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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: ""Thankfully there aren't many" that statement alone indicates you have some knowledge of the number, when in fact you haven't, regardless of whether its your opinion or not. It indicates that your statement is a statement of fact when in fact your spoofing. "Would you say people getting paid to do a job are volunteers ? ", not even sure where or how this is relevant, but a volunteer usually performs voluntary work which means no pay. Re claims of heavy handed stewards in Croke Park, I witnessed some of the worst behaviour at the 1983 All Ireland final & in 2015 my family were subjected to a torrent of abuse from a steward, when they were in their correct seats, as for complaining to Croke Park, you might as well be pissing into the wind. In 2006 Peter Mc Kenna of Croke Park described some of the behaviour of stewards as loutish & that there would be bans. In 2008 Fr. Liam Kelleher of Cork was manhandled off the field in an appalling manner & the Cork girls were treated badly. there have been loads of incidents stated on here, are they all wrong ? Last year in PUC two elderly men from Clare were very roughly removed from the pitch. If stewards are going to physically manhandle people, the law is that they need the required training & security licence, if they don't have that, then they shouldn't be doing that role & the GAA would be subject to litigation." Apologies Uimhir, it's not my intention to be spoofing or misrepresent my opinion as fact. If stewards, manhandle people, or even put a hand on anyone in an aggressive manner, they should be prosecuted. Presumably the firm they work for would be liable and not the GAA, though I don't know. I don't doubt most instances except not many are giving the steward's point of view. Were supporters being obnoxious, possibly drunk, and first calmly asked to quieten down, or move seats before they were ejected? Even then that doesn't excuse physically removing them unless the supporter might harm themselves or others.
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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: ""Thankfully there aren't many" that statement alone indicates you have some knowledge of the number, when in fact you haven't, regardless of whether its your opinion or not. It indicates that your statement is a statement of fact when in fact your spoofing. "Would you say people getting paid to do a job are volunteers ? ", not even sure where or how this is relevant, but a volunteer usually performs voluntary work which means no pay. Re claims of heavy handed stewards in Croke Park, I witnessed some of the worst behaviour at the 1983 All Ireland final & in 2015 my family were subjected to a torrent of abuse from a steward, when they were in their correct seats, as for complaining to Croke Park, you might as well be pissing into the wind. In 2006 Peter Mc Kenna of Croke Park described some of the behaviour of stewards as loutish & that there would be bans. In 2008 Fr. Liam Kelleher of Cork was manhandled off the field in an appalling manner & the Cork girls were treated badly. there have been loads of incidents stated on here, are they all wrong ? Last year in PUC two elderly men from Clare were very roughly removed from the pitch. If stewards are going to physically manhandle people, the law is that they need the required training & security licence, if they don't have that, then they shouldn't be doing that role & the GAA would be subject to litigation." Not sure what this all has to do with the Parsons incident. I didn't see any man handling going on and i'm sure if he had the correct accreditation it would have been fine.
1983 was a different era. The incident you describe in 2015 sounds unbelievable but I believe you. I'd guess they were the volunteer stewards rather than the security. I always found the professional lads to be ok. they are very much "is your name on the list or not types" where as the amateur lads ......well the clue is in the name.
I'm sure there are bad eggs in every industry but by and large when it comes to CP Security the issue seems to be a sense of entitlement among supporters to break the rules because they are somehow different/special
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Is it not the law now? That security has to be garda vetted and PSA trained?? Stewards are security personel are they not?
The_Biler (Westmeath) - Posts: 14 - 03/04/2019 23:15:52Stewards are not the same as private security personnel.
If employed as private security you will be PSA trained but match day stewards are not necessarily PSA qualified/trained.
They will be garda vetted though
There duties are:
Crowd control - sideline duty and stand vomitories
Customer care - usher and assist patrons, disability awareness assistance, direct patrons to designated smoking areas and recycling banks
Emergency procedures - e.g. assisting with stadium evacuation
Media - assist with photographers and reporters pitch side
Match day miscellaneous - dressing rooms, players' tunnel duties, etc.
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At last years all ireland there were many Limerick supporters who attempted to go on field manhandled and hurt by over aggressive stewards which some might say was their own fault but today Tom Parsons was prevented from joining the Mayo Panel by stewards who haven't a clue who he was ??
Two other incidents i spotted today, entering the ground at Davin End a woman with 2 children was having her ruck sack pulled apart by a very heavy handed inner city looking woman, apparently the supporter hadn't declared 2 cans of fanta in her bag and was getting the third degree in front of her frightened children.
Before the hurling match a waterford slithor flew over the nets and a young lad towards the back of the stand managed to catch it, immediately some mad looking steward ran after him chasing him towards the back of stand before pulling slithor off the young lad , many people booed the steward but none challenged him as the steward looked as if he was only looking for someone to do a bit of martial arts on.
If you didn't know any better you'd think the stewards were from some loyalist housing estate in Belfast ( maybe they are!), its true for Joe Brolly Croke Park has lost touch with the grassroots, these stewards might be appropriate at rock concerts in croke park but all this heavy handedness with average GAA supporters is gone ridiculous.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 132 - 31/03/2019 20:55:30 Limerick supporters were breaking terms and conditions of their tickets and entry to ground by trying to enter pitch area. If a steward is being pushed/verbally abused are they not entitled to ensure they are not hurt.
Your description of the female steward is extremely rude.
There job is to keep fans off the pitch, I personally think fans don't have the right to enter as they please after a game. secondly, the steward didn't know him, he should of, but he didn't and he thought he was doing his job correctly
PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 286 - 31/03/2019 21:56:51Its far from keeping fans off the pitch and yes fans have no right at all to enter pitch as they please after a game and a steward shouldnt have to or should have known who Parsons was. If someone doesnt have correct accreditation then steward is right to refuse entry to pitch area
One time in Croke Park those done stewarding were gaels themselves from neighbouring clubs near Croke Park who were interested in GAA and could connect with the punters attending.
Now it seems many of the stewards have zero interest in GAA and a bit like the steward chasing the young fellow who caught the slithor yesterday actually have a dislike for GAA people. Obviously volunteer stewards are harder to get these days but hired stewards who are more at home at concerts searching for drugs or keep fans apart at a Milwall v Leeds match is hardly the answer. It smacks (no pun intended) of some heavy handed security firm have Croke parks contract these days.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 132 - 01/04/2019 09:59:50Why should stewards at an event have to have interest in the event taking place. You havent a notion about what the hired stewards are like bar blind hypotecies....
Stewards and 'bouncers' are generally a*seholes, I mean who else would do such a job? the Mayo lads should have horsed him out of the way and brought Tom onto the pitch to celebrate.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 530 - 01/04/2019 12:41:39No theyre not and horsing him out of the way adds far more trouble than anything else and would just see more restrictions in future and could lead very easily to legal action
I wasn''t allowed bring a can of coke in to the Div 4 final on Saturday. The reason i presume they would give is i might throw it at someone (Im assuming there is literally zero precedent for this ever happening in croke park). This has never happened at any other ground including Pearse Stadium, Hyde Park etc.
The cynic in me says this is purely so you have to buy a -very overpriced- coke inside the ground instead.
Very poor form from what is supposed to be an organisation by the people for the people.
kazoochka (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 01/04/2019 14:25:21 You know for sure there is zero precedent then? And it happens regularly in lots of grounds
They should not get away with keeping spectators off the pitch. They get massive resources to maintain a single pitch. Should be well able to cope with it, and Central council should stop accepting bullshit.
In Pairc Tailteann they finally let kids play on the pitch at half time. It helps make great family days out and memories, It boosts attendance, it stimulates interest in attending matches at a young age, and is a win win situation for all. If grass in navan can survive it and croke park have a problem , let them import Meath sods.
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 213 - 01/04/2019 14:47:53except pitch managers/grounds staff constantly say many extra people entering pitch and walking across it makes plenty of issues on the pitch and harder for ground to recover.
And going onto a pitch at half time or other times doesnt increase attendances
Yeah just goes to show there is good reason for it. They shouldn't sell Fanta or coke bottles in the stadium. Instead they should be poured into plastic or paper cups like you'd get in supermacs or McDonald's.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2172 - 01/04/2019 16:22:48 Cheaper for events to sell the bottles than have the pouring machines like those in Supermacs etc especially when supermacs open every day compared to a stadium.
Professional stewards, so you can confirm they have training, Garda vetting & PSA licence ?? Then you mention volunteer stewards, perhaps you can let us know what the breakdown is ??
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 02/04/2019 13:00:37 You can be a professional steward(as in paid as a steward and not have same responsibilities as those with PSA license...) and not have a PSA license.
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Replying To KillingFields: "At last years all ireland there were many Limerick supporters who attempted to go on field manhandled and hurt by over aggressive stewards which some might say was their own fault but today Tom Parsons was prevented from joining the Mayo Panel by stewards who haven't a clue who he was ??
Two other incidents i spotted today, entering the ground at Davin End a woman with 2 children was having her ruck sack pulled apart by a very heavy handed inner city looking woman, apparently the supporter hadn't declared 2 cans of fanta in her bag and was getting the third degree in front of her frightened children.
Before the hurling match a waterford slithor flew over the nets and a young lad towards the back of the stand managed to catch it, immediately some mad looking steward ran after him chasing him towards the back of stand before pulling slithor off the young lad , many people booed the steward but none challenged him as the steward looked as if he was only looking for someone to do a bit of martial arts on.
If you didn't know any better you'd think the stewards were from some loyalist housing estate in Belfast ( maybe they are!), its true for Joe Brolly Croke Park has lost touch with the grassroots, these stewards might be appropriate at rock concerts in croke park but all this heavy handedness with average GAA supporters is gone ridiculous.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 132 - 31/03/2019 20:55:30 Limerick supporters were breaking terms and conditions of their tickets and entry to ground by trying to enter pitch area. If a steward is being pushed/verbally abused are they not entitled to ensure they are not hurt.
Your description of the female steward is extremely rude.
There job is to keep fans off the pitch, I personally think fans don't have the right to enter as they please after a game. secondly, the steward didn't know him, he should of, but he didn't and he thought he was doing his job correctly
PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 286 - 31/03/2019 21:56:51Its far from keeping fans off the pitch and yes fans have no right at all to enter pitch as they please after a game and a steward shouldnt have to or should have known who Parsons was. If someone doesnt have correct accreditation then steward is right to refuse entry to pitch area
One time in Croke Park those done stewarding were gaels themselves from neighbouring clubs near Croke Park who were interested in GAA and could connect with the punters attending.
Now it seems many of the stewards have zero interest in GAA and a bit like the steward chasing the young fellow who caught the slithor yesterday actually have a dislike for GAA people. Obviously volunteer stewards are harder to get these days but hired stewards who are more at home at concerts searching for drugs or keep fans apart at a Milwall v Leeds match is hardly the answer. It smacks (no pun intended) of some heavy handed security firm have Croke parks contract these days.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 132 - 01/04/2019 09:59:50Why should stewards at an event have to have interest in the event taking place. You havent a notion about what the hired stewards are like bar blind hypotecies....
Stewards and 'bouncers' are generally a*seholes, I mean who else would do such a job? the Mayo lads should have horsed him out of the way and brought Tom onto the pitch to celebrate.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 530 - 01/04/2019 12:41:39No theyre not and horsing him out of the way adds far more trouble than anything else and would just see more restrictions in future and could lead very easily to legal action
I wasn''t allowed bring a can of coke in to the Div 4 final on Saturday. The reason i presume they would give is i might throw it at someone (Im assuming there is literally zero precedent for this ever happening in croke park). This has never happened at any other ground including Pearse Stadium, Hyde Park etc.
The cynic in me says this is purely so you have to buy a -very overpriced- coke inside the ground instead.
Very poor form from what is supposed to be an organisation by the people for the people.
kazoochka (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 01/04/2019 14:25:21 You know for sure there is zero precedent then? And it happens regularly in lots of grounds
They should not get away with keeping spectators off the pitch. They get massive resources to maintain a single pitch. Should be well able to cope with it, and Central council should stop accepting bullshit.
In Pairc Tailteann they finally let kids play on the pitch at half time. It helps make great family days out and memories, It boosts attendance, it stimulates interest in attending matches at a young age, and is a win win situation for all. If grass in navan can survive it and croke park have a problem , let them import Meath sods.
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 213 - 01/04/2019 14:47:53except pitch managers/grounds staff constantly say many extra people entering pitch and walking across it makes plenty of issues on the pitch and harder for ground to recover.
And going onto a pitch at half time or other times doesnt increase attendances
Yeah just goes to show there is good reason for it. They shouldn't sell Fanta or coke bottles in the stadium. Instead they should be poured into plastic or paper cups like you'd get in supermacs or McDonald's.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2172 - 01/04/2019 16:22:48 Cheaper for events to sell the bottles than have the pouring machines like those in Supermacs etc especially when supermacs open every day compared to a stadium.
Professional stewards, so you can confirm they have training, Garda vetting & PSA licence ?? Then you mention volunteer stewards, perhaps you can let us know what the breakdown is ??
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 02/04/2019 13:00:37 You can be a professional steward(as in paid as a steward and not have same responsibilities as those with PSA license...) and not have a PSA license." New name Ormo?
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It amazes me how often the word professionalism and paying jobs (Croke Park etc.) pop up in relation to the GAA. People making a living off the backs of the performers. Probably many of these people are in the pub buying pints ( thanks to that lad gone home with 6 stitches) and saying you can not have professionalism in the GAA. Don't begrudge them making a living. However it is some gig where the performers perform for free. O but wait they are well taking care of with meals and gear etc. Their not forced to play. Ya, that is the stuff that make the grass grow green in Texas.
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New name Ormo?
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 04/04/2019 17:29:35who is ormond?
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himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 04/04/2019 17:29:35who is ormond?" You and DonaldDuck.
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himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 04/04/2019 17:29:35who is ormond?" You and DonaldDuck."
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 04/04/2019 21:55:04
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himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 04/04/2019 17:29:35who is ormond?" You and DonaldDuck."
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 04/04/2019 21:55:46
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Killingfields-what have they put into your soup!!! You must have went to the same school/college/pub as DonaldDuck. Do you happened to watch that game that is played with the ball that is not round, but shaped like the duck egg!.
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Replying To browncows: "Killingfields-what have they put into your soup!!! You must have went to the same school/college/pub as DonaldDuck. Do you happened to watch that game that is played with the ball that is not round, but shaped like the duck egg!." Course he does..most Limerick people follow the small ball in Summer and the Duck Egg in winter.
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Replying To KillingFields: "At last years all ireland there were many Limerick supporters who attempted to go on field manhandled and hurt by over aggressive stewards which some might say was their own fault but today Tom Parsons was prevented from joining the Mayo Panel by stewards who haven't a clue who he was ??
Two other incidents i spotted today, entering the ground at Davin End a woman with 2 children was having her ruck sack pulled apart by a very heavy handed inner city looking woman, apparently the supporter hadn't declared 2 cans of fanta in her bag and was getting the third degree in front of her frightened children.
Before the hurling match a waterford slithor flew over the nets and a young lad towards the back of the stand managed to catch it, immediately some mad looking steward ran after him chasing him towards the back of stand before pulling slithor off the young lad , many people booed the steward but none challenged him as the steward looked as if he was only looking for someone to do a bit of martial arts on.
If you didn't know any better you'd think the stewards were from some loyalist housing estate in Belfast ( maybe they are!), its true for Joe Brolly Croke Park has lost touch with the grassroots, these stewards might be appropriate at rock concerts in croke park but all this heavy handedness with average GAA supporters is gone ridiculous.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 132 - 31/03/2019 20:55:30 Limerick supporters were breaking terms and conditions of their tickets and entry to ground by trying to enter pitch area. If a steward is being pushed/verbally abused are they not entitled to ensure they are not hurt.
Your description of the female steward is extremely rude.
There job is to keep fans off the pitch, I personally think fans don't have the right to enter as they please after a game. secondly, the steward didn't know him, he should of, but he didn't and he thought he was doing his job correctly
PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 286 - 31/03/2019 21:56:51Its far from keeping fans off the pitch and yes fans have no right at all to enter pitch as they please after a game and a steward shouldnt have to or should have known who Parsons was. If someone doesnt have correct accreditation then steward is right to refuse entry to pitch area
One time in Croke Park those done stewarding were gaels themselves from neighbouring clubs near Croke Park who were interested in GAA and could connect with the punters attending.
Now it seems many of the stewards have zero interest in GAA and a bit like the steward chasing the young fellow who caught the slithor yesterday actually have a dislike for GAA people. Obviously volunteer stewards are harder to get these days but hired stewards who are more at home at concerts searching for drugs or keep fans apart at a Milwall v Leeds match is hardly the answer. It smacks (no pun intended) of some heavy handed security firm have Croke parks contract these days.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 132 - 01/04/2019 09:59:50Why should stewards at an event have to have interest in the event taking place. You havent a notion about what the hired stewards are like bar blind hypotecies....
Stewards and 'bouncers' are generally a*seholes, I mean who else would do such a job? the Mayo lads should have horsed him out of the way and brought Tom onto the pitch to celebrate.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 530 - 01/04/2019 12:41:39No theyre not and horsing him out of the way adds far more trouble than anything else and would just see more restrictions in future and could lead very easily to legal action
I wasn''t allowed bring a can of coke in to the Div 4 final on Saturday. The reason i presume they would give is i might throw it at someone (Im assuming there is literally zero precedent for this ever happening in croke park). This has never happened at any other ground including Pearse Stadium, Hyde Park etc.
The cynic in me says this is purely so you have to buy a -very overpriced- coke inside the ground instead.
Very poor form from what is supposed to be an organisation by the people for the people.
kazoochka (Galway) - Posts: 113 - 01/04/2019 14:25:21 You know for sure there is zero precedent then? And it happens regularly in lots of grounds
They should not get away with keeping spectators off the pitch. They get massive resources to maintain a single pitch. Should be well able to cope with it, and Central council should stop accepting bullshit.
In Pairc Tailteann they finally let kids play on the pitch at half time. It helps make great family days out and memories, It boosts attendance, it stimulates interest in attending matches at a young age, and is a win win situation for all. If grass in navan can survive it and croke park have a problem , let them import Meath sods.
Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 213 - 01/04/2019 14:47:53except pitch managers/grounds staff constantly say many extra people entering pitch and walking across it makes plenty of issues on the pitch and harder for ground to recover.
And going onto a pitch at half time or other times doesnt increase attendances
Yeah just goes to show there is good reason for it. They shouldn't sell Fanta or coke bottles in the stadium. Instead they should be poured into plastic or paper cups like you'd get in supermacs or McDonald's.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2172 - 01/04/2019 16:22:48 Cheaper for events to sell the bottles than have the pouring machines like those in Supermacs etc especially when supermacs open every day compared to a stadium.
Professional stewards, so you can confirm they have training, Garda vetting & PSA licence ?? Then you mention volunteer stewards, perhaps you can let us know what the breakdown is ??
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 02/04/2019 13:00:37 You can be a professional steward(as in paid as a steward and not have same responsibilities as those with PSA license...) and not have a PSA license." Oh!, he's back, with a brand new name.
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himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 04/04/2019 17:29:35who is ormond?" No body mentioned "Ormond".
They said "Ormo".
Which strikes me as odd that you made such a mistake.....hhhmmmmm.....
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himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 04/04/2019 17:29:35who is ormond?" No body mentioned "Ormond". They said "Ormo". Which strikes me as odd that you made such a mistake.....hhhmmmmm....."
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 05/04/2019 19:29:30
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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 05/04/2019 23:42:30
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Replying To KillingFields: "That is nonsense and mayo players or anyone else forcibly moving a steward to get someone onto the pitch would cause more trouble than anything else
disgraceful post from you threatening physical action on matchday staff/volunteer." These guys aren't volunteers, they are well paid for their days work.....unfortunately I have experience dealing with them at games held in our own ground and majority of them are absolute pr@cks on an ego trip ......the days of the volunteer steward at Croker are long gone and the new breed they have replaced them with are anything but GAA people
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 05/04/2019 23:53:44
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For me the stewards are the GAA volunteers who would let you know where your seats are. Security are the paid people in visivests working for a security firm preventing unauthorized people from getting onto the pitch, access to areas that are closed for the game etc.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4995 - 05/04/2019 23:42:30Stewards help prevent people from getting on pitch and gaining access to areas closed for a game. Thats part of their duties
These guys aren't volunteers, they are well paid for their days work.....unfortunately I have experience dealing with them at games held in our own ground and majority of them are absolute pr@cks on an ego trip ......the days of the volunteer steward at Croker are long gone and the new breed they have replaced them with are anything but GAA people
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 645 - 05/04/2019 23:53:44stewards are volunteers link
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 06/04/2019 10:13:12
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Killingfields it has been clearly spelled out for you above. Please stop infecting the thread as you always do under all of your many identities. There are volunteer stewards and there are paid stewards in Croke Park on match day.
Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 943 - 06/04/2019 10:34:24
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