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GAA Coaching / Game Development Grants By County 2007-2018

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Interesting set of figures.

Leaving Dublin aside, there's a fair gap between funding received and county performance for nos 2, 3 & 4 over the period in question.

It would also be interesting to see the breakdown by player and/or club membership numbers. It's hard to believe that Dublin has more than 10x as many players / members as Cork?

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 193 - 08/02/2019 14:05:37    2163461

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Dublin got €1.3m last year alone. That's more than double what Fermanagh recieved over 10 years.

effin (Fermanagh) - Posts: 39 - 08/02/2019 16:25:47    2163494

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The same old excuse will be given that its divided by population. Cork are the county that has been treated the worst. They have nearly twice as many clubs as Dublin but get a fifth of the funding. Makes alot of sense.

At least the Sunday game daytime and night time shows are run by dubs so some unbiased discussion will be held. GAA president and head of the GPA are also dubs so at least this wont last forever -).

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 08/02/2019 16:55:21    2163502

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https://punditarena.com/features/emackenna/mackenna-on-monday-dublin-financial-advantage-must-be-addressed/

Good article above.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 14/02/2019 23:34:46    2165418

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These are development grants a bit like Department of education grants. So what people are saying here is grants should be on an equal basis by county - No they can't be they simply have to be per player same as educational grants per pupil. The fact Dublin received more than say Leitrim is I would have thought fairly obvious but then this is the GAA we talking about not everyone is operating with the full logical deck. And no its NOT by the amount of clubs either it has to be per player. And what are the development grants for? They are not for massaging Johnny Cooper's legs in a 5 star spa. They will also be dished out by codes so football (and hurling) counties will also fair out worse.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 16/02/2019 19:04:17    2165755

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "The same old excuse will be given that its divided by population. Cork are the county that has been treated the worst. They have nearly twice as many clubs as Dublin but get a fifth of the funding. Makes alot of sense.

At least the Sunday game daytime and night time shows are run by dubs so some unbiased discussion will be held. GAA president and head of the GPA are also dubs so at least this wont last forever -)."
These are development grants. Of course they should be proportionate to the population. So if Leitrim had more clubs than Kerry you'd be in favour of Leitrim receiving more funding than Kerry to develop and promote the game amongst a fraction of the Kerry population? Eh I don't think so but sure any excuse to have a crack at the 4 in a row champs.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 16/02/2019 23:17:32    2165820

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I suppose you can't blame Dublin for taking what they can get but there is a real head in the sand attitude when this topic crops up. The grants Dublin get dwarf any other county whatever way you cut it. Dubs defend this by saying they have a massive pick. When the subject of pick comes up and the massive unfair advantage Dublin have in this regard Dubs will defend it by saying participation rates are low and their pick is actually comparable to other counties. Which is it?

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/02/2019 23:40:58    2165825

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Replying To Joxer:  "These are development grants. Of course they should be proportionate to the population. So if Leitrim had more clubs than Kerry you'd be in favour of Leitrim receiving more funding than Kerry to develop and promote the game amongst a fraction of the Kerry population? Eh I don't think so but sure any excuse to have a crack at the 4 in a row champs."
If your using the excuse of population then for the years between 2010 and 2014 Dublin received 48% of the GAAs entire budget for games development grants. Dublin of course were not to blame for accepting such crazy sums but even the most loyal of Dublin fans have to admit something doesnt seem quite right.

Not to mention money saved by not having to invest in the development of games in Dublin can now be spent on other areas.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 17/02/2019 01:50:18    2165828

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Replying To Joxer:  "These are development grants. Of course they should be proportionate to the population. So if Leitrim had more clubs than Kerry you'd be in favour of Leitrim receiving more funding than Kerry to develop and promote the game amongst a fraction of the Kerry population? Eh I don't think so but sure any excuse to have a crack at the 4 in a row champs."
Hi we're the double 4 In a row champs.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 17/02/2019 02:07:44    2165832

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "The same old excuse will be given that its divided by population. Cork are the county that has been treated the worst. They have nearly twice as many clubs as Dublin but get a fifth of the funding. Makes alot of sense.

At least the Sunday game daytime and night time shows are run by dubs so some unbiased discussion will be held. GAA president and head of the GPA are also dubs so at least this wont last forever -)."
What Dubs run the "daytime & night time shows". Genuinely interested.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 17/02/2019 09:08:27    2165842

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Replying To Joxer:  "These are development grants. Of course they should be proportionate to the population. So if Leitrim had more clubs than Kerry you'd be in favour of Leitrim receiving more funding than Kerry to develop and promote the game amongst a fraction of the Kerry population? Eh I don't think so but sure any excuse to have a crack at the 4 in a row champs."
The point is they are not proportionate. Why can't most Dubs like yourselves not acknowledge this fact?

15 times higher then cork yet your population is 1.3m and corks is 0.5m. There's absolutely nothing fair about these grants under any metric. Then you use the excuse of competing with soccer and Rugby. Well by that logic Belfast, Cork, Galway, Limerick, Derry and any of the big towns in Wicklow, Meath, Louth and Kildare should be getting huge funding also.

I'm looking forward to the day when Dublin posters acknowledge the imbalance. You want other counties to pull their socks up and make Leinster competitive again yet you are happy with funding staying the same.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 17/02/2019 13:55:38    2165864

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "The point is they are not proportionate. Why can't most Dubs like yourselves not acknowledge this fact?

15 times higher then cork yet your population is 1.3m and corks is 0.5m. There's absolutely nothing fair about these grants under any metric. Then you use the excuse of competing with soccer and Rugby. Well by that logic Belfast, Cork, Galway, Limerick, Derry and any of the big towns in Wicklow, Meath, Louth and Kildare should be getting huge funding also.

I'm looking forward to the day when Dublin posters acknowledge the imbalance. You want other counties to pull their socks up and make Leinster competitive again yet you are happy with funding staying the same."
Spot on, Ewan Mc Kenna & other journalists have shown that whatever measure you go by statistically, this is totally inequitable. It's hard for the Dubs on here to admit it when you have John Horan the Uachtaran, Tom Ryan the Ard Stiurothoir & Ger Mulryan the chief financial officer all coming out defending it last year & this year. I blame the gutless delegates at Congress from all the other counties for not challenging the GAA on this & giving them an ultimatum, the delegates are too busy enhancing their own GAA ambitions politically & brown nosing, rather than fighting their counties cause.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 17/02/2019 17:30:59    2165906

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Hi we're the double 4 In a row champs."
How many games did Kerry play to win those 4 in a rows? I'd say Dublin played more championship games in 2018 then Kerry did to win one of those 4 in a rows. They once won an AI after playing 3 matches, one being the final of a hurling province. Imagine that!!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/02/2019 18:04:30    2165914

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "The point is they are not proportionate. Why can't most Dubs like yourselves not acknowledge this fact?

15 times higher then cork yet your population is 1.3m and corks is 0.5m. There's absolutely nothing fair about these grants under any metric. Then you use the excuse of competing with soccer and Rugby. Well by that logic Belfast, Cork, Galway, Limerick, Derry and any of the big towns in Wicklow, Meath, Louth and Kildare should be getting huge funding also.

I'm looking forward to the day when Dublin posters acknowledge the imbalance. You want other counties to pull their socks up and make Leinster competitive again yet you are happy with funding staying the same."
But do you think development grants, used to promote and develop the games in the target counties amongst the inhabitants of those counties should be distributed based on population? If so then for example Kerry received €1.30 per head and Dublin received €1.03 in 2017. I would have no problem with funding changing by the way but if people think that funding = Sams then they'd better get their heads out of the clouds. The Dublin hurlers are as far away from winning Liam as ever, the minor footballers are struggling and the senior panel appears to be waning. Meanwhile the paupers, as they lead us all to believe they are, in Kerry, are lording it at all levels in football and the green juggernaut rolls on at senior level too. They are obviously putting that development fund per head of pooulation advantage to good use. Fair play to them.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 17/02/2019 18:24:20    2165918

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It's funny, people give out about dublin gettin so much money and the dubs come back with the size of population, but when people say about dublin winnig because of population then the dubs come back with population has nothing to do with it!!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 17/02/2019 18:44:24    2165926

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Replying To achara:  "It's funny, people give out about dublin gettin so much money and the dubs come back with the size of population, but when people say about dublin winnig because of population then the dubs come back with population has nothing to do with it!!"
By the parameters you mention Monaghan are financially advantaged.

Population of Monaghan 60.483, GDF 124.000, 2.05 a head per person.

Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head.

*Before Monaghans provincials grant.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 17/02/2019 19:15:55    2165940

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Replying To TheUsername:  "By the parameters you mention Monaghan are financially advantaged.

Population of Monaghan 60.483, GDF 124.000, 2.05 a head per person.

Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head.

*Before Monaghans provincials grant."
Will somebody not have mercy on those poor underfunded overlooked Dubs .....and Monaghan don't be so greedy

KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 334 - 17/02/2019 19:43:35    2165950

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Replying To TheUsername:  "By the parameters you mention Monaghan are financially advantaged.

Population of Monaghan 60.483, GDF 124.000, 2.05 a head per person.

Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head.

*Before Monaghans provincials grant."
I didn't say if monaghan are advantaged or disadvantaged!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 561 - 17/02/2019 19:46:47    2165951

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Replying To TheUsername:  "By the parameters you mention Monaghan are financially advantaged.

Population of Monaghan 60.483, GDF 124.000, 2.05 a head per person.

Dublin GDF 1.3 mill, population 1.34 mill, ratio = 97 cent per head.

*Before Monaghans provincials grant."
Do you type that with a straight face ??

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 17/02/2019 20:05:04    2165961

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Replying To Joxer:  "But do you think development grants, used to promote and develop the games in the target counties amongst the inhabitants of those counties should be distributed based on population? If so then for example Kerry received €1.30 per head and Dublin received €1.03 in 2017. I would have no problem with funding changing by the way but if people think that funding = Sams then they'd better get their heads out of the clouds. The Dublin hurlers are as far away from winning Liam as ever, the minor footballers are struggling and the senior panel appears to be waning. Meanwhile the paupers, as they lead us all to believe they are, in Kerry, are lording it at all levels in football and the green juggernaut rolls on at senior level too. They are obviously putting that development fund per head of pooulation advantage to good use. Fair play to them."
Yes I absolutely want funding changed and now I don't believe it equals Sam's. But increasing funding for other counties instead of Dublin over time will Inevitably lead to other counties narrowing the gap. Maybe a team would beat Dublin in leinster once every 5 years instead of the current trend that's looking like 1 in 20 years.

And that thing about Dublin hurlers is absolute BS. Dublin hurling has received massive funding over the ears and it's definitely working. You are very competitive and I believe you will make an all Ireland in the next 10 years. Without 20 years of funding in Dublin hurling I believe you'd get nowhere near. And it's great to see. Obviously I don't want your hurling to keep getting such funds if you ever become the strongest team but I've no problem them using it to get you to the top. If only they wanted counties like Meath or Kildare to get to the top in football but alas they seem happy with a 1 team province.

@the other poster. Well said. The 31 other counties are gutless by not standing up and spreading the funds out more. They certainly don't represent the people who support their counties.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 17/02/2019 20:16:11    2165963

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