the competition first as something people value.

The Tommy Murphy Cup wasn't. The National Leagues are. That's the direction it should go in.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 30/05/2019 11:07:03    2189042

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I see your point Lockjaw but you can tart it up all you want, quality wise, it will be of a lower standard.

I wouldn't plan my weekend around Waterford vs Clare if it was on TV. You can let off fireworks, advertise ad call it the Peter Canavan Cup, I still wont be overly excited. I think attendance's will reflect that as well. If people don't attend games or watch on TV its on the road to nowhere. Like the Tommy Murphy cup.

John Horan can talk all he wants about a second tier but I cant see an old school GAA man like that getting rid of the provincials. They will crunch the numbers and realise that 20 people will turn up and it will be a massive waste of money, die a death after a few years, and he will turn around and say "I tried but no supporters showed up."

They will come up with some kind hybrid, keeping the money making provincials and creating a bullshit tier 2 all Ireland where players and fans wont be bothered."
But Fridge, are many people going to these games anyway as it is?
I'm not saying that all games be shown live. I'm not sure who else suggested it but maybe Saturday can be designated the Peter Canavan Cup day. The best two games on paper get live coverage, Sky at 5, RTE at 7. The other games then get proper highlights on Sunday Game.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9132 - 30/05/2019 11:09:46    2189045

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