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Donegal's Motion Fails

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I'm not surprised at all by this, it shows the direction the GAA is taking and it is not a good one. Croke Park was rebuilt with the intent of being the National stadium of the GAA, not the plaything of Dublin GAA, meanwhile Dublin bring forward no plan, no idea and in fact no intention of redeveloping or developing an existing or new ground fit for their needs, but why would they, they are content to spend thousands renting Croke Park for league matches where you can experience the awe of 14'000 odd supporters as recently seen v Galway and pay exhorbitant prices for food and drink. And god forbid you open your mouth to question this improper use of our GAA stadium or you run the risk of being burned at the stake by he witch hunting Dubs, opinions are no longer valid and some within the GAA are now so brainwashed they have completely lost the capacity for independent thought. One home game, one away game and one Croke Park game, that ever so simple concept can not be grasped by our legislators, try fail to see anything wrong with the current situation and then we have the great scribe that is John Costelloe, calling the mere thought of discussing this matter as "mean spirited", get on your bike John and start developing a fit for purpose home ground for your county like every other county has to do, Dublin have the cake and are eating it and the minions are happy to wipe their mouths afterwards.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/02/2019 14:15:43    2167492

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Really poor decision by most county delegates from around the country.

They essentially chose money over fairness. I'm not really surprised to be honest, thought this was going to be the outcome after speaking to a delegate in the week. Told me the motion would never pass, I was surprised at the time.

Will those involved at grassroots as club delegates be raising this with their county boards at their county board meeting? In this case delegates and county boards should be held accountable if people are upset.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 24/02/2019 14:32:59    2167497

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "All this talk about Donegal putting the wrong wording forward is nonsense & a smokescreen for what is a sad episode.

If the alternative motion had been put forward with real neutral venues being used then even fewer games would be played in Croker & that really wouldn't do at all.

God, when I think about how I believed all that nonsense about us all being in it together & about the GAA being the glue that holds the country together & about how being there was the only way to support my county, little did I realise that all they wanted was to pick my pocket as often as possible.

Of course Ireland being Ireland the money men had no difficulty in finding plenty of volunteers to take the short sighted view & toe the management line. After all most county delegates are nothing but pale imitations of the top dogs & would sell their own mothers for a fiver.

After 50 years supporting my county I'm finished with the whole crooked corrupt lot of them & will confine my support to my club from here on in."
But the Donegal motion would've meant Dublin still getting 2 home games. One in Croker and one in PP.

Why are people shocked that people voted against that motion?

The real questions are why Donegal brought a motion to make sure Dublin were given 2 home games in the Super 8s? Bizarre. And why no other county is actually bothered enough to bring an actual motion to Congress to ensure parity?

The other 31 counties have all the power but they seem to be taking their lead from the Leinster counties with their continuation of the inability to organise a party in a brewery.

In the words of Thom Yorke: "you do it to yourself, just you, you and no one else, you do it to yourself".

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 24/02/2019 15:00:46    2167500

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A venue should not be considered "neutral" if it is situated within one of the competing counties. That is something I'm sure everyone can agree on. Motion 39 did not tackle that issue at all, it petitioned for Croke Park not to be considered Dublin's (or any other countie's) home venue, which probably isn't for the best. Therefore yes, it was the wording that failed Donegals motion, not corruption or greed.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 24/02/2019 15:36:55    2167506

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Replying To MesAmis:  "But the Donegal motion would've meant Dublin still getting 2 home games. One in Croker and one in PP.

Why are people shocked that people voted against that motion?

The real questions are why Donegal brought a motion to make sure Dublin were given 2 home games in the Super 8s? Bizarre. And why no other county is actually bothered enough to bring an actual motion to Congress to ensure parity?

The other 31 counties have all the power but they seem to be taking their lead from the Leinster counties with their continuation of the inability to organise a party in a brewery.

In the words of Thom Yorke: "you do it to yourself, just you, you and no one else, you do it to yourself"."
You are unusual in that you are acknowledging Croke Park is a home game for Dublin. It is, after all, supposed to be the national (and therefore, "neutral") stadium. (smile)

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 24/02/2019 16:35:59    2167544

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Has every single person on this forum got amnesia? Donegal questioned the 'neutral' game (as it was originally framed) last year and were dismissed as it was set in stone for 3 years that it was a 'Croke Park' game. It was a great bait and switch by Padraic Duffy at the time. So they had no choice but to challenge the home game.

Anyway, the decision speaks volumes about the priorities of the GAA. And despite how some of the media would like this to be framed, this is not about Dublin, its about highlighting the seemingly infinite greed of the top brass at the GAA. The fact that 83% voted against the transparency of votes last year also speaks volumes about how the organisation is run

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 24/02/2019 16:36:36    2167545

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Replying To MesAmis:  "But the Donegal motion would've meant Dublin still getting 2 home games. One in Croker and one in PP.

Why are people shocked that people voted against that motion?

The real questions are why Donegal brought a motion to make sure Dublin were given 2 home games in the Super 8s? Bizarre. And why no other county is actually bothered enough to bring an actual motion to Congress to ensure parity?

The other 31 counties have all the power but they seem to be taking their lead from the Leinster counties with their continuation of the inability to organise a party in a brewery.

In the words of Thom Yorke: "you do it to yourself, just you, you and no one else, you do it to yourself"."
You are unusual in that you are acknowledging Croke Park is a home game for Dublin. It is, after all, supposed to be the national (and therefore, "neutral") stadium. (smile)

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 24/02/2019 16:41:14    2167547

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "You are unusual in that you are acknowledging Croke Park is a home game for Dublin. It is, after all, supposed to be the national (and therefore, "neutral") stadium. (smile)"
Sure it's in Ballybough! Of course it's a home game.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 24/02/2019 17:04:36    2167555

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There needs to be common sense approach to this..if Dublin are playing Mayo or Kerry then yes have it in Croke Park...35,000 there last night between two of the best supported teams.

If Dublin are playing Galway or Cavan for example at home then Parnell Park is probably sufficient to hold the crowd.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 24/02/2019 17:56:26    2167595

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So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 24/02/2019 20:33:46    2167685

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So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 24/02/2019 20:35:44    2167687

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So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 24/02/2019 21:28:56    2167720

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?"
I think you know the answer to that one

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 24/02/2019 21:36:55    2167730

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?"
Can you say that again? Didn't quite catch that.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 24/02/2019 21:54:37    2167740

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Two words for the delegates who voted down Donegal' s motion: Gutless cowards.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2990 - 24/02/2019 22:13:05    2167754

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?"
I don't know. Maybe put it to a vote at congress. It's a democracy afterall.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 24/02/2019 22:15:54    2167756

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Replying To yew_tree:  "There needs to be common sense approach to this..if Dublin are playing Mayo or Kerry then yes have it in Croke Park...35,000 there last night between two of the best supported teams.

If Dublin are playing Galway or Cavan for example at home then Parnell Park is probably sufficient to hold the crowd."
Common sense ? … GAA ?

Would you give over for god sake lol!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 24/02/2019 22:59:51    2167777

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "So now it has been acknowledged that croke park is now Dublin's home ground..it was set in stone yesterday that croke park is now Dublin's home ground...so when it comes to an all Ireland semi final or indeed final involving Dublin will they continue to have home advantage of will the game be played at a neutral venue?"
No that is not true. If delegates voted for that they are mad, but it is not what was voted on, Donegal went at it all wrong and have ended up making the situation worse. The fundamental problem for the GAA is date receipts, they were down 2018 and they will be seriously down if Dublin are moved from Croke park this affects GAA revenue. BUT, maybe the GAA can throw us a few million and we will build a stadium 30+, but the GAA has blocked it time and again. Parnell Park is out of the question for Super 8s (just because Kildare are happy to play in a glorified car park doesn't mean we are).

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 24/02/2019 23:23:24    2167787

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Does that mean Dublin will have to maintain crokepark so?

I suppose that's Kildare with no home game in the super 8s or if they give it a lick of paint will that constitute maintenance?"
You will need more than a lick of paint to qualify St Conlaith's it is probably worst ground in the country.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 24/02/2019 23:30:45    2167788

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Really poor decision by most county delegates from around the country.

They essentially chose money over fairness. I'm not really surprised to be honest, thought this was going to be the outcome after speaking to a delegate in the week. Told me the motion would never pass, I was surprised at the time.

Will those involved at grassroots as club delegates be raising this with their county boards at their county board meeting? In this case delegates and county boards should be held accountable if people are upset."
No one can argue with Dublin fans over this any more as counties had their opportunity. However the sham that is democracy within the GAA has been well & truly exposed. The delegates at Congress are mostly interested in furthering their own GAA career & many don't vote as instructed by their counties, hence the vote against transparency last year or voting as instructed by Croke Park rather than their county decision yesterday. As for clubs sending a message through their delegates to county boards, most of us know from experience it's a role taken by the hard chaws who hammer out deals for favours from the top, so it is all one vicious circle. Some county boards guarantee All Ireland tickets to delegates which helps curry favour for passing votes or turning a blind eye. Sadly the GAA is one of the most nasty, backstabbing organisations out there, democracy is always bandied about but for those who have experienced it, it is the complete opposite. Yesterday was a day that soured many who will now leave the set up, those who made such outrageous statements yesterday are culpable. Embarrassment nationally for ordinary members at the stroking that went on.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 24/02/2019 23:44:58    2167791

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