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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Down V Armagh has the makings of a good game. The rest will be either walkovers or handpassing (and extensive pulling and dragging) snooze fests.
Tyrone will also win it out handily enough." Great analysis of what's to come. How will Mayo get on if they make an All Ireland final this year do ya reckon?
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Thread gone quiet. As an offaly man this is my favourite provincial championship. Chances of upsets galore but I still fancy a donegal v Monaghan final with no more than a kick of the ball in it. Round 4 qualifier wont want to meet any of those two teams for a shot at the super 8,s.
Monaghan to take it for me but donegal still to get into super 8.
tulachmhór (Offaly) - Posts: 145 - 02/05/2019 10:56:56
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I would expect Monaghan to get to the final on their side of the draw, granted they have a tricky tie away to Cavan but would still expect them to come through. The other side of the draw should be between Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone are favourites and rightly so, had a great year in 2018 and have come good at the end of the league this year. We are not sure what to expect from this Donegal side, we are very good up front but not as defensively sound as we were during the McGuinness era.
Armagh could be a dark horse but can't see them winning Ulster, therefore the winner will come from Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal. My heart says Donegal but my head says Tyrone.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 02/05/2019 11:12:51
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GAA Hour from Errigal Ciaran club fundraiser. Some good craic, sad memories and other discussion including this years Ulster Championship with Mickey Harte and ex-players.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 02/05/2019 18:18:54
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I see everyone here backing Armagh to do miracles this summer and even a lot of people on the GAA hour podcast tipping Armagh to be a dark horse. I honestly think Down will beat them.
If Kieran Mc Geeney wasn't good enough and tactically minded to win a championship match before now, then he will not get the better of Paddy Tally who is a tactical genius and will shut down Armagh after the weeks of time he has had to analyse them.
monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 02/05/2019 19:11:28
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Replying To monaghanmad: "I see everyone here backing Armagh to do miracles this summer and even a lot of people on the GAA hour podcast tipping Armagh to be a dark horse. I honestly think Down will beat them.
If Kieran Mc Geeney wasn't good enough and tactically minded to win a championship match before now, then he will not get the better of Paddy Tally who is a tactical genius and will shut down Armagh after the weeks of time he has had to analyse them." I hope your right
downtothecore (Down) - Posts: 349 - 02/05/2019 22:22:13
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Replying To Byanthon: "PR
Tyrone v Derry Tyrone
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Cavan v Monaghan Monaghan
Down v Armagh Armagh
Fermanagh v Donegal Donegal
Antrim v Tyrone Tyrone
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Monaghan v Armagh Armagh
Donegal v Tyrone Tyrone
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Armagh v Tyrone Tyrone" Im not sure where this faith in Armagh is coming from? Enda McGinley talking that up as well.
I think they should think about winning one Ulster Championship game which they haven't done in years before thinking off Ulster finals and super 8's.
They have some decent players but people are making out players like Rory Grugan and Soupy Campbell are Brian McGuigan's and Michael Murphy's. They aren't. And there defence is poor.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/05/2019 10:31:47
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Im not sure where this faith in Armagh is coming from? Enda McGinley talking that up as well.
I think they should think about winning one Ulster Championship game which they haven't done in years before thinking off Ulster finals and super 8's.
They have some decent players but people are making out players like Rory Grugan and Soupy Campbell are Brian McGuigan's and Michael Murphy's. They aren't. And there defence is poor." Ulster football is probably experiencing it's weakest era in 15 years. Nationally the better Ulster teams won't compete with Dublin, Kerry, Galway or Mayo when it comes to the big prizes. Donegal and Tyrone are slightly ahead of the rest but the other half of the draw is open for anyone of Down, Monaghan, Armagh or Cavan to make an Ulster final. I wouldn't write any of those teams off making it.
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Replying To sam1884: "Ulster football is probably experiencing it's weakest era in 15 years. Nationally the better Ulster teams won't compete with Dublin, Kerry, Galway or Mayo when it comes to the big prizes. Donegal and Tyrone are slightly ahead of the rest but the other half of the draw is open for anyone of Down, Monaghan, Armagh or Cavan to make an Ulster final. I wouldn't write any of those teams off making it." Don't know about that. Maybe every county is weak or it's just the strength of the Dubs distorting everything but take Dublin out of the Championship and I don't see where the competition is. Kerry, Galway and Mayo are hardly out competing the stronger Ulster teams. Donegal and Tyrone ran Dublin as close as anyone last year. Tyrone made the final. Mayo didn't make Super 8's. Monaghan topped the other group with Galway and Kerry.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/05/2019 12:45:59
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Replying To GreenandRed: " linkGAA Hour from Errigal Ciaran club fundraiser. Some good craic, sad memories and other discussion including this years Ulster Championship with Mickey Harte and ex-players."
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/05/2019 12:57:18
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Replying To Hardtimes: "Don't know about that. Maybe every county is weak or it's just the strength of the Dubs distorting everything but take Dublin out of the Championship and I don't see where the competition is. Kerry, Galway and Mayo are hardly out competing the stronger Ulster teams. Donegal and Tyrone ran Dublin as close as anyone last year. Tyrone made the final. Mayo didn't make Super 8's. Monaghan topped the other group with Galway and Kerry." Kerry 2018 are a year older with a new manager bringing through his players from the underage success. It may be too early for them but I think they will be much stronger this year. Donegal and Tyrone have got nowhere beating Dublin in the championship since 2014 - certainly not as close as Mayo who I expect to be fresher this year. Tyrone did get to the final but a mini Ulster Championship opened up between Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone but the result of this was the worst All Ireland final in a number of years. A fresher Mayo, improved Kerry, and Dublin would make it unlikely the draw would open up like last year again. I also expect Galway to be more offensive and much better than anything from Ulster - only hope for Ulster imo would be a fully fit Donegal team.
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry 2018 are a year older with a new manager bringing through his players from the underage success. It may be too early for them but I think they will be much stronger this year. Donegal and Tyrone have got nowhere beating Dublin in the championship since 2014 - certainly not as close as Mayo who I expect to be fresher this year. Tyrone did get to the final but a mini Ulster Championship opened up between Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone but the result of this was the worst All Ireland final in a number of years. A fresher Mayo, improved Kerry, and Dublin would make it unlikely the draw would open up like last year again. I also expect Galway to be more offensive and much better than anything from Ulster - only hope for Ulster imo would be a fully fit Donegal team." Kerry have massive potential but they've showed nothing yet in championship. A fresher Mayo? You could also say an older Mayo. Some of their star players are getting on and I still don't see the forward additions to land the big one. Whatever about these two Galway haven't come close to laying a finger on Dublin in championship. In fact, put them in the back door and I wouldn't be putting too much money on them getting to super 8's. There's always a flat performance in them and until they get that out of the system they're well down the list. If I were a Tyrone, Donegal or Monaghan supporter, outside Dublin, there's not too many teams I'd be unduly worried about.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/05/2019 15:28:26
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Replying To The_Fridge: " Replying To GreenandRed: " linkGAA Hour from Errigal Ciaran club fundraiser. Some good craic, sad memories and other discussion including this years Ulster Championship with Mickey Harte and ex-players." Great podcast for an excellent cause."
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 03/05/2019 15:38:21
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry 2018 are a year older with a new manager bringing through his players from the underage success. It may be too early for them but I think they will be much stronger this year. Donegal and Tyrone have got nowhere beating Dublin in the championship since 2014 - certainly not as close as Mayo who I expect to be fresher this year. Tyrone did get to the final but a mini Ulster Championship opened up between Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone but the result of this was the worst All Ireland final in a number of years. A fresher Mayo, improved Kerry, and Dublin would make it unlikely the draw would open up like last year again. I also expect Galway to be more offensive and much better than anything from Ulster - only hope for Ulster imo would be a fully fit Donegal team." Just to correct you on your mini Ulster Championship comment, Monaghan topped the group with the best from Munster, Connaught and next best in Leinster. Tyrone and Dublin came out of the other group. Don't know how you can back up what you said.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 03/05/2019 15:39:29
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If Donegal are to win it we have to beat Fermanagh, Tyrone (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely)
If Tyrone are to win it they have to beat Derry, Antrim, Donegal (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely)
If Monaghan are to win it they have to beat Cavan away, Down/Armagh and (Donegal/Tyrone most likely)
The also rans could be listed as such because of form and probability
Fermanagh have to beat Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan in all likelihood to win ulster. I would defo rule them out.
Cavan have to beat Monaghan, Down/Armagh and then Donegal/Tyrone in the final. I don't think they can do it.
Antrim have to beat Tyrone, Donegal (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely) in the final. It's beyond them.
Armagh have to beat Down away, Monaghan most likely and then Donegal/Tyrone in the final. It's tough.
Down have to beat Armagh, Monaghan (most likely) and Donegal/Tyrone in the final. This is also very hard.
Derry have got to beat Tyrone, Antrim, Donegal (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely) in the final. Not possible imo.
Sorry about the assumptions that Donegal are going to beat Fermanagh and likewise Monaghan are going to beat Cavan. This is to simplify the thread on the eye.
The only way that Fermanagh can shock donegal is by keeping it a low scoring game. I am not sure this is possible with the forwards we have both returning and in good form. They will have to beat us in a shoot out.
The only way Derry will beat Tyrone is if tyrone have an amazingly off form day that would have to go back a number of years.
The only way that Cavan will beat Monaghan is if they play their best game of football in about 10 years.
Down and Derry could be a very close game but I would not constitute it as a major shock if Down were to win it.
Antrim have no hope against either Tyrone or Derry.
The only way that Armagh or Down were to beat Monaghan would be injuries or suspensions to Monaghan. If this were the case, you could see a very hard game here in the making.
Donegal v Tyrone would be either very one sided in favour of Tyrone or a game that would go to the wire imo.
Tyrone v Monaghan in the final would be a tough battle with tyrone more than likely prevailing.
Donegal v Monaghan in the final would be a tough battle. A lot would depend on a refs interpretation of the rules in this fixture.
Armagh v Donegal could be an interesting one. Armagh v Tyrone would be a tyrone victory.
Down v Donegal I would favour donegal in this fixture. Down v tyrone I would strongly fancy tyrone in this one.
If by some miracle Cavan were to get to the final, they could have a chance as it would be their first final in 23 years and would have some traction behind them.
If by some major miracle Derry were to get to the final, they would be likely to face Monaghan, who could not be ruled out of continuing their winning ways. But Monaghan would have home advantage and this would be huge for them.
If by the greatest miracle of all time, either Antrim or Fermanagh were to clear the hurdles of Donegal and Tyrone to reach the final, they could expect their luck to run out in Clones v the home team.
To conclude, I would say it is a 95% likelihood that one of the 3 top teams will win it.
Of the remaining field, possibly either Armagh or Down, but they would have only a sliver of a hope.
Cavan, Antrim, Derry and Fermanagh have none for aforementioned reasons.
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Replying To Donegalman: "If Donegal are to win it we have to beat Fermanagh, Tyrone (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely)
If Tyrone are to win it they have to beat Derry, Antrim, Donegal (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely)
If Monaghan are to win it they have to beat Cavan away, Down/Armagh and (Donegal/Tyrone most likely)
The also rans could be listed as such because of form and probability
Fermanagh have to beat Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan in all likelihood to win ulster. I would defo rule them out.
Cavan have to beat Monaghan, Down/Armagh and then Donegal/Tyrone in the final. I don't think they can do it.
Antrim have to beat Tyrone, Donegal (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely) in the final. It's beyond them.
Armagh have to beat Down away, Monaghan most likely and then Donegal/Tyrone in the final. It's tough.
Down have to beat Armagh, Monaghan (most likely) and Donegal/Tyrone in the final. This is also very hard.
Derry have got to beat Tyrone, Antrim, Donegal (most likely) and Monaghan (most likely) in the final. Not possible imo.
Sorry about the assumptions that Donegal are going to beat Fermanagh and likewise Monaghan are going to beat Cavan. This is to simplify the thread on the eye.
The only way that Fermanagh can shock donegal is by keeping it a low scoring game. I am not sure this is possible with the forwards we have both returning and in good form. They will have to beat us in a shoot out.
The only way Derry will beat Tyrone is if tyrone have an amazingly off form day that would have to go back a number of years.
The only way that Cavan will beat Monaghan is if they play their best game of football in about 10 years.
Down and Derry could be a very close game but I would not constitute it as a major shock if Down were to win it.
Antrim have no hope against either Tyrone or Derry.
The only way that Armagh or Down were to beat Monaghan would be injuries or suspensions to Monaghan. If this were the case, you could see a very hard game here in the making.
Donegal v Tyrone would be either very one sided in favour of Tyrone or a game that would go to the wire imo.
Tyrone v Monaghan in the final would be a tough battle with tyrone more than likely prevailing.
Donegal v Monaghan in the final would be a tough battle. A lot would depend on a refs interpretation of the rules in this fixture.
Armagh v Donegal could be an interesting one. Armagh v Tyrone would be a tyrone victory.
Down v Donegal I would favour donegal in this fixture. Down v tyrone I would strongly fancy tyrone in this one.
If by some miracle Cavan were to get to the final, they could have a chance as it would be their first final in 23 years and would have some traction behind them.
If by some major miracle Derry were to get to the final, they would be likely to face Monaghan, who could not be ruled out of continuing their winning ways. But Monaghan would have home advantage and this would be huge for them.
If by the greatest miracle of all time, either Antrim or Fermanagh were to clear the hurdles of Donegal and Tyrone to reach the final, they could expect their luck to run out in Clones v the home team.
To conclude, I would say it is a 95% likelihood that one of the 3 top teams will win it.
Of the remaining field, possibly either Armagh or Down, but they would have only a sliver of a hope.
Cavan, Antrim, Derry and Fermanagh have none for aforementioned reasons." I would agree with the most of that but i do think your being a bit harsh on Cavan. I dont think they will ulster but the Monaghan match will be a very tight affair . I think we will just pip the as our bench seems to be stronger.
But all in all i reckon its tyrones championship to lose .
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Replying To sam1884: "Ulster football is probably experiencing it's weakest era in 15 years. Nationally the better Ulster teams won't compete with Dublin, Kerry, Galway or Mayo when it comes to the big prizes. Donegal and Tyrone are slightly ahead of the rest but the other half of the draw is open for anyone of Down, Monaghan, Armagh or Cavan to make an Ulster final. I wouldn't write any of those teams off making it." I've seen nothing to tell me Donegal are better than Monaghan at this moment.
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Replying To farneygael: "I would agree with the most of that but i do think your being a bit harsh on Cavan. I dont think they will ulster but the Monaghan match will be a very tight affair . I think we will just pip the as our bench seems to be stronger.
But all in all i reckon its tyrones championship to lose ." Agree that Tyrone are possibly the team to beat on league and last years championship form but disagree with you on Cavan. I think that they will have to dig a performance out of nowhere to match Monaghan. But who knows? it is the ulster championship and anything can happen
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Tyrone could well walk Ulster this year and will be dangerous later in the summer. They are ahead of Galway and Kerry in the chasing pack behind Dublin, probably slightly better placed than Mayo even.
It wouldn't really matter who they meet in the final- Monaghan would have the best chance of the teams from the other side of the draw but would fall short. Cavan have not shown great progress this year, they are long overdue a big win in Ulster. But can they topple Monaghan and make a final? I have my doubts. Armagh and Down are living off old glories too.
The only hope any of these 4 have to win Ulster is a big favour from Donegal in taking out Tyrone. Minus McNiallais it is unlikely.
Prediction Tyrone to canter past Armagh in a hyped-up but disappointing final
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Replying To Gator: "I've seen nothing to tell me Donegal are better than Monaghan at this moment." When Patrick gets back up to speed you will my boy!
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