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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Injuries to Darren Hughes, Jack McCarron or Niall Kearns are no excuse whatsoever. Tactics completely wrong..........slow hand passing up the field and only 2 forwards up front while Cavan had 3 forwards & kept giving fast kick passes into them...........football the winner today ....Malachy should be ashamed with those tactics.....Mickey Graham basic tactics...well executed...... won the day. Congrats to Cavan !"
This. Spot on.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 193 - 19/05/2019 09:37:27    2185411

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Thought they played it great in the second half myself especially in the last 20 mins, hold pocession, make Monaghan chase shadows, hold momentum, work your opening, take on your score.

Excellent comporure and game management, I didn't think it was negative, more strategic and intelligent.

Just my opinion mind."
Spot on!

I read a couple of reports after the game saying that we went into our shell. Heard too that the Sky commentators were saying cavan needed to get the ball forward. Wouldn't agree at all. We kept the ball, frustrated Monaghan for long periods, and took a few chances to keep them at arms length.

It would've been great if we'd kicked on and really killed them off early in the 2nd half, but once they kicked 3 points on the spin, I thought our response and approach to closing the game out was excellent.


As good as the win was, I don't think anyone in Cavan will see this as this Cavan team reaching that next level. We've had a performance like that in us for the last few years.
The acid test now is backing it up. If we lose to Armagh/Down in 2 weeks time, then we won't have made progress at all and people will be quick to point out that we beat a Monaghan team that is probably past it's best, and if not, certainly not playing anywhere near their best.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 19/05/2019 09:42:15    2185413

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Vinny's brothers involvement with Cavan certainly a factor.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 19/05/2019 09:58:23    2185419

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Spot on!

I read a couple of reports after the game saying that we went into our shell. Heard too that the Sky commentators were saying cavan needed to get the ball forward. Wouldn't agree at all. We kept the ball, frustrated Monaghan for long periods, and took a few chances to keep them at arms length.

It would've been great if we'd kicked on and really killed them off early in the 2nd half, but once they kicked 3 points on the spin, I thought our response and approach to closing the game out was excellent.


As good as the win was, I don't think anyone in Cavan will see this as this Cavan team reaching that next level. We've had a performance like that in us for the last few years.
The acid test now is backing it up. If we lose to Armagh/Down in 2 weeks time, then we won't have made progress at all and people will be quick to point out that we beat a Monaghan team that is probably past it's best, and if not, certainly not playing anywhere near their best."
Absolutely. We need to beat Armagh or Down to really make a step up. As great as the win was, I'm very concerned about our tendency to fall asleep for 15-20 minutes in the second half of games. We did it again yesterday, luckily Monaghan were fairly toothless in attack.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 19/05/2019 10:24:03    2185426

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Spot on!

I read a couple of reports after the game saying that we went into our shell. Heard too that the Sky commentators were saying cavan needed to get the ball forward. Wouldn't agree at all. We kept the ball, frustrated Monaghan for long periods, and took a few chances to keep them at arms length.

It would've been great if we'd kicked on and really killed them off early in the 2nd half, but once they kicked 3 points on the spin, I thought our response and approach to closing the game out was excellent.


As good as the win was, I don't think anyone in Cavan will see this as this Cavan team reaching that next level. We've had a performance like that in us for the last few years.
The acid test now is backing it up. If we lose to Armagh/Down in 2 weeks time, then we won't have made progress at all and people will be quick to point out that we beat a Monaghan team that is probably past it's best, and if not, certainly not playing anywhere near their best."
I watched it on Sky and i found the commentary really disappointing, they just couldn't see what Cavan were trying to do and to quick to peddle the "football is gone so negative" narrative, every time Cavan worked a score after many good patient phases of play.

I like watching football like that with intelligent purpose, it takes bravery to take under pressure, tactical nous in moving players around, game management skills wearing the opposition down and leadership to take you point on.

The first half for me was a sign of a good team, the second half for me was a sign of a good manager. If you have both you can be confident.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/05/2019 10:30:18    2185428

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I watched it on Sky and i found the commentary really disappointing, they just couldn't see what Cavan were trying to do and to quick to peddle the "football is gone so negative" narrative, every time Cavan worked a score after many good patient phases of play.

I like watching football like that with intelligent purpose, it takes bravery to take under pressure, tactical nous in moving players around, game management skills wearing the opposition down and leadership to take you point on.

The first half for me was a sign of a good team, the second half for me was a sign of a good manager. If you have both you can be confident."
I agree with you re negative football comments, it was a really exciting game to watch. However Cavan were 8 points up at one stage and Monaghan got back to 3, not sure I would call that good game management. For me they went slightly negative, trying to play keep ball at the back, this is fine but you need to keep the scoreboard ticking over. It was understandable though, such a long time since Cavan have beaten Monaghan that they were bound to get nervous. The good news for Cavan is that they can actually improve. If they could play a full 70+ minutes like the first half they will be a real handful for any side.

I wouldnt write off Monaghan. They played very poorly in their defeat to Fermanagh last year but were excellent in the Super 8s and were a whisker from reaching the All-Ireland final.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 19/05/2019 11:52:36    2185448

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Delighted for Cavan,didn't see it but the SG will probably have 2 or 3 mins of it on tonight.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 19/05/2019 12:06:54    2185450

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "I agree with you re negative football comments, it was a really exciting game to watch. However Cavan were 8 points up at one stage and Monaghan got back to 3, not sure I would call that good game management. For me they went slightly negative, trying to play keep ball at the back, this is fine but you need to keep the scoreboard ticking over. It was understandable though, such a long time since Cavan have beaten Monaghan that they were bound to get nervous. The good news for Cavan is that they can actually improve. If they could play a full 70+ minutes like the first half they will be a real handful for any side.

I wouldnt write off Monaghan. They played very poorly in their defeat to Fermanagh last year but were excellent in the Super 8s and were a whisker from reaching the All-Ireland final."
I can see where you are coming from a chara, but i do think its a disservice the negative. I agree with what you said about playing the ball at the back, but i do think its was purposeful, they in almost every case phased the ball toward a score. They shut Mongahans momentum down when they got to three points and progressed the score from there. I thought it was excellent game management given the context.

If we are honest its something the best teams all do, i used to really admire the Kerry teams of 00's ability to manage a game, they were one of th ebest at it. They were a good team, but not always the best team on a day but would win by closing the game out and managing it for the final 15 quarter, they were excellent at it, the only team that ever really caught them out with it was Dublin in 11. Dublin do it fantastically well as well. Its controlled possession, game management and phased play at a certain point in a game, its not being negative but controlling your expansive play to a point that you can score.

For me Cavan played yesterday with their heads up and looked to go forward at the right opportunity, like the Kerry team of the 00s and Dublin now. You never really hear the latter two being labelled negative teams.

I actually enjoy it personally, compare to something like the league final, Mayo in the final stages kicked a few mad possessions away in the last quarter, it was poor game management, exciting though, but im sure every Mayo person in the country was groaning at some of the phases.

Anyhow i though the "negative" thing was very harsh on Cavan, i thought commentary in Sky Sports was poor and lazy as well. Particularly the Co - commentator.

Again though just my opinion.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/05/2019 12:17:34    2185456

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Replying To Triple H:  "I feel Cavan have a great chance of beating Monaghan on Saturday evening. The Farney men have a number of injury problems at the moment. And in recent times they have often been vulnerable in the opening rounds. Remember Fermanagh last year and Down 12 months previous. Add in a home venue at Breffni Park. Some of Cavan's defeats in the NFL were by the narrowest of margin and at a time when Mickey Graham with club commitments had no time to settle in. Notice that Graham said today that he had no injury problems either. The boys in blue could be a great bet."
Great call. Thought Donegal and Mon would be our only competition for Ulster. Seems I was wrong.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 19/05/2019 12:27:58    2185458

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I can see where you are coming from a chara, but i do think its a disservice the negative. I agree with what you said about playing the ball at the back, but i do think its was purposeful, they in almost every case phased the ball toward a score. They shut Mongahans momentum down when they got to three points and progressed the score from there. I thought it was excellent game management given the context.

If we are honest its something the best teams all do, i used to really admire the Kerry teams of 00's ability to manage a game, they were one of th ebest at it. They were a good team, but not always the best team on a day but would win by closing the game out and managing it for the final 15 quarter, they were excellent at it, the only team that ever really caught them out with it was Dublin in 11. Dublin do it fantastically well as well. Its controlled possession, game management and phased play at a certain point in a game, its not being negative but controlling your expansive play to a point that you can score.

For me Cavan played yesterday with their heads up and looked to go forward at the right opportunity, like the Kerry team of the 00s and Dublin now. You never really hear the latter two being labelled negative teams.

I actually enjoy it personally, compare to something like the league final, Mayo in the final stages kicked a few mad possessions away in the last quarter, it was poor game management, exciting though, but im sure every Mayo person in the country was groaning at some of the phases.

Anyhow i though the "negative" thing was very harsh on Cavan, i thought commentary in Sky Sports was poor and lazy as well. Particularly the Co - commentator.

Again though just my opinion."
Would be nice if they could at least get the players names right, constantly getting players mixed up.. analysis aren't bad but the commentary is brutal..
On the game itself, fair play to cavan, far better team, monaghan haven't progressed their game at all in the last 3 years, the slow build up and lateral passes just doesn't work, a blind man could see this but they persist with it. Cavan will get to the ulster final and good luck to them

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 19/05/2019 12:48:52    2185470

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Replying To Setantawatchl:  "What an insincere post

The best team won!"
Nothing insincere about my post at all. Cavan played Monaghan off the field in first half. But I'm not giving up hope on Monaghan yet this year if we can get our players back and hopefully 1 or 2 handy qualifier draws will be the tonic. Monaghans injury list prior to yesterday evening;
Karl O'Connell
Jack McCarron
Darren Hughes
Niall kearins
Nell McAdam
Dermot Malone

Kieran hadn't played a game in some time but was excellent. Martin Corey knew exactly the players to target yesterday and Cavan totally exploited it. Get these players back over the 1st 2 qualifiers ( if we can survive them and we might just get our season going. Are Monaghan down and out? I don't think so. We simply can't be as bad as we were yesterday evening. Hopefully we get to meet our dearest neighbors again later in the year.

FarneyLenny (Monaghan) - Posts: 110 - 19/05/2019 14:18:21    2185489

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I watched it on Sky and i found the commentary really disappointing, they just couldn't see what Cavan were trying to do and to quick to peddle the "football is gone so negative" narrative, every time Cavan worked a score after many good patient phases of play.

I like watching football like that with intelligent purpose, it takes bravery to take under pressure, tactical nous in moving players around, game management skills wearing the opposition down and leadership to take you point on.

The first half for me was a sign of a good team, the second half for me was a sign of a good manager. If you have both you can be confident."
I would have to agree with you username.. This game was a carbon copy of the league game with Kerry where Cavan were 7 points up at half time and lost the game to Kerry. This time round things were different. They slowed the game down recycled well, subbed at the right time, stuck to the plan and grabbed scores at crucial times. Monaghan were always going to come out hard in the second half and Cavan were always going to be a bit protecting, being 7 points up. This will stand to this team.

While we played well there is loads to work on. Kick out strategy went astray at times, free taking from distance was poor and although we had a good conversion percentage we still left simple scores behind. We also tried to force the issue up front when the percentage chance of a score was low. These are times you need to recycle....

All in all it was Mullinalaghta phase 2...

and Martin Reilly should have got MOTM....

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 540 - 19/05/2019 18:38:22    2185553

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Replying To ponger:  "I would have to agree with you username.. This game was a carbon copy of the league game with Kerry where Cavan were 7 points up at half time and lost the game to Kerry. This time round things were different. They slowed the game down recycled well, subbed at the right time, stuck to the plan and grabbed scores at crucial times. Monaghan were always going to come out hard in the second half and Cavan were always going to be a bit protecting, being 7 points up. This will stand to this team.

While we played well there is loads to work on. Kick out strategy went astray at times, free taking from distance was poor and although we had a good conversion percentage we still left simple scores behind. We also tried to force the issue up front when the percentage chance of a score was low. These are times you need to recycle....

All in all it was Mullinalaghta phase 2...

and Martin Reilly should have got MOTM...."
Well done to Cavan - a great footballing display in the first half. Great kicking & continual forward momentum. Monaghan in a heap and not unexpected, no game management which one would think would be the priority given the injury list. In no way taking away from a great Cavan performance. The hunger was obvious by Cavan & it's been a long, long time since they beat the old adversary at home. Good luck in the semi vs Armagh (would fancy a Cavan win) & I 100% agree that M. Reilly should have been MOTM.
Looking forward to wherever the qualifiers bring us. Will be right behind our Monaghan lads.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 19/05/2019 20:35:56    2185625

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Vinny's brothers involvement with Cavan certainly a factor."
Would say so. I suppose a few quid will always count for some over integrity. Wouldn't be for me but of course we are all different.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 19/05/2019 20:49:42    2185639

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Didn't see the game but just seen the peno on bbc absolutely shocking decision never a penalty Monaghan can feel really hard done by Beggan gets a leg to the ball and then the Cavan fella dives the goal was the difference it's a shocker.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/05/2019 21:07:51    2185645

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Didn't see the game but just seen the peno on bbc absolutely shocking decision never a penalty Monaghan can feel really hard done by Beggan gets a leg to the ball and then the Cavan fella dives the goal was the difference it's a shocker."
You are correct Re. the penalty, but it was not a fair reflection on Cavan's performance. The penalty was early, plenty of time to recover from it. They created space at will and used it effectively, they flooded back when required and broke with pace and looked dangerous. In the second half they were more intent on protecting their lead, had they played the same way in the second half may well have beat us out the gate. Understandable given the circumstances. If they play like they did in the first half they will be dangerous.

As for us hopefully that was their annual kick up the backside

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 19/05/2019 22:26:27    2185680

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Didn't see the game but just seen the peno on bbc absolutely shocking decision never a penalty Monaghan can feel really hard done by Beggan gets a leg to the ball and then the Cavan fella dives the goal was the difference it's a shocker."
But I suppose you agree with Madden getting a kick to the head and having a free given against him


If you didn't see the game, you didn't see the game.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 19/05/2019 22:35:28    2185682

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Didn't see the game but just seen the peno on bbc absolutely shocking decision never a penalty Monaghan can feel really hard done by Beggan gets a leg to the ball and then the Cavan fella dives the goal was the difference it's a shocker."
I don't think Conor Lane gave it against Beggan?

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 19/05/2019 22:59:13    2185695

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Didn't see the game but just seen the peno on bbc absolutely shocking decision never a penalty Monaghan can feel really hard done by Beggan gets a leg to the ball and then the Cavan fella dives the goal was the difference it's a shocker."
Bit harsh, didn't think it was a dive. I didn't think it was a penalty to be honest, but there was a hand to the back by Wylie when he was trying to control and you're always at risk when you do that in the box. Definitely not a dive though but you can see why it was given

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2380 - 19/05/2019 23:05:15    2185700

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "You are correct Re. the penalty, but it was not a fair reflection on Cavan's performance. The penalty was early, plenty of time to recover from it. They created space at will and used it effectively, they flooded back when required and broke with pace and looked dangerous. In the second half they were more intent on protecting their lead, had they played the same way in the second half may well have beat us out the gate. Understandable given the circumstances. If they play like they did in the first half they will be dangerous.

As for us hopefully that was their annual kick up the backside"
Yeah maybe but it's still a massive boost to a team's confidence to get such an early goal your going to be flying with such a great start. In the end the goal is a massive turning point cause Monaghan comeback into it and its the goal that keeps a small distance between them take that goal away and it's a different result no matter how poor Monaghan were. I called out a Dublin player last week for a dive and the Cavan player should be called out aswell Beggan does absolutely nothing wrong and he's punished for that shocking.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 20/05/2019 08:02:05    2185733

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