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The GAA have a great hurling competition in the Joe Mcdonagh cup with high quality competitive games where any of the participants could win or be relegated to Christy Ring. So what do they do with it give it, no TV coverage and play almost all the matches at 3pm on Saturday when a huge amount of people are working. Simply a joke. Football fans should remember that these are the counties ranked 11-15.Imagine the care they will give football ranked 17-33.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 24/04/2019 07:50:37
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Replying To jobber: "The GAA have a great hurling competition in the Joe Mcdonagh cup with high quality competitive games where any of the participants could win or be relegated to Christy Ring. So what do they do with it give it, no TV coverage and play almost all the matches at 3pm on Saturday when a huge amount of people are working. Simply a joke. Football fans should remember that these are the counties ranked 11-15.Imagine the care they will give football ranked 17-33." Right on Jobber. I read in my local paper there was a low key announcement of The Joe McDonagh Cup competition. For the competing counties it is their championship, as you state. Playing games early on a Saturday afternoon will not suit a lot of people working in retail, or farming, personally any time suits me.
Offaly v Laois will now throw in at 7pm, rather than the original 5pm.
Any media mention of the competition, will be brief, as with the CR, LR, and NR competitions.
If the football championship were to be run on a two tier basis, the secondary competition would be largely ignored as well.
Westmeath will be one of the favourites for Joe McDonagh, best of luck to all counties.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1735 - 24/04/2019 11:21:51
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Great competition with strong teams at a similar level.
Laois and Offaly probably start favourites but Westmeath will be close too.
Antrim are hard to beat at home and Kerry are a really skillful side who can beat any of the others.
Coverage wise it's a disaster. Carlow won it last year playing 6 matches in total and we got 3 minutes highlights of the final followed by the usual pats on the head.
Great move by the gaa to make the final the match before the leinster final as it makes it a great occasion.
Just wish tg4 would be given live matches so people could see how good the teams are.
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 24/04/2019 13:29:13
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Replying To carlovia: "Great competition with strong teams at a similar level.
Laois and Offaly probably start favourites but Westmeath will be close too.
Antrim are hard to beat at home and Kerry are a really skillful side who can beat any of the others.
Coverage wise it's a disaster. Carlow won it last year playing 6 matches in total and we got 3 minutes highlights of the final followed by the usual pats on the head.
Great move by the gaa to make the final the match before the leinster final as it makes it a great occasion.
Just wish tg4 would be given live matches so people could see how good the teams are." The GAA have a responsibility to improve coverage of the competition but I doubt they will. Hurling has improved hugely all over the country because of the tiered competitions but the initial coverage of Christy Ring was far better than last years Joe Mcdonagh. As for favourites for this year its obviously Offaly and Laois coming from 1b but any idea of the five could win or be relegated to Christy whose teams also deserve better.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 24/04/2019 18:34:52
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One thing thats been glossed over since the inception of the McDonagh cup, is that it IS part of the AI series. The top 2 teams go onto the knockout stages of the Liam McCarthy, just like the top 3 teams in the Munster and Leinster Championship (albeit at the same stage as the 3rd placed provincial teams).
So, it shouldn't really be presented/viewed as a secondary competition. Its not so much the 2nd tier of the championship, its more the preliminary stage of the top tier. Ultimately, teams who are successful in the McDonagh cup, go onto the knockout stages of the AI championship. I think if it was presented/viewed this way, the competition might be afforded higher status by the media/general public.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 24/04/2019 18:41:15
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Replying To Marlon_JD: "One thing thats been glossed over since the inception of the McDonagh cup, is that it IS part of the AI series. The top 2 teams go onto the knockout stages of the Liam McCarthy, just like the top 3 teams in the Munster and Leinster Championship (albeit at the same stage as the 3rd placed provincial teams).
So, it shouldn't really be presented/viewed as a secondary competition. Its not so much the 2nd tier of the championship, its more the preliminary stage of the top tier. Ultimately, teams who are successful in the McDonagh cup, go onto the knockout stages of the AI championship. I think if it was presented/viewed this way, the competition might be afforded higher status by the media/general public." You are right but we will need a win by a Mcdonagh team in one of these matches to ram that home
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 25/04/2019 08:22:47
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Good points jobber.
This is my main problem with the much acclaimed two tier football championship proposal, we can see how dismissively 2nd and subsequent tiers are treated in hurling yet a tiered football championship is constantly being pushed by the media.
Any football team who consisently spends their time in Div3 and Div4 should be very wary of a two tiered championship. The template for how they will be treated is there for all to see in the form of the lower hurling tiers.
Now of course they well argue that they aren't exactly being treated brilliantly as it is, but personally I think they're better off on the one big ship with everybody else rather than being cut adrift in their own little boat.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/04/2019 11:14:17
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Replying To Htaem: "Good points jobber.
This is my main problem with the much acclaimed two tier football championship proposal, we can see how dismissively 2nd and subsequent tiers are treated in hurling yet a tiered football championship is constantly being pushed by the media.
Any football team who consisently spends their time in Div3 and Div4 should be very wary of a two tiered championship. The template for how they will be treated is there for all to see in the form of the lower hurling tiers.
Now of course they well argue that they aren't exactly being treated brilliantly as it is, but personally I think they're better off on the one big ship with everybody else rather than being cut adrift in their own little boat." I agree but the potential to make a really good second tier and also help the hurling competitions are there ready to be grabbed. The hurling tiers have improved the standard hugely now is the time to give the competitions the exposure they need.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 25/04/2019 11:38:51
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Replying To jobber: "I agree but the potential to make a really good second tier and also help the hurling competitions are there ready to be grabbed. The hurling tiers have improved the standard hugely now is the time to give the competitions the exposure they need." I know what you mean, the tiers work very well in the NFL, but that's partly why I disagree with a tiered championship. We already have a tiered competition in the NFL, I see the championship as our cup competition and I'd prefer to retain 1 competition a year that we all play in.
Now I absolutely believe that the championship needs a big overhaul, the provincials were great but their day is done. They could be retained though in place of the Byrne Cup, McGrath cup etc.
If a tiered championship was introduced into football, I can't help but feel it would do more harm than good to lower division teams. I find it very hard to see the Gaa giving it a proper push or the media giving it proper coverage.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/04/2019 12:20:56
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Replying To Htaem: "I know what you mean, the tiers work very well in the NFL, but that's partly why I disagree with a tiered championship. We already have a tiered competition in the NFL, I see the championship as our cup competition and I'd prefer to retain 1 competition a year that we all play in.
Now I absolutely believe that the championship needs a big overhaul, the provincials were great but their day is done. They could be retained though in place of the Byrne Cup, McGrath cup etc.
If a tiered championship was introduced into football, I can't help but feel it would do more harm than good to lower division teams. I find it very hard to see the Gaa giving it a proper push or the media giving it proper coverage." The reality is you are probably running right Croke Park won't support the football tier 2 any more than Joe Mcdonagh or Christy Ring.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 26/04/2019 08:06:33
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