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Replying To greatpoint: "Just had a look at Tyrone (2018, 2017) and Donegal's (2018, 2016) last two championship games against Dublin in Croke Park to see how they fared respectively. Interestingly Tyrone's average losing margin is nearly double that of Donegal's: 9 points compared to 5." Well that just proves that you can use just about any set of results you want to come up with your chosen narrative. What has Tyrone/Donegals record of playing Dublin got to do with this match? Surely if you want to come up with stats for this game it would be better to use head to head results from the last 2-3 times these teams faced each other? Or would that not suit your agenda? Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 03/06/2019 15:05:32 2190196 Link
Replying To Wally: "Well that just proves that you can use just about any set of results you want to come up with your chosen narrative. What has Tyrone/Donegals record of playing Dublin got to do with this match? Surely if you want to come up with stats for this game it would be better to use head to head results from the last 2-3 times these teams faced each other? Or would that not suit your agenda?" No narrative here Wally, just a direct comparison of Donegal and Tyrone's respective results against Dublin. Given that Tyrone have been discussed by many as a challenger to Dublin for a number of years now I find it worth noting that Donegal (at a time when they haven't been considered a challenger) have been considerably closer to Dublin on the scoreboard. I feel that even if Tyrone win on the weekend and go on to win Ulster, they will more than likely again struggle against decent non-Ulster opposition in Croke Park. With the narrative and agenda talk you almost come across a bit paranoid. greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 03/06/2019 16:14:34 2190225 Link
Replying To greatpoint: "No narrative here Wally, just a direct comparison of Donegal and Tyrone's respective results against Dublin. Given that Tyrone have been discussed by many as a challenger to Dublin for a number of years now I find it worth noting that Donegal (at a time when they haven't been considered a challenger) have been considerably closer to Dublin on the scoreboard. I feel that even if Tyrone win on the weekend and go on to win Ulster, they will more than likely again struggle against decent non-Ulster opposition in Croke Park. With the narrative and agenda talk you almost come across a bit paranoid." Well you didn't really answer my question at all did you. Regardless of what happens further down the line this is an Ulster semi final between Tyrone and Donegal so surely that should be were your assessment should start. Why don't you come back with a few wee stats on the last 3 championship games between these sides? If success is now only based on how a team fairs against Dublin then we are all on to a loser seeing as they are unbeaten in championship football over the past 5 years. I have no doubt we will get a chance to play these other big non-Ulster sides further down the road. A luxury which will not be afforded to other less successful but more opinionated posters on here. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 03/06/2019 16:51:51 2190236 Link
Replying To Wally: "Well you didn't really answer my question at all did you. Regardless of what happens further down the line this is an Ulster semi final between Tyrone and Donegal so surely that should be were your assessment should start. Why don't you come back with a few wee stats on the last 3 championship games between these sides? If success is now only based on how a team fairs against Dublin then we are all on to a loser seeing as they are unbeaten in championship football over the past 5 years. I have no doubt we will get a chance to play these other big non-Ulster sides further down the road. A luxury which will not be afforded to other less successful but more opinionated posters on here." I'm not sure if it's insecurity or oversensitivity but you don't seem capable of having a constructive discussion. It's neither against the rules nor irrelevant to this thread to compare how Ulster's top teams have fared against the Dubs. You appear to be suffering from an affliction prevalent amongst some Tyrone supporters. greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 03/06/2019 17:30:27 2190254 Link
Replying To Wally: "Well you didn't really answer my question at all did you. Regardless of what happens further down the line this is an Ulster semi final between Tyrone and Donegal so surely that should be were your assessment should start. Why don't you come back with a few wee stats on the last 3 championship games between these sides? If success is now only based on how a team fairs against Dublin then we are all on to a loser seeing as they are unbeaten in championship football over the past 5 years. I have no doubt we will get a chance to play these other big non-Ulster sides further down the road. A luxury which will not be afforded to other less successful but more opinionated posters on here." Less successful? Explain that one sorry. This game is Ulster Championship and we are the Ulster Champions. Also, Dublin aren't unbeaten in 5 years but it's not far off that; Donegal were the only team to beat them in 5 years. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 03/06/2019 18:19:48 2190267 Link
Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Less successful? Explain that one sorry. This game is Ulster Championship and we are the Ulster Champions. Also, Dublin aren't unbeaten in 5 years but it's not far off that; Donegal were the only team to beat them in 5 years." When did I say that Donegal were one of the less successful countries I was referring to? I believe the dude I replied to was from the USA and he never stated he was from Donegal. Jeez and I am the one being described as over sensitive! Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 03/06/2019 21:08:39 2190322 Link
Replying To Wally: "When did I say that Donegal were one of the less successful countries I was referring to? I believe the dude I replied to was from the USA and he never stated he was from Donegal. Jeez and I am the one being described as over sensitive!" So if you don't know what county he's from, then how could you describe him as 'less successful?' You clearly assumed he was from Donegal so don't be saying otherwise! Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 03/06/2019 22:29:54 2190351 Link
Could go either way but I have a feeling Donegal might edge this one. greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 03/06/2019 22:39:52 2190355 Link
Can't wait for this one. Tyrone have improved but if McBrearty is on song then I feel Donegal may just about do it. Either way both teams will have a say down the road you'd feel. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 03/06/2019 22:42:37 2190356 Link
Whole clatter of Donegal posters, all at pains to say that Tyrone are the favourites to win. It was so much more fun when opposing fans used to come right out and say your team was going to get minced, instead of this on-message / studied politeness / cute-h* stuff which has now seemingly spread to Ulster. essmac (Tyrone)** - Posts: 1141 - 04/06/2019 08:04:04 2190379 Link
Replying To essmac: "Whole clatter of Donegal posters, all at pains to say that Tyrone are the favourites to win. It was so much more fun when opposing fans used to come right out and say your team was going to get minced, instead of this on-message / studied politeness / cute-h* stuff which has now seemingly spread to Ulster." In fairness you've won the past 3 Ulster meetings including a big Super 8 showdown last year so I would say Donegal fans are calling it as it is. Until we turn the screw then Tyrone are clear favorites Donegal_abroad (Donegal)** - Posts: 1321 - 04/06/2019 09:51:12 2190405 Link
Replying To essmac: "Whole clatter of Donegal posters, all at pains to say that Tyrone are the favourites to win. It was so much more fun when opposing fans used to come right out and say your team was going to get minced, instead of this on-message / studied politeness / cute-h* stuff which has now seemingly spread to Ulster." I don't remember those times. But I would say that we have a chance despite Tyrone's form. Donegalman (None)** - Posts: 3830 - 04/06/2019 10:18:15 2190412 Link
Replying To Donegal_abroad: "So if you don't know what county he's from, then how could you describe him as 'less successful?' You clearly assumed he was from Donegal so don't be saying otherwise!" But you are less successful Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 04/06/2019 10:19:36 2190414 Link
Replying To Donegal_abroad: "In fairness you've won the past 3 Ulster meetings including a big Super 8 showdown last year so I would say Donegal fans are calling it as it is. Until we turn the screw then Tyrone are clear favorites" Exactly. We were accused of the same last year before the super 8's but the pessimism proved to be spot on esp when losing McBrearty. There is a top team building who I feel will only get better. Better again if Kieran Gillespie can get an injury free run. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2781 - 04/06/2019 10:49:39 2190424 Link
Replying To essmac: "Whole clatter of Donegal posters, all at pains to say that Tyrone are the favourites to win. It was so much more fun when opposing fans used to come right out and say your team was going to get minced, instead of this on-message / studied politeness / cute-h* stuff which has now seemingly spread to Ulster." ''Tis funny all the same how nobody wants to be labeled as the favorite. Last years AI finalists would be considered the favorites whatever way you want to play it. Kerry are always favorites in Munster but after that it's debatable. Ulster is far more competitive alright but last years finalists would have to carry that tag for me. There's a bit of the fear of failure about that mindset for me. catch22 (USA)** - Posts: 2148 - 04/06/2019 10:53:51 2190426 Link
Replying To Wally: "But you are less successful" Me personally? What have you done yourself that's so great? Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 04/06/2019 19:12:23 2190620 Link
Donegal have the better players in most positions and certainly better forwards. They are Ulster Champions on merit and if they get a run on Tyrone on Sunday they'll win with a bit to spare. fatkeeper (Dublin) - Posts: 316 - 04/06/2019 19:58:00 2190630 Link
Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Me personally? What have you done yourself that's so great?" Donegal. They are a less successful county than Tyrone. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 04/06/2019 20:08:54 2190636 Link
Looking forward to this should be a cracker, first game of the year where two heavyweights clash, interesting that Donegal posters arnt giving themselves much of a chance but the Tyrone posters are confident, don't think there be much in it myself and wouldn't be surprised if Donegal Nick it, but if Tyrone continue there impressive late league form into this game I'll go for them by 2. Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 665 - 04/06/2019 20:11:42 2190638 Link
Replying To fatkeeper: "Donegal have the better players in most positions and certainly better forwards. They are Ulster Champions on merit and if they get a run on Tyrone on Sunday they'll win with a bit to spare." I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that the donegal lads are defending champions and have clearly improved again over the year. Whilst Tyrone punched above their weight getting to an ai final last year I dont see why the bookies have them odds on to win. Hopefully it's an Ulster classic and I envisage donegal exacting revenge for the super 8s meeting last year. tulachmhór (Offaly) - Posts: 145 - 04/06/2019 20:24:51 2190641 Link