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it is creeping in badly to the game. players have mastered the "fall into the player,fall to the ground",or to initiate contact and then fall over theatrically,or to lower your head and connect with a player. it has potential to wreck our game.a player is entitled to stand his ground is always my view. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 24/03/2019 14:29:34 2174695 Link
Replying To perfect10: "it is creeping in badly to the game. players have mastered the "fall into the player,fall to the ground",or to initiate contact and then fall over theatrically,or to lower your head and connect with a player. it has potential to wreck our game.a player is entitled to stand his ground is always my view." It is an integral part of the game. That and rucks. Pulling on the ball overhead or on the ground is almost dead on the other hand. I have been to some cracking club hurling games recently (Junior A, Intermediate) in Cork. Great games with plenty of action,ball in play etc. I love hurling like this. Modern intercounty hurling has the best, most skilful hurlers and is evolving. I am not sure I like it too much though still interested in the outcomes so to speak . Rarely go to a Cork game and usually only watch highlights of games. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 24/03/2019 21:07:37 2174973 Link
Replying To perfect10: "it is creeping in badly to the game. players have mastered the "fall into the player,fall to the ground",or to initiate contact and then fall over theatrically,or to lower your head and connect with a player. it has potential to wreck our game.a player is entitled to stand his ground is always my view." I thought it was just me that was thinking this way. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 26/03/2019 19:03:33 2175631 Link
not surprising that hurling people dont reply to a thread like this,they dont like anything which doesnt fit the "men of honour" mantra..... perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 26/03/2019 20:54:13 2175665 Link
There is diving, no doubt about it. Always was. The refs are just too poor to pick it up usually. One of the biggest crimes is dropping your head when being tackled to get your marker carded . It shouldn't be a foul if you lower your head. I could name a few terrible divers ...but I wont. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 26/03/2019 21:47:05 2175690 Link
Galway are the masters of this carry on IMO ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 27/03/2019 11:16:28 2175773 Link
Have to agree that it is definitely creeping into the game. Diving alone with throwing the ball/illegal hand-passing are two rules being flouted big time in recent years. Also throwing the ball to keep it in play i.e. a player is advancing up the sideline and sees an opposition player closing on him and as soon as he realises he's about to be put over the line he'll throw the ball out in front of himself two or three yards and try dodge the tackle then. It's always let go under the pretence that he was simply throwing the ball out to land on the hurl to continue the solo run even though it's plain as day he's never getting the hurl to it. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 27/03/2019 11:43:54 2175778 Link
I said it at the time on another thread but the Tony Kelly red card against Tipp when he ran into Padraig Maher was embarrassing. The two men dived, very theatrically, and nothing was mentioned. It was cringe to watch. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 27/03/2019 12:15:22 2175788 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "Have to agree that it is definitely creeping into the game. Diving alone with throwing the ball/illegal hand-passing are two rules being flouted big time in recent years. Also throwing the ball to keep it in play i.e. a player is advancing up the sideline and sees an opposition player closing on him and as soon as he realises he's about to be put over the line he'll throw the ball out in front of himself two or three yards and try dodge the tackle then. It's always let go under the pretence that he was simply throwing the ball out to land on the hurl to continue the solo run even though it's plain as day he's never getting the hurl to it." Players have been doing this for years. King Sheflin was very good at soloing and throwing the ball in front of himself in pretense of loss of control only to pickup speed and regain possession. If you are going to get shouldered over the sideline then I suppose you have to at least drop the ball. Its the difference between a drop and a throw thats questionable. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 27/03/2019 18:09:16 2175869 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "I said it at the time on another thread but the Tony Kelly red card against Tipp when he ran into Padraig Maher was embarrassing. The two men dived, very theatrically, and nothing was mentioned. It was cringe to watch." there was another incident in that match where the tipp wing back,was coming out with the ball,became engulfed in clare players,and threw himself theatrically to the ground.i cant remember if it was a free or not. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 28/03/2019 09:32:09 2175963 Link
I think there's a problem alright but it's not necessarily diving it's lads charging and instead of getting penalised there getting frees Worst culprits that come to mind are Conor whelan, paudie Maher, Maurice shanahan, liam rushe, Colin fennelly and paddy deegan bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 28/03/2019 21:31:27 2176091 Link
Spot on Perfect10 Watched a nice bit of the league and I think its getting worse. Players are well aware that a free in the right place is a point 95% of the time. Johnny Ryan has to be the worst ref to fall for diving. Watch the Cork and Clare game and some of the free's he gave embarrassing. Dont know how is allowed to ref at that level. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 29/03/2019 11:30:45 2176173 Link
Just seen Munster dive their way into a semi final when you see it in rugby then you know we no hope in gaa. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/03/2019 15:00:30 2176395 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Just seen Munster dive their way into a semi final when you see it in rugby then you know we no hope in gaa." Haha you cant beat the Dubs for a laugh..all that coddle is gone to your Noggin'. Great win for Munster but Leinster robbed a gallant Ulster by planting loyal Jackeens in their ranks. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 30/03/2019 20:05:12 2176457 Link
I'd dive too after being mauled by 3-5 spare hands, knowing it won't be blown or more likely to be blown for over-carrying. I can't fathom how you get called for over-carrying when you're essentially being held in a full-nelson. To the person saying Colin Fennelly is a diver? WHAT? Now that R. Power is gone Colin is the most fouled, dragged back hurler in the game. Eoin Larkin was also a huge target but Colin is nearly always fouled & rarely is on the ground so not sure where the diving accusations come from. Refs are terrible across the board but till there's 2 on the pitch, they'll never be able to do their job. Even wrestling has 2 refs! Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 31/03/2019 14:57:18 2176636 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "It is an integral part of the game. That and rucks. Pulling on the ball overhead or on the ground is almost dead on the other hand. I have been to some cracking club hurling games recently (Junior A, Intermediate) in Cork. Great games with plenty of action,ball in play etc. I love hurling like this. Modern intercounty hurling has the best, most skilful hurlers and is evolving. I am not sure I like it too much though still interested in the outcomes so to speak . Rarely go to a Cork game and usually only watch highlights of games." I've definitely enjoyed intermediate club, camogie, Fitzgibbon much more than senior IC in recent years. Ulster hurling & camogie is much more a part & enjoy that aspect very much. Love to see camogie allow a bit more tackling but some of the best games I've seen have been intermediate club camogie. IC camogie is too start/stop. Still the greatest game out there. Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 31/03/2019 15:04:50 2176638 Link
I misread an earlier post & replied to what I'd thought I read. The comment was acussing certain players w/charging but in my reply concerning Colin Fennelly I was replying to what I'd thought was an accusation of diving. Still disagree but less than if it had been referring to diving. No edit button here. Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 31/03/2019 15:43:03 2176645 Link