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Yesterday's decision will ensure that Dublin play their neutral & home game at Croke Park, the semi finals will also be there regardless. End of this story now forever as only 34% of the vote had the bottle to vote NO. It will be nice to see it coming back to bite some of these counties in the a#se that voted no. Fair play to the Dubs, record funding, record sponsorship, majority of games in Croke Park, majority of officials now from Dublin or Dublin club men from GPA to President. John Costello has maximised every angle, the other counties can only blame themselves & their gutless delegates who are afraid to rock the boat in case they upset their chances of future votes or committee appointments.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 24/02/2019 23:56:16 2167794 Link 4 |
Likely would have faced unfavourable croke park treatment had they voted in favour of the Donegal motion. We will never know for sure, but I think a wexford poster spelt it out quite well earlier how it all works behind the scenes.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/02/2019 23:57:14 2167795 Link 1 |
The motion was wrong to begin with. Had it succeeded Dublin would still have played two super 8 games in Dublin, one in CP and on in PP. Instead the vote should have targeted the Croke Park neutral venue designation in the super 8 rules and simply changed this to neutral venue. This would have pitted Dublin v X in Semple or somewhere. To be honest I think most counties would prefer to play Dublin "away" at Croke Park, surroundings that most are familiar with, than away at Parnell Park where the crowd are breathing down your neck.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 25/02/2019 08:54:33 2167835 Link 0 |
i don't think the croke park neutral game is a problem for most but the croke park home game is. parnell park should be used as the home game. really, dublin should have a 25000-30000 seater somewhere else in dublin which would solve all problems for the home fixture but they dont and if it comes to parnell park (low gate receipts) or croke park (potentially massive gate receipts depending on the opposition) then the gaa will always go for croke park. the dublin team or fans well show up anywhere for this fixture and will just get on with it. unfortunately, the gaa have always been money hungry and this is just another example of how they haven't changed superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 25/02/2019 09:52:37 2167860 Link 1 |
If Kildare and Dublin are drawn in the same super eights group, with Kildares designated home game against Dublin, does this mean that Dublin will play all their super 8 games in Croker? gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 25/02/2019 10:04:32 2167863 Link 0 |
Not sure it is entirely gate receipts, its premium tickets and corporote boxes the match day revenue that creates, Tv deals etc all sold on the back of Dublin in Croke Park.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 25/02/2019 10:08:19 2167867 Link 4 |
If Kildare were forced to nominate a home venue that wasn't Conleths it'd nearly certainly be Tullamore, not Croker
Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 25/02/2019 10:20:54 2167875 Link 2 |
this whole thing stinks of a set up!!! three other delegates (Meath and wexford) got up and supported the GAA in allowing dublin play their neutral game in croke park!! why did they feel the need to stand up and support? yet not one delegate supported Donegals motion. yet i haven't spoken to any GAA person who hasn't at the very least questioned Dublins playing of neutral games in croke park. the rules aren't transparent. Kildare were being almost bullied into playing in croke park last year against Mayo until there was a mini revolt. theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 25/02/2019 10:59:29 2167899 Link 3 |
It is exactly that. Turkeys voting for Christmas. There is an incentive for them. Wonder what that could be?
Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 25/02/2019 11:49:17 2167925 Link 2 |
Even Joe Brolly backing what they were saying about it being a mean spirited motion by Donegal..Its very annoying how they have changed the whole thing from any County not playing a neutral game in there designated home stadium. like no one would think it fair for, IF Mayo got to the super 8s, to play in Mchale park twice. it had nothing to do with getting Dublin out of croke park or not having it as there home stadium, everyone has accepted that. tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 601 - 25/02/2019 12:58:35 2167969 Link 1 |
Wexford and Meath will have skin in the game on this issue as will Kildare ironically. If Dublin decline in football and Meath and Kildare win Leinsters and start playing S8's games, i don think its impossible that maybe their home games could be in Croker as well, both used Croke Park regularly when they were going for All Irelands. Wexford to, its not that long ago since they were in a Leinster final in football and they have the pedigree in Hurling too. So i can understand some Leinster counties not backing the motion. For what its worth i agree with the popular narrative Dublin shouldn't get two games in Croke park. I'm curious to see though will anything be done, to circumvent congress. I mean in the last year Kildare had a go at the administration and garnered public support successfully. Surely the same thing could happen here. Sadly i think it will die a death now and only come up again during the S8's when some unfortunate county is on a good run and realise there is a disadvantage in their group. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 25/02/2019 13:23:27 2167980 Link 6 |
Fact is when the top people I in the GAA see Dublin what they really see is €€€€€€€ not Dublin's fault, redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 25/02/2019 13:59:59 2167996 Link 1 |
Money talks more like.
Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 25/02/2019 14:23:05 2168015 Link 1 |
Democracy? Sham democracy more like.
Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 25/02/2019 14:29:02 2168023 Link 2 |
Transparency jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/02/2019 16:37:16 2168073 Link 4 |
Revealing the demographs of the vote would be pointless. No delegate is going to admit that they were advised to vote for the motion the night before the vote on the grounds that there would be financial consequences as a result of their voting for the donegal motion. Instead we are stuck with a lame narrative about 'not being scared to play the dubs in their own back yard'. Very disappointing and misleading in general. Dublin players or supporters have no say in this. Nor do most of the very many gaa members on the ground. Its now out of the control of grass roots.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 25/02/2019 17:08:57 2168083 Link 1 |
In fairness though the Donegal motion still would have given Dublin two Super 8 games at home. 1 in Parnell and 1 in Croker. To be fair to the delegates it's easy enough to see why they'd vote that down, it doesn't make it anymore equal and it decreases revenue. It was a silly motion. There should have been a motion to make sure every team that qualifies for the Super 8s gets one game at home, one away and one at neutral venue outside their own county boundaries. It's very hard to argue against a motion like that. But the Donegal motion made it really easy to vote against as it decreased revenue for nothing. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 25/02/2019 18:09:43 2168101 Link 3 |
Grassroots is now just a much used cliche in the GAA. Only one motion of the 43 that got through was from a club/county, that speaks volume in itself. The CPA that represents club players posted a very direct response online to a claim made at Congress by John Horan, it would be great to see it clarified. The CPA were ridiculed in a very nasty manner last year publicly by delegates & they aren't even recognised by the GAA, that also speaks volumes. Either they are in or there not, if not, there isn't much point in being a GAA member, join a sport that will recognise its membership base. Even the GPA golden boys got a couple of smack downs by delegates this year. How many delegates don't vote as per direction by their county ("the grassroots") we don't know as they voted the motion on transparency down by 84%. Only those who have something to hide in life fear transparency. The Director General gave us the usual cliche we have been hearing from the top two officials in the Association this weekend about clubs being the centre of the GAA, yet they have created an U20 Inter County league, allowed U 20 players play both U20 & Senior, created extra C'ship games through the Super 8's, have relaxed the rule & punishment on the training camp farce we saw this year where the dog ate my homework excuses were believed, failed to reply to the CPA proposals on fixture scheduling, it's all empty rhetoric from the top two officials past & present in the last two years. Grassroots was never so far from having an input into the GAA, power is now concentrated to a chosen few in Croke Park & Central Council level. People are now so disllusioned by the political shenanigans that they don't want to engage or take part & this is felt right the way down to local level. You reap what you sow. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 25/02/2019 19:14:39 2168123 Link 1 |
1 reason riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 25/02/2019 19:57:56 2168138 Link 0 |
Is there any plans for Dublin to develop a 30,000capacity stadium? rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 25/02/2019 20:10:40 2168141 Link 0 |