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Replying To Gleebo: "Didn't say it was all down to JOM, but funny how they didn't win any Sams immediately before or after his tenure...
O'Mahony took Mayo to their first senior final in 38 years, managed them to an U-21 All-Ireland win and won a Nestor Cup with Leitrim, so aside from a bad second spell with Mayo in which he had political distractions, I don't think it's a credible argument to say he was a bad manager.
Refusing him any credit is simply churlish." You stated in your original comment that I replied to that there may have have been no All-Ireland's in that period only for O'Mahony. Which is hardly credible, good manager though he was. And you then went onto cite the fact that there have been no All-Ireland's since for us as confirmation of that.
I was fortunate enough to know a member of your '50 and '51 teams who made the following observations at the time:
1. That any good manager should have won an All-Ireland with those players and
2. That many of those players were once in a generation footballers.
No.2 is the reason why we've won nothing since. It's also the reason why good manager though he was, JOM didn't win the All-Ireland in his 2nd spell with Mayo as the same amount of talent just wasn't there that he had in his time with Galway. Political distractions can't hide that fact.
Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 859 - 27/02/2019 20:06:40
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Replying To Gleebo: "Much like Galway have been missing from September ever since, I suppose!
And let me remind you that Mayo have won their last adult football All-Ireland more recently than Galway. But that doesn't suit your narrative, so you'll probably run it down.
Maybe Galway's fairweather support will even deign to travel the hour or so up to Castlebar, you never know." They would have won them without O'Mahony. That was a magic Galway team. Absolutely class footballers. O'Mahony showed how good his coaching abilities were when he returned to Mayo after the county board shafted Mickey Moran. He did it to get elected. He should have been out the end of his first summer after the Salthill massacre. A nice man I'm sure and good luck to his political career but I don't get the argument that he was a good coach.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 28/02/2019 10:54:09
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Replying To GreenandRed: "They would have won them without O'Mahony. That was a magic Galway team. Absolutely class footballers. O'Mahony showed how good his coaching abilities were when he returned to Mayo after the county board shafted Mickey Moran. He did it to get elected. He should have been out the end of his first summer after the Salthill massacre. A nice man I'm sure and good luck to his political career but I don't get the argument that he was a good coach." The fact is that Galway won the All Ireland with JOM as manager. He was the right man at the right time. They were great footballers and he brought out the best in them. It's not a case of one or the other.
Life has moved on since then.
Here are some stats re winning and losing All Irelands if Wiki is to be relied on.
The number of All Irelands won and lost and the last year an All Ireland was won:
Football
Galway - won 7 (2001) lost 13
Mayo - won 3 (1951) lost 13
Galway hurling
Won 5 (2017) lost 20
Waterford 2 (1959) lost 5 .
Football and Hurling combined:
Galway have won: 12
Galway have lost: 33
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 28/02/2019 11:38:32
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Replying To Pericles: "A poster from Laois (named Cully) put this up in 2010 (PUC and one or two others may now be a bit different):
Rk County......... Name.................................. Len. x Wid. Tot. Area
01 Tipperary..... Semple Stadium................. 145 x 90 13,050
01 Galway......... Pearse Stadium................. 145 x 90 13,050
01 Antrim.......... Casement Park.................. 145 x 90 13,050
01 Roscommon.. Dr Hyde Park..................... 145 x 90 13,050
01 Clare............ Cusack Park....................... 145 x 90 13,050
01 Offaly............ O'Connor Park................... 145 x 90 13,050
01 Donegal........ McCumhaill Park................ 145 x 90 13,050
08 Sligo............. Markievicz Park.................. 142 x 90 12,780
09 Kilkenny........ Nowlan Park...................... 145 x 88 12,760
09 Cork.............. Pairc Ui Rinn...................... 145 x 88 12,760
11 Dublin........... Croke Park........................ 145 x 88 12,716
12 Cork.............. Pairc Ui Chaoimh............... 144 x 88 12,672
13 Carlow.......... Dr Cullen Park................... 145 x 87 12,615
14 Armagh......... Athletic Grounds................ 143 x 88 12,584
15 Wicklow......... O'Byrne Park.................... 145 x 86 12,470
16 Mionaghan.... St Tiernach's Park............. 142 x 87 12,354
17 Wexford........ Wexford Park.................... 142 x 87 12,311
18 Leitrim.......... Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada.. 142 x 87 12,300
19 Laois............ O'Moore Park..................... 142 x 86 12,212
19 Tyrone.......... Healy Park......................... 142 x 86 12,212
21 Cavan.......... Breffni Park........................ 143 x 86 12,184
22 Longford....... Pearse Park...................... 138 x 88 12,144
23 Fermanagh.. Brewster Park.................... 145 x 83 12,035
24 Kerry............ Fitzgerald Stadium............. 144 x 82 11,808
25 Meath.......... Pairc Tailteann.................... 135 x 87 11,745
26 Derry........... Celtic Park ..........................138 x 84 11,614
27 Dublin.......... Parnell Park....................... 141 x 82 11,562
28 Westmeath.. Cusack Park...................... 140x 82 11,514
29 Louth........... Drogheda Park................... 138 x 83 11,437
30 Waterford..... Walsh Park........................ 142 x 80 11,360
31 Limerick....... Gaelic Grounds................... 137 x 82 11,234
31 Mayo........... McHale Park....................... 137 x 82 11,234
33 Down.......... Pairc Esler.......................... 138 x 81 11,120
34 Kildare......... St Conleths Park................ 135 x 80 10,706
Mayo don't play all that well in McHale Park given their preference for fairly open football. You can see too why Kildare were so determined to keep the game in Newbridge last summer... big difference between Conleth's and Croker." I find it hard to believe that Markievicz park in Sligo the same width as Croke Park and just three yrds shorter
mayomanic (Mayo) - Posts: 85 - 28/02/2019 11:41:08
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Replying To baire: "The fact is that Galway won the All Ireland with JOM as manager. He was the right man at the right time. They were great footballers and he brought out the best in them. It's not a case of one or the other.
Life has moved on since then.
Here are some stats re winning and losing All Irelands if Wiki is to be relied on.
The number of All Irelands won and lost and the last year an All Ireland was won:
Football
Galway - won 7 (2001) lost 13
Mayo - won 3 (1951) lost 13
Galway hurling
Won 5 (2017) lost 20
Waterford 2 (1959) lost 5 .
Football and Hurling combined:
Galway have won: 12
Galway have lost: 33" Would it be fair to say that no other County hurling or football have lost more than 20 All Ireland finals except the Galway hurlers
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 28/02/2019 12:45:28
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Replying To baire: "The fact is that Galway won the All Ireland with JOM as manager. He was the right man at the right time. They were great footballers and he brought out the best in them. It's not a case of one or the other.
Life has moved on since then.
Here are some stats re winning and losing All Irelands if Wiki is to be relied on.
The number of All Irelands won and lost and the last year an All Ireland was won:
Football
Galway - won 7 (2001) lost 13
Mayo - won 3 (1951) lost 13
Galway hurling
Won 5 (2017) lost 20
Waterford 2 (1959) lost 5 .
Football and Hurling combined:
Galway have won: 12
Galway have lost: 33" Ah lads Galway have 9 football All Ireland's not 7 (1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001), 3rd in the roll of honor and 3 times as many as Mayo.
Don't believe Wikipedia for everything !!!
Fr_Tod_Unctious (Galway) - Posts: 94 - 28/02/2019 13:47:14
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Replying To baire: "The fact is that Galway won the All Ireland with JOM as manager. He was the right man at the right time. They were great footballers and he brought out the best in them. It's not a case of one or the other.
Life has moved on since then.
Here are some stats re winning and losing All Irelands if Wiki is to be relied on.
The number of All Irelands won and lost and the last year an All Ireland was won:
Football
Galway - won 7 (2001) lost 13
Mayo - won 3 (1951) lost 13
Galway hurling
Won 5 (2017) lost 20
Waterford 2 (1959) lost 5 .
Football and Hurling combined:
Galway have won: 12
Galway have lost: 33" Galway have 9 football All Irelands, not 7.
25, 34, 38, 56, 64, 65, 66, 98, 01. We're 3rd on the roll of honour, a long long way behind the top 2.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 28/02/2019 14:07:55
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Replying To katser: "Would it be fair to say that no other County hurling or football have lost more than 20 All Ireland finals except the Galway hurlers" Kerry have lost 22 All-Ireland football finals. Admittedly they do have a bit of a better ratio than the Galway hurlers though. :)
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 28/02/2019 14:11:44
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Replying To baire: "The fact is that Galway won the All Ireland with JOM as manager. He was the right man at the right time. They were great footballers and he brought out the best in them. It's not a case of one or the other.
Life has moved on since then.
Here are some stats re winning and losing All Irelands if Wiki is to be relied on.
The number of All Irelands won and lost and the last year an All Ireland was won:
Football
Galway - won 7 (2001) lost 13
Mayo - won 3 (1951) lost 13
Galway hurling
Won 5 (2017) lost 20
Waterford 2 (1959) lost 5 .
Football and Hurling combined:
Galway have won: 12
Galway have lost: 33" Wiki not to be relied on, Galway have 9 all-irelands in football.
Blackberry (Galway) - Posts: 23 - 28/02/2019 14:12:42
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Replying To WanPintWin: "Kerry have lost 22 All-Ireland football finals. Admittedly they do have a bit of a better ratio than the Galway hurlers though. :)" Also i think kilkenny have lost 25 in the hurling but they have contested 61.
Blackberry (Galway) - Posts: 23 - 28/02/2019 14:25:59
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Replying To WanPintWin: "Kerry have lost 22 All-Ireland football finals. Admittedly they do have a bit of a better ratio than the Galway hurlers though. :)" Wow! Have Kerry squandered that many all ireland finals and all they have won! I loves me county but losing 20 all ireland finals isn't good!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 28/02/2019 14:37:07
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Replying To mayomanic: "I find it hard to believe that Markievicz park in Sligo the same width as Croke Park and just three yrds shorter" You'll need to take it up with Cully, Mayomaniac, assuming he's still in good health and posting on HS. Maybe a Sligo poster can confirm if the Park stats are accurate..?
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 28/02/2019 15:28:24
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Would Galway win an All-Ireland with a different manager?
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We might see a bit of Mayo reaction this wknd I think.
I've been critical of Galway's approach under Walsh as I don't think he's getting the best out of that squad imo but to be fair they are usually quite difficult to beat.
Too close to call for me.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 28/02/2019 21:05:19
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Galway team for sat v mayo
1. Ruairí Lavelle
2. Eoghan Kerin
3. Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh
4. David Wynne
5. Gary O Donnell
6. Gareth Bradshaw
7. Johnny Heaney
8. Thomas Flynn
9. Ciaran Duggan
10. Michael Daly
11. Johnny Duane
12. Eamonn Brannigan
13. Barry McHugh
14. Pádraic Cunningham
15. Antaine Ó Laoi
First game for brannigan could well see
Paul conroy make an appearance as well.
Cornetto2 (Galway) - Posts: 165 - 28/02/2019 22:45:59
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Replying To tommy132: "Would Galway win an All-Ireland with a different manager?" No
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 28/02/2019 23:36:35
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I think this is a game that could be potentially damaging for Mayo's mindset if they lose, but I don't think they will, Galway are very iffy at the moment but they like beating Mayo are should be very well up for it. I was amazed at Mayo's lack of fire last week. I was never one for connecting league and championship but the landscape has changed somewhat since my day.
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Replying To Cornetto2: "Galway team for sat v mayo
1. Ruairí Lavelle
2. Eoghan Kerin
3. Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh
4. David Wynne
5. Gary O Donnell
6. Gareth Bradshaw
7. Johnny Heaney
8. Thomas Flynn
9. Ciaran Duggan
10. Michael Daly
11. Johnny Duane
12. Eamonn Brannigan
13. Barry McHugh
14. Pádraic Cunningham
15. Antaine Ó Laoi
First game for brannigan could well see
Paul conroy make an appearance as well." Kevin Walsh already confirmed he's out for the rest of the league unless he's playing games.
JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 01/03/2019 10:28:27
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Replying To realdub: "I think this is a game that could be potentially damaging for Mayo's mindset if they lose, but I don't think they will, Galway are very iffy at the moment but they like beating Mayo are should be very well up for it. I was amazed at Mayo's lack of fire last week. I was never one for connecting league and championship but the landscape has changed somewhat since my day." Iffy? Beaten by Dublin and only beaten by Kerry by a point does not iffy make. I don't think we're world beaters by any stretch, but calling us iffy, when for the last two years we've been fairly consistent in the league is off the mark.
As to who will win? A lot depends on which Mayo shows up. If they play like they did against Dublin, there'll be no contest. If they play like they did against Tyrone, it should be a much tighter affair. Still think we'll shade it though, but I really expect it not to be a spectacle for the neutral; it has been a while since a Galway vs Mayo game produced a show case.
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Replying To festinog: "Iffy? Beaten by Dublin and only beaten by Kerry by a point does not iffy make. I don't think we're world beaters by any stretch, but calling us iffy, when for the last two years we've been fairly consistent in the league is off the mark.
As to who will win? A lot depends on which Mayo shows up. If they play like they did against Dublin, there'll be no contest. If they play like they did against Tyrone, it should be a much tighter affair. Still think we'll shade it though, but I really expect it not to be a spectacle for the neutral; it has been a while since a Galway vs Mayo game produced a show case." Wet and windy night promised for Castlebar. Galway don't seem to want to score and Mayo don't seem able to score, so a six points apiece draw. Hopefully the ladies match might be exciting!
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