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All-Ireland Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Kerry, Cavan, Kildare, Armagh & Westmeath.
Group B: Mayo, Roscommon, Fermanagh, Clare & Laois.
Group C: Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal, Cork & Down.
Group D: Dublin, Galway, Meath, Tipperary & Kildare.

- 2 home and 2 away games each.
- Group winners granted home quarter-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in preliminary quarter-finals.
- Bottom teams into relegation semi-finals.

Tier 2 Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Longford, Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford, Wexford & London.
Group B: Offaly, Sligo, Derry, Antrim, Wicklow & Limerick.

- 2 home games one year awards 3 home games in the following year.
- Group winners granted home semi-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in quarter-finals.
- Tier 2 winner promoted.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 20/05/2019 15:23:57    2185946

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Replying To legendzxix:  "All-Ireland Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Kerry, Cavan, Kildare, Armagh & Westmeath.
Group B: Mayo, Roscommon, Fermanagh, Clare & Laois.
Group C: Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal, Cork & Down.
Group D: Dublin, Galway, Meath, Tipperary & Kildare.

- 2 home and 2 away games each.
- Group winners granted home quarter-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in preliminary quarter-finals.
- Bottom teams into relegation semi-finals.

Tier 2 Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Longford, Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford, Wexford & London.
Group B: Offaly, Sligo, Derry, Antrim, Wicklow & Limerick.

- 2 home games one year awards 3 home games in the following year.
- Group winners granted home semi-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in quarter-finals.
- Tier 2 winner promoted."
Think that's a step in the right direction

I think you can expand that and use US NFL/Pro 14 cross conference games too, and scrap the league

So as well as play everyone in your group, play 1 team from each of the other groups too (4 teams not at your seeded level)

That makes it 8 games for all those teams.

Then keep the super 8 format for quarter finals

Semi finals

Final.

13 games to win All Ireland.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 244 - 20/05/2019 16:56:27    2185984

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The league is not being scrapped. The Hurling League is being tweaked so that managers can develop their squad for the championship.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 20/05/2019 17:17:07    2185994

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Replying To legendzxix:  "All-Ireland Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Kerry, Cavan, Kildare, Armagh & Westmeath.
Group B: Mayo, Roscommon, Fermanagh, Clare & Laois.
Group C: Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal, Cork & Down.
Group D: Dublin, Galway, Meath, Tipperary & Kildare.

- 2 home and 2 away games each.
- Group winners granted home quarter-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in preliminary quarter-finals.
- Bottom teams into relegation semi-finals.

Tier 2 Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Longford, Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford, Wexford & London.
Group B: Offaly, Sligo, Derry, Antrim, Wicklow & Limerick.

- 2 home games one year awards 3 home games in the following year.
- Group winners granted home semi-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in quarter-finals.
- Tier 2 winner promoted."
No Louth and Kildare are in there twice. Unless the Wee County automatically gets to the All Ireland Final?

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 20/05/2019 17:54:08    2186013

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I wouldn't change anything about the NFL,it's the most exciting of the football year,to the football community,be careful what you look for,the top teams in hurling haven't changed and won't be changing,I'm not saying we don't need need change but it has to better than what's happening In hurling last 20 years

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 20/05/2019 18:00:19    2186019

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Replying To Al_Maguire:  "Think that's a step in the right direction

I think you can expand that and use US NFL/Pro 14 cross conference games too, and scrap the league

So as well as play everyone in your group, play 1 team from each of the other groups too (4 teams not at your seeded level)

That makes it 8 games for all those teams.

Then keep the super 8 format for quarter finals

Semi finals

Final.

13 games to win All Ireland."
I've said before on here that the hurling format is the model to copy.
5/6 best teams in each province. 3 teams in each to go through. I appreciate some counties will be guaranteed a passage through to the knockout stages but it gives everyone a realistic goal to strive for.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 20/05/2019 18:31:28    2186033

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I think dividing the field into 4 is not a good idea. Means there are not enough games between top teams until the quarterfinals as we have already in the current system.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 20/05/2019 19:14:19    2186050

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Replying To Ej:  "I've said before on here that the hurling format is the model to copy.
5/6 best teams in each province. 3 teams in each to go through. I appreciate some counties will be guaranteed a passage through to the knockout stages but it gives everyone a realistic goal to strive for."
The success of the hurling model really feels like it's more to do with getting the best teams playing one another more often, rather than actually being anything to do with the Provincial system.

Galway in Leinster I think is evidence of that.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 20/05/2019 20:58:50    2186086

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Replying To OLLIE:  "No Louth and Kildare are in there twice. Unless the Wee County automatically gets to the All Ireland Final?"
Thanks, I was bound to have a duplicate somewhere! I'm sure you get the idea of the structure anyways!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 20/05/2019 21:08:51    2186089

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Thanks, I was bound to have a duplicate somewhere! I'm sure you get the idea of the structure anyways!"
I do indeed Legend.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 20/05/2019 21:33:37    2186099

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Replying To legendzxix:  "All-Ireland Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Kerry, Cavan, Kildare, Armagh & Westmeath.
Group B: Mayo, Roscommon, Fermanagh, Clare & Laois.
Group C: Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal, Cork & Down.
Group D: Dublin, Galway, Meath, Tipperary & Kildare.

- 2 home and 2 away games each.
- Group winners granted home quarter-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in preliminary quarter-finals.
- Bottom teams into relegation semi-finals.

Tier 2 Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Longford, Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford, Wexford & London.
Group B: Offaly, Sligo, Derry, Antrim, Wicklow & Limerick.

- 2 home games one year awards 3 home games in the following year.
- Group winners granted home semi-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in quarter-finals.
- Tier 2 winner promoted."
Thumbs Up from me !

Simplicity is sometimes best - not always - US NFL is a bit elaborate - but yet it sells, with record TV viewers and popularity.

What do you think of my tiered '5 groups of 5' + 7' ?
Tier 1 (5,5,5); Tier 2 (5,5); and Tier 3 (3 v 2,2).

KO Tier 1 of 9+ (3,3,3) plus 4 KO Prov Champs played separately. Byes to KO AI QFs, as is necessary.
KO Tier 2 of 12 (3,3) plus 6 4ths and 5ths parachuted down from Tier 1. Six go up, or retain upper tier place - start group phase in Tier 1 the following year.
KO Tier 3 of 8 (best 4 of 7) plus 4 4ths and 5ths parachuted down from Tier 2. Four go up, or retain upper tier place - start group phase in Tier 2 the following year.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 20/05/2019 23:42:47    2186129

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Replying To Whammo86:  "The success of the hurling model really feels like it's more to do with getting the best teams playing one another more often, rather than actually being anything to do with the Provincial system.

Galway in Leinster I think is evidence of that."
Yes, that's absolutely true - hurling got lucky - maybe football should do the same - Uls and the Rest.
Uls 2c5 (incl London) and Rest 3x Other Prov Finals in group of 6.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 21/05/2019 00:56:31    2186139

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Replying To Whammo86:  "The success of the hurling model really feels like it's more to do with getting the best teams playing one another more often, rather than actually being anything to do with the Provincial system.

Galway in Leinster I think is evidence of that."
Yes, that's absolutely true - hurling got lucky - maybe football should do the same - Uls and the Rest.
Uls 2 x 5 (incl London) and Rest 3x Other Prov Finals in group of 6.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 21/05/2019 00:57:17    2186140

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This is a good effort.
However, teams are now training like professionals. Any new competition/season layout should include plenty games on a regular basis over a defined period. Similar to every other sport in every other part of the world.

Solution, 3 leagues. Top 4 in division 1 goes into All-Ireland semi final. Provincial Championship run in parallel. Season goes from April to August. Regular breaks for Club Championship.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 21/05/2019 09:09:24    2186167

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All-Ireland Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Kerry, Cavan, Kildare, Armagh & Westmeath.
Group B: Mayo, Roscommon, Fermanagh, Clare & Laois.
Group C: Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal, Cork & Down.
Group D: Dublin, Galway, Meath, Tipperary & LOUTH.

- 2 home and 2 away games each.
- Group winners granted home quarter-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in preliminary quarter-finals.
- Bottom teams into relegation semi-finals.

Tier 2 Championship (Example using NFL '19)
Group A: Longford, Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford, Wexford & London.
Group B: Offaly, Sligo, Derry, Antrim, Wicklow & Limerick.

- 2 home games one year awards 3 home games in the following year.
- Group winners granted home semi-final.
- 2nd v 3rd in quarter-finals.
- Tier 2 winner promoted.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 21/05/2019 09:42:37    2186176

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Replying To Ban:  "This is a good effort.
However, teams are now training like professionals. Any new competition/season layout should include plenty games on a regular basis over a defined period. Similar to every other sport in every other part of the world.

Solution, 3 leagues. Top 4 in division 1 goes into All-Ireland semi final. Provincial Championship run in parallel. Season goes from April to August. Regular breaks for Club Championship."
The inter county competitions have to be scheduled better. The should include 1 designated club weekend every month from April to July. It's not that difficult. The following could work.

February All Ireland club competitions.

March-Early April Provincial Championships

Championship 1- 12 teams, 4 Provincial champions, Finalists from previous season's championship 2, 6 best ranked remaining teams from previous seasons championship 1. Top 4 to semifinals.

Championship 2 and 3. 10 teams each. 3 into playoffs with top of the table promoted and straight into final.

14th April club football 1
21st April break
28th April Football championship 1
5th May Football championship 2
12th May club football 2
19th May break
26th May Football championship 3
2nd June Football championship 4
9th June Football championship 5
16th June club football 3
23rd June break
30th June Football championship 6
7th July Football championship 7
14th July Football championship 8
21st July club football 4
28th Jul break
4th August Football championship 9
11th August Football championship 10
18th August Football championship 11
25th August break
1st September All Ireland Football semifinals
8th September break
15th September All Ireland Football final

It's organised, every player gets quality games at the right time of the season.

Top underage players should play only for their county team and club championship.

College competitions are still played in February, they clash with All Ireland club competitions but should be a lesser problem than clashes with the national leagues.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 21/05/2019 15:08:07    2186329

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The Hurling League has to allow players to be played in a development manner. Those are the words of the GAA President.

4 or 5 group games and 3 or 4 knockout rounds are the likely scenarios in any format.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7826 - 21/05/2019 20:00:18    2186411

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