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I hope we have a good game of football next Saturday evening I doubt it's in Kerry's interest to turn it in to a fight as Dublin will be a lot more physical.

I know it's only banter but Dubs absolutely ran over a very young Kerry team last year in Croker how they kept 15 on the pitch I'll never know. It was the opposite the previous year in Tralee and to a lesser extent in the final. There are no angels on either side it is fair to say.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 996 - 07/02/2019 22:26:27    2163347

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Replying To realdub:  "Yeh the Kerry lads were a little over exuberant last time we were down but hopefully the ref won't be intimidated by the partisan Tralee crowd and we get a fair crack of the whip!"
Surely you're not asking for a whipping?????

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1423 - 07/02/2019 22:50:41    2163353

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Replying To TheUsername:  "For a home game in Tralee 2/1 against a bare bones Dublin team 3 weeks into training, all over that.

Win/win"
9/4

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 341 - 08/02/2019 07:31:52    2163374

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I hope we have a good game of football next Saturday evening I doubt it's in Kerry's interest to turn it in to a fight as Dublin will be a lot more physical.

I know it's only banter but Dubs absolutely ran over a very young Kerry team last year in Croker how they kept 15 on the pitch I'll never know. It was the opposite the previous year in Tralee and to a lesser extent in the final. There are no angels on either side it is fair to say."
That was also a very young Dubs team last year Gerry

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18904 - 08/02/2019 09:00:41    2163382

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I hope we have a good game of football next Saturday evening I doubt it's in Kerry's interest to turn it in to a fight as Dublin will be a lot more physical.

I know it's only banter but Dubs absolutely ran over a very young Kerry team last year in Croker how they kept 15 on the pitch I'll never know. It was the opposite the previous year in Tralee and to a lesser extent in the final. There are no angels on either side it is fair to say."
I was at both games Gerry i dont remember either being particularly of bad malice, blood and thunder and you knew you were in a game certainly, but i didn't see intent to hurt people or players in particular on either side as some insinuate. Not sure that narrative is healthy in particular but each to their own. As usual with these things there is a bit of drama, pride, hyperbole and playing the victim on each side, when in truth both give as good as they get.

Hoping for a good game and looking forward to the visit. Our record down there isnt great, so two points will be bonus, a draw a good result and a marginal loss wouldn't be a surprise. Wont be much in it either way.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2040 - 08/02/2019 09:17:37    2163391

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For the first time in a long while I am not overly confident of Dublin football team winning.
Kerry seem to be flying and Dublin have not fully woken up from thier hibernation state.
In my head this is a modern lite version of the 75 all-ireland Kerry young guns v the battle hardened Dubs.
I hope the result is different obviously.
Dublin don't want to be given these young Kerry footballers any notions then they already have, - Kerry footballers are born with notions.

Not only do I want a win for Dublin I want a win where it firmly puts Kerry in thier place and keep those notions in check a bit. Go to thier backyard and show them who are the top dogs.
I think it is important that Dublin win it.

Hopefully it is a decent game of football.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 959 - 08/02/2019 12:00:18    2163427

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This game may be a couple to soon for Dermo.

Apologies to those who already bought tickets.

;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2040 - 08/02/2019 12:05:54    2163428

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I was at both games Gerry i dont remember either being particularly of bad malice, blood and thunder and you knew you were in a game certainly, but i didn't see intent to hurt people or players in particular on either side as some insinuate. Not sure that narrative is healthy in particular but each to their own. As usual with these things there is a bit of drama, pride, hyperbole and playing the victim on each side, when in truth both give as good as they get.

Hoping for a good game and looking forward to the visit. Our record down there isnt great, so two points will be bonus, a draw a good result and a marginal loss wouldn't be a surprise. Wont be much in it either way."
@Jimbo a lot of the Dublin stalwarts like Cooper, small, MDM, Kilkenny and Andrews played that night and made sure the Kerry lads knew they were in a game. No leg breaking tackles or anything but lots of heavy shoulders, off the ball belting and general nastiness so some of the holier than thou stuff on the thread is pure baloney. This has been part and parcel of Dublin's success with the closing minutes of the 2017 final v Mayo probably the best example where Dubs made it look more like WWE than Gaelic Football. I think Kerry will be a lot more streetwise and able for it at this stage. I do agree with Username above it's overblown and not going to be a big factor either way, the back and forth here is entertaining though.

I think Kerry will be quite conservative on Saturday and look to contain Dublin initially and not give anything away. PK is very clear on his aim to steady the ship at the back and I think he will use the league to try to do this before being a bit more adventurous later in the year.

We'll have to come out and play Saturday at some stage but I don't see where the scores will come from with so many missing. Sean O'Shea has been unreal the first two games but this will be his third game in a week, he may not even start and if he does I expect Dublin will limit him from play. Geaney hasn't been himself for 18 months now and I can't see anything more than 2-3 points from him. We haven't looked like scoring goals and we will need at least one if not two tomorrow.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 996 - 08/02/2019 12:16:18    2163430

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Replying To TheUsername:  "This game may be a couple to soon for Dermo.

Apologies to those who already bought tickets.

;)"
Ahh damn it

Connolly coming back..

Sure that's not useful whatsoever

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18904 - 08/02/2019 12:34:42    2163437

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "@Jimbo a lot of the Dublin stalwarts like Cooper, small, MDM, Kilkenny and Andrews played that night and made sure the Kerry lads knew they were in a game. No leg breaking tackles or anything but lots of heavy shoulders, off the ball belting and general nastiness so some of the holier than thou stuff on the thread is pure baloney. This has been part and parcel of Dublin's success with the closing minutes of the 2017 final v Mayo probably the best example where Dubs made it look more like WWE than Gaelic Football. I think Kerry will be a lot more streetwise and able for it at this stage. I do agree with Username above it's overblown and not going to be a big factor either way, the back and forth here is entertaining though.

I think Kerry will be quite conservative on Saturday and look to contain Dublin initially and not give anything away. PK is very clear on his aim to steady the ship at the back and I think he will use the league to try to do this before being a bit more adventurous later in the year.

We'll have to come out and play Saturday at some stage but I don't see where the scores will come from with so many missing. Sean O'Shea has been unreal the first two games but this will be his third game in a week, he may not even start and if he does I expect Dublin will limit him from play. Geaney hasn't been himself for 18 months now and I can't see anything more than 2-3 points from him. We haven't looked like scoring goals and we will need at least one if not two tomorrow."
Oh right

... and Kerry played 18 Rookies on the night yeah?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18904 - 08/02/2019 14:01:19    2163459

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Oh right

... and Kerry played 18 Rookies on the night yeah?"
I know Crowley and Geaney played but after that everyone was in their first or second season iirc. It was a particularly young team. Doesn't matter anyway, I've no great issue with the game or result.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 996 - 08/02/2019 15:37:36    2163485

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Kevin McCarthy will be playing in the allireland intermediate final on Saturday so he won't manage the 2 games I'm afraid.

Will dermo Escobar be playing? Or is he going back to the USA ?"
Best of luck to Kevin and all the kilcumin team in the all Ireland final tomorrow .
I heard kev will be playing with a broken hand. He is some club man kB.

Themall1916 (Kerry) - Posts: 10 - 08/02/2019 17:38:07    2163511

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I know Crowley and Geaney played but after that everyone was in their first or second season iirc. It was a particularly young team. Doesn't matter anyway, I've no great issue with the game or result."
Looks a bit of an even mix of youngsters and expierence from both sides to be honest Gerry.

Dublin: S Cluxton; S Carthy, J Cooper 0-01, D Byrne, E Lowndes; S Carthy, C O'Sullivan, J Small; B Fenton, MD Macauley; N Scully 1-01, C Kilkenny 1-03, B Howard; P Andrews 0-03, D Rock 0-04 (2f), C Basquel 0-02.

Subs: P Small 0-01 for S Carthy (31), P McMahon 0-01 for J Small (black card, HT), C Reddin for P Small (50, blood), P Small for D Rock (59), A McGowan for C O'Sullivan (64, inj), C Costello 0-01 for C Kilkenny (68), E Ó Conghaile for B Fenton (68).

Kerry: S Murphy, S Enright, J Foley, R Shanahan, P Murphy, P Crowley, B Ó Beaglaoich, J Barry, B O'Sullivan, M Burns 0-02, S O'Shea 0-01, A Spillane, D Clifford 0-04 (0-02f), P Geaney 0-01, K McCarthy 0-02.

Subs: É Ó Conchúir for B O'Sullivan (black card, 34 mins), BJ Keane for P Geaney (inj, HT), M Geaney 0-01 for S O'Shea (inj, HT), F Fitzgerald for K McCarthy (49), D Casey for M Burns (64

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2040 - 08/02/2019 19:13:10    2163526

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Looks a bit of an even mix of youngsters and expierence from both sides to be honest Gerry.

Dublin: S Cluxton; S Carthy, J Cooper 0-01, D Byrne, E Lowndes; S Carthy, C O'Sullivan, J Small; B Fenton, MD Macauley; N Scully 1-01, C Kilkenny 1-03, B Howard; P Andrews 0-03, D Rock 0-04 (2f), C Basquel 0-02.

Subs: P Small 0-01 for S Carthy (31), P McMahon 0-01 for J Small (black card, HT), C Reddin for P Small (50, blood), P Small for D Rock (59), A McGowan for C O'Sullivan (64, inj), C Costello 0-01 for C Kilkenny (68), E Ó Conghaile for B Fenton (68).

Kerry: S Murphy, S Enright, J Foley, R Shanahan, P Murphy, P Crowley, B Ó Beaglaoich, J Barry, B O'Sullivan, M Burns 0-02, S O'Shea 0-01, A Spillane, D Clifford 0-04 (0-02f), P Geaney 0-01, K McCarthy 0-02.

Subs: É Ó Conchúir for B O'Sullivan (black card, 34 mins), BJ Keane for P Geaney (inj, HT), M Geaney 0-01 for S O'Shea (inj, HT), F Fitzgerald for K McCarthy (49), D Casey for M Burns (64"
Not to be splitting heirs but I count 11 Kerry players in debut or second season at that stage afaik. It was a very young and inexperienced team. There is a lot more physicality in that Dublin lineup but I take your point it was hardly a full strength Dublin side either.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 996 - 08/02/2019 19:56:26    2163532

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Not to be splitting heirs but I count 11 Kerry players in debut or second season at that stage afaik. It was a very young and inexperienced team. There is a lot more physicality in that Dublin lineup but I take your point it was hardly a full strength Dublin side either."
I wouldn't have that knowledge on Kerry to be honest with you Gerry, so I wouldn't correct you.

Just looked a good few war horses in there, you would think would stand up to a battle, particularly when you consider the result in the final the year before and winning particularly winning the physical battle the year before.

Maybe a more interesting comparison would be to see the difference in the 2017 and 2018. I thought the 2017 league winning team was very young as well. I wonder how many of the 2018 team won the league the year before, that's a fair bit of expierence even going into a second season.

I genuinely don't know incidendly.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2040 - 08/02/2019 20:22:17    2163542

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Looks a bit of an even mix of youngsters and expierence from both sides to be honest Gerry.

Dublin: S Cluxton; S Carthy, J Cooper 0-01, D Byrne, E Lowndes; S Carthy, C O'Sullivan, J Small; B Fenton, MD Macauley; N Scully 1-01, C Kilkenny 1-03, B Howard; P Andrews 0-03, D Rock 0-04 (2f), C Basquel 0-02.

Subs: P Small 0-01 for S Carthy (31), P McMahon 0-01 for J Small (black card, HT), C Reddin for P Small (50, blood), P Small for D Rock (59), A McGowan for C O'Sullivan (64, inj), C Costello 0-01 for C Kilkenny (68), E Ó Conghaile for B Fenton (68).

Kerry: S Murphy, S Enright, J Foley, R Shanahan, P Murphy, P Crowley, B Ó Beaglaoich, J Barry, B O'Sullivan, M Burns 0-02, S O'Shea 0-01, A Spillane, D Clifford 0-04 (0-02f), P Geaney 0-01, K McCarthy 0-02.

Subs: É Ó Conchúir for B O'Sullivan (black card, 34 mins), BJ Keane for P Geaney (inj, HT), M Geaney 0-01 for S O'Shea (inj, HT), F Fitzgerald for K McCarthy (49), D Casey for M Burns (64"
P Geaney (inj, HT), S O'Shea (inj, HT) hmmm that's strange what could they be doing coming off injured...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 4244 - 08/02/2019 20:25:27    2163543

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Replying To TheHermit:  "P Geaney (inj, HT), S O'Shea (inj, HT) hmmm that's strange what could they be doing coming off injured..."
Light weights?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18904 - 08/02/2019 20:32:39    2163547

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Kerry team:

1 (GK)
Shane Ryan Seán Ó Riain Rathmore
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Peter Crowley Peadar Ó Cruadhlaoich Laune Rangers
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Jack Sherwood Jeaic Sherwood Firies
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Brian Ó Beaglaíoch Briain Ó Beaglaíoch An Ghaeltacht
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Tadhg Morley Tadhg Ó Muraile Templenoe
6
Paul Murphy Pól Ó Murchú Rathmore
7
Tom O'Sullivan Tomás Ó Súilleabháin Dingle
8
Jack Barry Jeaic de Barra Na Gaeil
9
Adrian Spillane Aidrian Ó Spealáin Templenoe
10
Diarmuid O'Connor Diarmuid Ó Conchúir Na Gaeil
11
Sean O'Shea Seán Ó Sé Kenmare
12
Dara Moynihan Dara Ó Muineacháin Spa Killarney
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Paul Geaney Pól Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle
14
David Moran Dáithí Ó Moráin Kerins O'Rahillys
15
Stephen O'Brien Stiofán Ó Briain Kenmare
16 (GK)
Brian Kelly Brian Ó Ceallaigh Killarney Legion
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Jonathan Lyne Ionatán Ó Leighin Killarney Legion
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Michael Geaney Micheál Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle
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Gavin Crowley Gabhin Ó Crualaidh Templenoe
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Gavin O'Brien Gabhin Ó Briain Kerins O'Rahillys
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Tommy Walsh Tomás Breathnach Kerins O'Rahillys
22
Mark Griffin Marc Ó Grifín St Michaels/Foilmore
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Jason Foley Iasún Ó Foghlú Ballydonoghue
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Tomás Ó Sé Tomás Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
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Shane Enright Sean Mac Ionrachtaigh Tarbert
26
Conor Geaney Conchúir Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 4244 - 08/02/2019 20:36:41    2163550

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I know Crowley and Geaney played but after that everyone was in their first or second season iirc. It was a particularly young team. Doesn't matter anyway, I've no great issue with the game or result."
I took great issue from it

Was it 11 or 12pts again?

I remember an awful lot of Kerry supporters on here that took plenty of issue with it at the time

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18904 - 08/02/2019 20:38:49    2163551

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Not to be splitting heirs but I count 11 Kerry players in debut or second season at that stage afaik. It was a very young and inexperienced team. There is a lot more physicality in that Dublin lineup but I take your point it was hardly a full strength Dublin side either."
That was actually my point. I believed I raised it first

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18904 - 08/02/2019 20:40:19    2163552

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