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With the GAA now looking at more championship change and the GPA producing info on player burnout/repetitive strain injuries etc, it would be better to redesign the entire GA season from Scratch building rest periods in.
52 weeks in the season ( can't increase that)
4 weeks complete rest - December
4 weeks pre season strength and conditioning allowed only - January
4 weeks for all Ireland club, clashing with Sigerson cup and U20 all Ireland series - players to declare for 1 team only
4 weeks for provincial championships club/county and U20 - players declare for one team only
4 weeks for All Ireland Tier A / Tier B group matches
4 weeks for All Ireland Senior championship knockouts
8 weeks for inter county leagues/U20 provincials/
8 weeks county club championships
4 weeks in-season rest periods
Fix that as a set of principles and your half way to sorting out the whole mess.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 08/05/2019 05:12:19
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "With the GAA now looking at more championship change and the GPA producing info on player burnout/repetitive strain injuries etc, it would be better to redesign the entire GA season from Scratch building rest periods in.
52 weeks in the season ( can't increase that)
4 weeks complete rest - December
4 weeks pre season strength and conditioning allowed only - January
4 weeks for all Ireland club, clashing with Sigerson cup and U20 all Ireland series - players to declare for 1 team only
4 weeks for provincial championships club/county and U20 - players declare for one team only
4 weeks for All Ireland Tier A / Tier B group matches
4 weeks for All Ireland Senior championship knockouts
8 weeks for inter county leagues/U20 provincials/
8 weeks county club championships
4 weeks in-season rest periods
Fix that as a set of principles and your half way to sorting out the whole mess." Fair play Tirawley, looks a good template that could suit players, coaches and supporters. Maybe a bit of flexibility on Club v College v U20s? A lot of college teams get some players familiar with a higher standard of football than they're used to which could benefit them and their club and county U20s with some new ideas. The college teams finish before May and it might be good for some county U20 teams to play in double headers in front of bigger crowds before senior championship games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7326 - 08/05/2019 15:50:32
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "With the GAA now looking at more championship change and the GPA producing info on player burnout/repetitive strain injuries etc, it would be better to redesign the entire GA season from Scratch building rest periods in.
52 weeks in the season ( can't increase that)
4 weeks complete rest - December
4 weeks pre season strength and conditioning allowed only - January
4 weeks for all Ireland club, clashing with Sigerson cup and U20 all Ireland series - players to declare for 1 team only
4 weeks for provincial championships club/county and U20 - players declare for one team only
4 weeks for All Ireland Tier A / Tier B group matches
4 weeks for All Ireland Senior championship knockouts
8 weeks for inter county leagues/U20 provincials/
8 weeks county club championships
4 weeks in-season rest periods
Fix that as a set of principles and your half way to sorting out the whole mess." 4 weeks for provincial championships club/county and U20 - players declare for one team only
Are you saying a player from the county champions has to choose whether to play club or county provincial championship.
If that is what you're saying why would we want to do that?
Also there are 2 codes in the association and the GAA has a stated aim that dual players be accommodated at club level.
I think 12 weekends really need to be set aside for club championship (6 per code). Leinster counties need 11 weekends available for Leinster and All Ireland club in both codes. It's not really possible to not accommodate this at the start of the season. The example of Slaughtneil winning Ulster in both codes shows that the possibility of a club progressed deep into both codes is something that can't be overlooked.
You're at 23 weekends for the club game.
I think you're kind of talking 17-21 weekends are the most that can be given to intercounty competition. Depending on the off season that is desired.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 08/05/2019 17:50:01
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Replying To Whammo86: "4 weeks for provincial championships club/county and U20 - players declare for one team only
Are you saying a player from the county champions has to choose whether to play club or county provincial championship.
If that is what you're saying why would we want to do that?
Also there are 2 codes in the association and the GAA has a stated aim that dual players be accommodated at club level.
I think 12 weekends really need to be set aside for club championship (6 per code). Leinster counties need 11 weekends available for Leinster and All Ireland club in both codes. It's not really possible to not accommodate this at the start of the season. The example of Slaughtneil winning Ulster in both codes shows that the possibility of a club progressed deep into both codes is something that can't be overlooked.
You're at 23 weekends for the club game.
I think you're kind of talking 17-21 weekends are the most that can be given to intercounty competition. Depending on the off season that is desired." For inter-county - call it, teams should play between half and two-thirds of available weeks - say, upper end 67% of 21 weeks, is say a 14 match season - a little more than annual International soccer duty. With max 6 AI KO rds, that only leaves NFL-sized groups - or double round robin hurling-sized 5-team groups. Hmmm - Divs 1,2,3 with North & South of 5,5,6 - Div 1 could play single round robin across both regions.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2569 - 09/05/2019 02:17:42
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Replying To Whammo86: "4 weeks for provincial championships club/county and U20 - players declare for one team only
Are you saying a player from the county champions has to choose whether to play club or county provincial championship.
If that is what you're saying why would we want to do that?
Also there are 2 codes in the association and the GAA has a stated aim that dual players be accommodated at club level.
I think 12 weekends really need to be set aside for club championship (6 per code). Leinster counties need 11 weekends available for Leinster and All Ireland club in both codes. It's not really possible to not accommodate this at the start of the season. The example of Slaughtneil winning Ulster in both codes shows that the possibility of a club progressed deep into both codes is something that can't be overlooked.
You're at 23 weekends for the club game.
I think you're kind of talking 17-21 weekends are the most that can be given to intercounty competition. Depending on the off season that is desired." The stated aims of the GAA are not being delivered now. Slaughtneils achievements happened at a fortunate time when both Derry's county teams were at a low ebb. There best players had no distractions.
If dual players are to be accommodated then any non dual player will have a lot of weekends off.
I am definitely promoting the prevention of player burnout by limiting the number of teams a player should be involved in or limited. Similar to professional Rigby players.
The current set up where the best U20 players are involved in 4-5 teams mostly in Spring, training every night of the week and playing 2-3 times of a weekend has to go.
Most of those players end up having surgical procedures by the age of 20/21.
The average club player then gets matches postponed while they wait for their best players to play completions that have nothing to do with them.
You the. Have a huge drop off of interest post minor level as lads choose other sports where you get regular competitive matches at whatever standard you can play at.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 09/05/2019 03:31:19
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I am definitely promoting the prevention of player burnout by limiting the number of teams a player should be involved in or limited. Similar to professional Rigby players.
The current set up where the best U20 players are involved in 4-5 teams mostly in Spring, training every night of the week and playing 2-3 times of a weekend has to go.
Most of those players end up having surgical procedures by the age of 20/21.
The average club player then gets matches postponed while they wait for their best players to play completions that have nothing to do with them.
You the. Have a huge drop off of interest post minor level as lads choose other sports where you get regular competitive matches at whatever standard you can play at.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 696 - 09/05/2019 03:31:19Professional rugby and rugby in general is quite different in terms of how players are limited by number of teams/games they can play for.
Best players at u20 grade in rugby simply dont play under 20 club rugby. the top irish under 20 players who will be at world under 20 championship next month will only really have played under 20 games in internationals as for their clubs they will have played senior rugby only.
if that current set up has to go then there needs to be stronger regulation from county boards, stronger penalties for clubs who try postpone games for unnecessary reasons and stronger will from everyone to just play games.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3494 - 19/05/2019 09:54:12
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It's been clear to me for a while now that we're in a place where players will have to declare if they are playing for their club or county for the season. Too many demands on players to divide themselves between all. The best young players are playing college, club and county. Too much.
County board's are investing too much in county players to risk them getting hurt for another team. If a player wants to play club football they can but at the cost of playing county.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 19/05/2019 10:13:50
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "It's been clear to me for a while now that we're in a place where players will have to declare if they are playing for their club or county for the season. Too many demands on players to divide themselves between all. The best young players are playing college, club and county. Too much.
County board's are investing too much in county players to risk them getting hurt for another team. If a player wants to play club football they can but at the cost of playing county." I don't agree.
I think club league should not be accommodated for county players.
Club championship should be though.
Some of the best club championships are 6 rounds long.
16 teams, 4 groups of 4 moving on to quarter finals.
Simples, but not enough counties have that.
The inter county competitions have to be scheduled better. The should include 1 designated club weekend every month from April to July. It's not that difficult. The following could work.
February All Ireland club competitions.
March-Early April Provincial Championships
Championship 1- 12 teams, 4 Provincial champions, Finalists from previous season's championship 2, 6 best ranked remaining teams from previous seasons championship 1. Top 4 to semifinals.
Championship 2 and 3. 10 teams each. 3 into playoffs with top of the table promoted and straight into final.
14th April club football 1
21st April break
28th April Football championship 1
5th May Football championship 2
12th May club football 2
19th May break
26th May Football championship 3
2nd June Football championship 4
9th June Football championship 5
16th June club football 3
23rd June break
30th June Football championship 6
7th July Football championship 7
14th July Football championship 8
21st July club football 4
28th July Football championship 9
4th August Football championship 10
11th August Football championship 11
18th August break
25th August All Ireland Football semifinals
1st September Break
8th September All Ireland Football final
It's organised, every player gets quality games at the right time of the season.
Top underage players should play only for their county team and club championship.
College competitions are still played in February, they clash with All Ireland club competitions but should be a lesser problem than clashes with the national leagues.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 19/05/2019 11:05:38
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Replying To Whammo86: "I don't agree.
I think club league should not be accommodated for county players.
Club championship should be though.
Some of the best club championships are 6 rounds long.
16 teams, 4 groups of 4 moving on to quarter finals.
Simples, but not enough counties have that.
The inter county competitions have to be scheduled better. The should include 1 designated club weekend every month from April to July. It's not that difficult. The following could work.
February All Ireland club competitions.
March-Early April Provincial Championships
Championship 1- 12 teams, 4 Provincial champions, Finalists from previous season's championship 2, 6 best ranked remaining teams from previous seasons championship 1. Top 4 to semifinals.
Championship 2 and 3. 10 teams each. 3 into playoffs with top of the table promoted and straight into final.
14th April club football 1
21st April break
28th April Football championship 1
5th May Football championship 2
12th May club football 2
19th May break
26th May Football championship 3
2nd June Football championship 4
9th June Football championship 5
16th June club football 3
23rd June break
30th June Football championship 6
7th July Football championship 7
14th July Football championship 8
21st July club football 4
28th July Football championship 9
4th August Football championship 10
11th August Football championship 11
18th August break
25th August All Ireland Football semifinals
1st September Break
8th September All Ireland Football final
It's organised, every player gets quality games at the right time of the season.
Top underage players should play only for their county team and club championship.
College competitions are still played in February, they clash with All Ireland club competitions but should be a lesser problem than clashes with the national leagues." Your not far off it there.
Move your April break to July and it's worable.
I would start with 2 weekends of county and run a sequence of 2xcounty, 1xclub and 1x rest weekend.
That has you playing 12 inter county matches and 6 club by mid September- start back in March and you have 14 inter county weekends - enough for league and championship (ban on replays and seeded structures as a given)
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1103 - 21/05/2019 01:45:36
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Your not far off it there.
Move your April break to July and it's worable.
I would start with 2 weekends of county and run a sequence of 2xcounty, 1xclub and 1x rest weekend.
That has you playing 12 inter county matches and 6 club by mid September- start back in March and you have 14 inter county weekends - enough for league and championship (ban on replays and seeded structures as a given)" Sorry actually meant to put a break on the 28th July and missed it. Intercounty season would finish of 15th September and 4 club rounds in each code would've be played by then.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 21/05/2019 15:04:17
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